[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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I agree with Rey growing a bit too fast. But I think it's indicative of the movie's rapid pace than it being an issue with her character. I think Fin shed his Stormtropper ways too quickly as well. And the attachment they had to Han Solo when they just met the guy. Chewbacca reacting the way he did made sense but it seemed like Rey and Fin were upset on the audience's behalf.
 
Discotheque said:
yeah it's kind of stupid too when you see how obi-wan dropped the kids off with responsible guardians at the end of episode 3 AND he would be in contact with luke as well ("I know a Ben Kenobi")

here rey's dropped off by luke to scavenge for her food lol, like father like son I suppose. i already think Luke is a wasteman after the events of force awakens, they don't need to do this to sully his rep even more.
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Well, like I said, it makes sense why Luke was hidden away from Darth Fucking Vader.

What's the reason for keeping Ray and Luke separated when Luke is also successfully in hiding? Isn't she safer, perhaps even more hidden, with Luke on his unfindable island than in a place where she's likely to starve or be homeless or be killed by some gang? She was left as a fucking 5 year old.
 
Instead of being a result of the immaculate conception through Shmi and Plagueis/Sheev, Rey is just literally the manifestation of the force as controlled by Luke. If you wanna go with all these Mary Sue claims, go all the damn way with it. Hope we see her riding some rancors during her battle against the Knights of Ren.
 
Branduil said:
I find Rey being Luke's daughter more and more implausible, especially when she says stuff like "Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a myth."
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My guess is that she is Luke's daughter, but he didn't know he actually had a daughter. Some fling relationship with someone he left before the baby was born or he even knew the lady he was with was with child.

Starsailor said:
I think Rey was one of Luke apprentice before Knights of Ren kill them all. That's why she remember Kylo and his friends during her nightmare
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Or that, and they somehow wiped her memories.
 
Lynd7 said:
Its all about making it seem more plausible. Luke had been informed about the force and even had some basic instruction from Obi Wan, he also saw Obi Wan using it throughout the film. He then only uses it to feel the shot, its not like he started pulling and pushing things around with the force, or using the mind trick.

Then in ESB he struggles to pull the lightsaber from the snow and then spends the middle part of the film training with Yoda, it seems more believable.

If this film had been the first it wouldn't have mattered if she quickly became competent, its just we have established in the previous trilogy its not super easy.

This could be explained in the next film however, as Rey may of been previously instructed but has forgotten somehow.
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The way I interpreted it when I saw it was that she was very familiar with Jedi "legends" she'd heard growing up (they keep bringing up that at this point the heroics of Luke Skywalker and Han Solo et al. have become famous to the point of myth) and thus was already familiar with Force power capabilities from the stories, even if she'd never trained in using them herself (or thought they were real). So once she realizes she's attuned to the Force, she "flexes" her powers to see if she's capable of using Force abilities she's heard of.

Compare this to Luke, who'd never heard of the Force growing up and wouldn't know what abilities were available to him, and even though he goes through training, seems to learn a lot just by watching other people like Yoda and copying them with "innate" talent and general instruction rather than learning specific techniques.
 
Starsailor said:
what if...she's Shmi Skywalker ? At the end of episode 9 she will travel through time and take this name back to before episode 1...

SW will be a circle
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And these are actually prequels from an alternate timeline a la Star Trek 09?



Well fuck me
 
Zefah said:
My guess is that she is Luke's daughter, but he didn't know he actually had a daughter. Some fling relationship with someone he left before the baby was born or he even knew the lady he was with was with child.



Or that, and they somehow wiped her memories.
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these two are the most plausible situations considering the info we've been given in the movie.
 
Rey is probably Anakin Skywalker reincarnated through the Force.
This explains why Rey looks like Shmi Skywalker, and why she has the same kind of crazy visions Annakin had. Maybe?
 
Starsailor said:
I don't understand how stormtrooper can now have weapons to counter lightsaber... because if they have it , that's mean that Snoke is afraid of Jedis...and more than Luke.
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According to the opening crawl, the main goal of the First Order is to kill Luke Skywalker.

So equipping their troops to fight Luke Skywalker makes sense. Especially since the electric baton thingy worked just fine as a general melee weapon.
 
There's nothing wrong with having a "Mary Sue" character on its own, ie, that person that's just really good at everything.

I kind of had that vibe with Han Solo too, especially in the 2nd film. He really took control of the gang and handled all their problems like they were nothing. I actually thought Rey would be the "Han Solo" of the new Star Wars films.

The one issue with Rey being so damn good at everything is her being the one to train under Luke. There are zero stakes to the training, she already seems way better than Luke was in the first 2 movies, why should I care if she gets better or not? We saw what a mook Luke was in the first film (despite being an ace pilot, he still seemed like he needed a lot of saving), so Yoda training him was a big deal. I just wish they didn't make a "Luke's child" character for the sequels. I think they should have went in their own direction with the characters honestly.

Anyways, here's an interest article on the topic (although I'm sure it's already been posted though).
 
shingi70 said:
But he did, he trained with Both Luke and Snoke and was powerful enough to destroy a Jedi Temple.
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He abandoned Luke's training way before he got anywhere to becoming a Jedi. He didn't destroy a Jedi temple either. He destroyed fucking padawans and needed the help of 6 allies to do so (the other Knights of Ren).

And Snoke doesn't seem to be a fighter. He is still very mysterious but all they said was he is "very wise". He taught him philosophical stuff but that's probably it. He clearly didn't even teach how to make a proper lightsaber.
 
Rogue One is confirmed to have Vader in it right

I want VIII so bad and it aint VIII so bad that they'll just have to do that
 
Maybe Rey is a sleeper cell, created in a lab by The First Order to infiltrate the Republic to eventually find, and kill Luke Slywalker.
 
KingSnake said:
Aren't they already in Episode VII. I only saw it once, but I remember some talk about it.
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Nope. They are not mentioned. And they won't be mentioned again in the entire trilogy. Those things were a bullshit way by the Jedi Council to try and measure a person's potential in the Force. The Jedi Council is gone and their scientific methods died with them.

Stuff like that is not needed anymore.
 
Discotheque said:
yeah it's kind of stupid too when you see how obi-wan dropped the kids off with responsible guardians at the end of episode 3 AND he would be in contact with luke as well ("I know a Ben Kenobi")

here rey's dropped off by luke to scavenge for her food lol, like father like son I suppose. i already think Luke is a wasteman after the events of force awakens, they don't need to do this to sully his rep even more.
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MetalFearSolid said:
Man if Luke actually abandoned his daughter on a planet like Jakku, how the fuck are you considered a Jedi?
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It's why I'm hoping she really isn't his daughter and their encounter on the island is Luke's first meeting with her, but who am I kidding?
 
What if Rey is the child of an ancient Jedi/Sith that was "frozen" and locked in a temple. She's actually 1,000 of years old.

Luke is on a quest and stumbles upon her (or finds her intentionally) and collides with the Knights of Ren who are also searching for her for Snoke. They fight and kill all of Luke's gang and intend to capture Rey but some shit goes down and Luke escapes with her.

He puts her in hiding because whatever she is, he doesn't totally understand and needs to discover what it is first. He places her somewhere difficult to find and then leaves to figure out what she is/is capable of and how to guide her. Boom she shows up.

She has no memories because she's ancient and been sealed away, her parents left her 1,000 of years ago.
 
So we've gone from "Rey is definitely Luke's" to "What if she's actually Shmi and will be sent back to the past, pregnant with Anakin!".

What if she's an anomaly in the Force. Luke is Morpheus, Maz is the Oracle, Finn is Trinity and Kylo can be Agent Smith.
 
the_log_ride said:
I want a Rey game that deals with scavenging on Jakku, and trying to acquire ALL the portions.
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Xenoblade Chronicles X, Oblivia continent. :P

MetalFearSolid said:
Man if Luke actually abandoned his daughter on a planet like Jakku, how the fuck are you considered a Jedi?

I rather she not be related to any of them.
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It seems that being brave and being a good father is not a must for a Jedi.*

*according to the new rules imposed by himself.
 
I'd like to think Rey's "family" (which doesn't contain Luke) abandons her because they learn some awful truth about her origin. Luke Skywalker wants her to think she's his daughter to protect her from the same truth. The twist, "You are NOT my father." It's lame, I know.
 
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