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[rhino4evr]

I don't get why gaf is so hung up on the Kylo / Rey fight.

Rey is shown early on that she is very capable with a bo stick. She is obviously very strong. The force awakened within her and she was able to use these powers. She's powered by her own anger and reacts to being cornered.

So wether Kylo was injured or not you can still make an argument that she is a cunninging fighter when pushed to the limit.

And the real reason? It made the battle a lot of fun to watch.

 

[Toparaman]

In my opinion that thing you describe as a Marvel movie vibe, is present in the Original Trilogy, in spades. Not saying you have to like it, but it's always been there until the prequels with their funereal tone.

I agree that the Star Wars OT had plenty of jokey moments, but they were kept pretty distinct from the dramatic moments. There are parts of TFA that are played seriously at first, only to be undercut by a joke. It's not a big deal because at the end of the day it's a big dumb space movie, but the OT at least gave you the illusion that it could be taken seriously. And prior to the special editions or the prequels, there were people who indeed looked at the OT as a work on par with the Lord of the Rings novels, and Lucas as an auteur on par with Tolkien. While TFA is thankfully more serious than Guardians of the Galaxy, for example, there are a few moments that get undercut because of lame wink-and-nods that aren't particularly funny or clever. These moments get audience chuckles because they're broad comedy, but I don't think those moments will play too well outside of the theater.

In any case, I'm not saying it's a major downside of the film, but those moments certainly stuck out to me as being kind of "Reddit humor".

 

[The Flash]

 

[diaspora]

Ok, even at those standards it's average at best. Remove all the star wars stuff, make believe it's another sci-fli flick and this movie doesn't register a bleep.

If you want good storytelling play KOTOR. If you want to watch cool fights with people using laser swords, telekinesis, and space ships then you've got the films.

 

[FloydtheFathead]

Yup, I would let Kylo and Bane read me the Harry Potter series.

Does Kylo have the mask on while they read?

 

[Toxi]

all the new actors were poorly selected though, i guess the lead girl was decent but that's it. Isaac was barely in the damn movie so i can't even comment on him.

Curious on why you think John Boyega and Adam Driver were poor casting decisions.

 

[RoKKeR]

Saw it again, loved it just as much the second time. I tried to nitpick but outside of the story familiarity there wasn't much for me to target.

Picked up on a really nice lighting touch during the Han and Ren scene. When Ren is acting "conflicted" the right side of his face is lit red, the other side blue. After the Death Star 2 finishes charging the sun goes out completely, the lighting changes to be completely red inside, and then Ren kills Han.

Seeing it the second time around highlights the little things. I am so excited to see where they take things next, and believe this was a perfect, albeit setup to launch the franchise into a new era.

What is the ETA on digital release?

 

[The Flash]

Is it just me or does Rey's Theme sound Christmasie?

What is the ETA on digital release?

Probably not for another couple of months. It's available to preorder on itunes I believe.

 

[Already Torn]

That's my favorite too

 

[Red Blaster]

Ok, even at those standards it's average at best. Remove all the star wars stuff, make believe it's another sci-fli flick and this movie doesn't register a bleep.

if you remove the one thing that makes it popular then it wouldnt be popular anymore

gee columbo i think you might be on to something

 

[Interfectum]

I like how you assume I didn't pay attention. Yes. It was very obvious he was physically wounded but he was able to make it further in the forest before them, do some sweet spins, swing with his upper body, etc. We get it. He was hurt. Don't beat the drum thinking every one who disagrees with you is stupid, you're just making your position look childish.

Adrenaline runs out. He was doing decent until Rey's "awakening" which most likely sapped what energy he had left. The entire thing is telegraphed I'm not sure what else you need here.

 

[Zyae]

I like how you assume I didn't pay attention. Yes. It was very obvious he was physically wounded but he was able to make it further in the forest before them, do some sweet spins, swing with his upper body, etc. We get it. He was hurt. Don't beat the drum thinking every one who disagrees with you is stupid, you're just making your position look childish.

Because your position is inane.

 

[SwolBro]

Bro you might want to check with your dealer. You got a bad cycle of roids this time. Dun screwed up your head

You're right, i should have walked out when emo Kylo Ren was talking to Darth Vaders fucking mask? face? something Kylo made in pottery class when he was a rebellious teenager? the more i think about it the worse this movie gets.

i'm done here.

 

[BlackGhost]

Does Kylo have the mask on while they read?

Yes, most definitely.

 

[Syf]

if you remove the one thing that makes it popular then it wouldnt be popular anymore

gee columbo i think you might be on to something

lol

 

[Starsailor]

Is it just me or does Rey's Theme sound Christmasie?

Rey theme is absolutely fantastic especially during credits music

 

[PopeReal]

Ok, even at those standards it's average at best. Remove all the star wars stuff, make believe it's another sci-fi flick and this movie doesn't register a bleep.

Another one of my pet peeves.... "remove the Star Wars stuff" argument.

 

[minimumhippo]

Ok, even at those standards it's average at best. Remove all the star wars stuff, make believe it's another sci-fli flick and this movie doesn't register a bleep.

I feel like this is the most pointless criticism of anything. "remove everything that makes this franchise what it is and it wouldn't be what it is!"

Yes, Star Wars is Star Wars BECAUSE of this stuff. The lore, the lightsaber battles, the music, the dogfights, everything is very much Star Wars, and people love it because of that. It's why these movies remain popular even after some horrible entries.

It's obviously something that audiences like and what has kept them enthralled for 40 years.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

You know, it'd be neat if Kylo manages to get his hands on Anakin's/Luke's original blue lightsaber, and Rey then uses Vader's saber to battle him.

Cause red lightsabers are always cooler.

 

[GhaleonEB]

When he spins and swings his sword it does. A person shot in the gut doesn't do that. You can chop it up to force but then the fight is even more confusing.

He's limping and lurching through the entire fight, from the time he meets Rey and Finn - leaning way over, bleeding on the snow, to the fights themselves, where he's staggering back and forth. He's wounded but still very formidable.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

So you have never heard of real life human beings doing extraordinary things while injured?

Adrenaline ., how does it work?

Sort of. I also know angry fighters tend to be sloppy fighters. :/ This sort of game goes in circles. I see a hurt person (shot on the side of the belly) doing spins and lots of moves that require the core which kind of goes against the idea that he lost because he was hurt. The visuals showed very little during the action that he was hurt but his loss is blamed on the fact he was hurt.

He's limping and lurching through the entire fight, from the time he meets Rey and Finn - leaning way over, bleeding on the snow, to the fights themselves, where he's staggering back and forth. He's wounded but still very formidable.

Which then enters spins and performing physically well, and zooming ahead of them in the forest. It's not consistent so I can't see him losing other than the story needing him to lose even though, while injured, he could chop both Finn and Rey up. His feats in the movie are pretty big.

 

[SamuelSupreme]

Saw it a second time and man. There are so many callbacks and story beats that were used again but it all felt like some great homage. I feel as if Abrams was kind of forced to play it safe just to get the trust of the fanbase. Amazing movie, Im glad Disney got a hold of the rights and Lucas can't toy with it any further.

 

[Armaros]

I feel like this is the most pointless criticism of anything. "remove everything that makes this franchise what it is and it wouldn't be what it is!"

Yes, Star Wars is Star Wars BECAUSE of this stuff. The lore, the lightsaber battles, the music, the dogfights, everything is very much Star Wars, and people love it because of that. It's why these movies remain popular even after some horrible entries.

If you remove all the Star Trek out of the Tv series, Star Trek is just boring science fiction with no action.

 

[TheOctodad]

salsa nitpicking #8743

shoulda given Han Solo a funeral scene

short one even

moment was handled well but was so fleeting you didnt even quite react at the weight of it till you were out the theatre and thought "oh freakin HAN SOLO just died"

they do funerals all the time

I can see Episode 8 opening with a funeral...

 

[The Flash]

Cause red lightsabers are always cooler.

Damn right

 

[Christopher]

You know, it'd be neat if Kylo manages to get his hands on Anakin's/Luke's original blue lightsaber, and Rey then uses Vader's saber to battle him.

Cause red lightsabers are always cooler.

No

 

[Pinko Marx]

👻👻💀💀👻👻💀

 

[sphagnum]

You know, it'd be neat if Kylo manages to get his hands on Anakin's/Luke's original blue lightsaber, and Rey then uses Vader's saber to battle him.

Cause red lightsabers are always cooler.

Would've been destroyed in the Death Star II explosion.

 

[SwolBro]

Another one of my pet peeves.... "remove the Star Wars stuff" argument.

that's how you tell if all the other elements can hold their own. hint: they can't.

 

[Toxi]

i dunno, and then a stormtrooper that decides to switch sides amazingly quickly because he was seeing people getting killed senselessly but then has no gripes about shooting a fuck ton of stormtroopers while being instantly trusted by everyone he was previously supposed to kill???? What????

Finn decided to switch sides because his squad was ordered to murder unarmed civilians.

Do you not understand the difference between that and killing soldiers shooting at you in the heat of battle? Because it's kinda an important difference.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Would've been destroyed in the Death Star II explosion.

If Luke's lightsaber survived to get handed down to Rey, Vader's saber could have survived. I mean, Luke dragged Anakin's corpse all the back to the surface of the planet to cremate him. Maybe he took his saber too.

 

[Armaros]

that's how you tell if all the other elements can hold their own. hint: they can't.

How does any of Star Trek hold up without Star Trek? And I mean all of them.

It's also true of the original trilogy. A new hope without the force, light sabers, Vader is a generic science fiction movie about a small rebellion vs a tyrannical government.

 

[Already Torn]

that's how you tell if all the other elements can hold their own. hint: they can't.

This is true of the OT as well!

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

 

[brandonh83]

Funeral scenes suck, it's just characters crying, we know how they're feeling and they halt everything to a standstill. The stuff with Chewie and Leia depressed were enough.

 

[Syf]

If Luke's lightsaber survived to get handed down to Rey, Vader's saber could have survived. I mean, Luke dragged Anakin's corpse all the back to the surface of the planet to cremate him. Maybe he took his saber too.

Got knocked away when Vader's hand got chopped off though, no?

 

[Interfectum]

Sort of. I also know angry fighters tend to be sloppy fighters. :/ This sort of game goes in circles. I see a hurt person (shot on the side of the belly) doing spins and lots of moves that require the core which kind of goes against the idea that he lost because he was hurt. The visuals showed very little during the action that he was hurt but his loss is blamed on the fact he was hurt.

I find it inconsistent.

He could be doing the spins to keep his adrenaline pumping the same way people slap themselves in the face to stay awake. Maybe he did it to motivate himself or to prove he can still do shit even while injured. Also, dramatic flair.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

You know, it'd be neat if Kylo manages to get his hands on Anakin's/Luke's original blue lightsaber, and Rey then uses Vader's saber to battle him.

Cause red lightsabers are always cooler.

Pretty sure Vader's saber is down at the sploded Death Star II reactor shaft with the rest of his hand and Wrinkles.

Dark-Not Dark Luke chopped that shit off.

 

[Theodoricos]

XFD

This one's the best yet.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Got knocked away when Vader's hand got chopped off though, no?

Pretty sure Vader's saber is down at the sploded Death Star II reactor shaft with the rest of his hand and Wrinkles.

Dark-Not Dark Luke chopped that shit off.

 

[Already Torn]

Funeral scenes suck, it's just characters crying, we know how they're feeling and they halt everything to a standstill. The stuff with Chewie and Leia depressed were enough.

It would have helped. Did Leia ever even say she was sad about Han's death? She just looked sad. Laaaaazyyyy

 

[minimumhippo]

that's how you tell if all the other elements can hold their own. hint: they can't.

But no one is saying it's perfect. No one is saying every element of this movie is amazing. The fact that it's Star Wars isn't the only factor in it's success. Hell look at the prequels, those were Star Wars as fuck and they are hated.

 

[brandonh83]

Please god give me the VIII subtitle. You see I might die soon if I don't. I need to know right now.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Finn decided to switch sides because his squad was ordered to murder unarmed civilians.

Do you not understand the difference between that and killing soldiers shooting at you in the heat of battle? Because it's kinda an important difference.

The part that bothered me more was his escape. He easily massacred over a dozen Stormtroopers and First Order personnel with the guns on that TIE Fighter.

 

[El Jaffe]

That's not bad and plausible. If she's not Luke's daughter she's Leia's. And a sibling rivalry would be new.

I definitely think she is Kylo Ren's sister, and but I,think there's about a 10yr gap between them so unless Ren was 10 when he killed all of Luke's disciples, I don't see Rey being born after the massacre. I think Leia sent both her kids to be trained with Luke and thought Ben had killed her aswell.

I'm thinking that Ben couldn't bring himself to kill his sister, so he dropped her off on Jakku and clouded her mind with his powers. Would explain why Kylo force chokes the officer when he is told that a girl from Jakku was with Finn, and why he abandoned the search for the droid when he found her. Yes, she had the map in her mind, but half the mission was making sure the Resistance didn't get the map aswell. He was also not nearly as rough to Rey as he was to Poe when interrogating her.

At the very least I'm certain Kylo Ren knows who Rey is. Whether she is his sister, Luke's daughter, or maybe one of Luke's young disciples he spared during the massacre, but I'm having trouble figuring out why he'd spare her if she was the latter two, except for him not being able to kill a little girl.

 

[sphagnum]

I definitely think Kylo will get the Childslayer though. Would be a really interesting scene if he knows that it was used when Anakin was not just Anakin but actually Vader.

 

[PopeReal]

that's how you tell if all the other elements can hold their own. hint: they can't.

You are trying way to hard. Your argument makes no sense. You don't have to like the movie but this line of reasoning is pointless.

 

[The Flash]

Dark-Not Dark Luke chopped that shit off.

Speaking of Dark-Not Dark Luke, watched this earlier today. Pretty interesting if it had gone this route. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMHrOivM5bI

 

[Interfectum]

It would have helped. Did Leia ever even say she was sad about Han's death? She just looked sad. Laaaaazyyyy

What did you want her to do?

"Hey audience, I'm upset and sad by Solo's death."

lol

 

[Salsa]

3po cockblocking with the "hi im c3po you probably don't recognize me cause of my red arm" was the fuckin most star wars thing i've ever seen and I felt a tingling in my groin

best bit