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[The Elite]

That whole sequence looked like bad Doctor Who filler.

It's the only sequence for me that felt off in the entire film. Still had some fun Star Wars like gags but, yeah, that could have easily been something out of Doctor Who as well.

 

[brandonh83]

Yes.

Which is why it's wrong

 

[Messypandas]

Has there ever been a sequence of someone getting off the ladder and into the gunners chair in the falcon in the same shot?

 

[-griffy-]

Maybe it was the Force that gave sure such good piloting skills.

Isn't that obvious? That's what lets her navigate the downed Star Destroyer and do a crazy move to let Finn take out the last TIE. That's also why Luke can bullseye critters on Tatooine and why Anakin is the only human capable of piloting a podracer. Their latent force abilities makes them capable of above normal feats even before they are aware they can utilize the force.

 

[Solo]

My wishlist for Episode 8 is really only to see Luke wrecking baddies with his green lightsaber as the most powerful Jedi. Beyond that, I trust Abrams and Johnson to deliver.

 

[The Elite]

Where is my deviantart with Ben framing his Darth Vader poster in his Jedi Temple dorm room?

#soedge

 

[TheOctodad]

Hmm

I should explain a little bit more, since it was me that claimed she could be a "1,000 year old girl."

Basically, I'm arguing that somehow her emergence of power is linked with secrets discovered inside the Jedi Temples.

If Snoke = ancient evil, the Rey is potentially an ancient foil to his power.

Temple Secrets = A link to Rey's background = Power against Snoke

This is why Luke is looking for the first Jedi Temple.

To what extent she is "ancient" I don't know. I just think somehow there's a connection.

 

[Messypandas]

Where is my deviantart with Ben framing his Darth Vader poster in his Jedi Temple dorm room?

#soedge

Vader did nothing wrong.

 

[FloatOn]

I kind of wish Abrams would just come out and spell it out for the knit wits that don't get it at this point

but then responding to the backlash implies that their opinion was valid in the first place.

 

[GiantEnemyGoomba]

It only started bothering him after Rey whispered the force. He just totally gave up after that to let Rey have her Van Damme moment.

No he was shown backing off and pounding his chest/stomach as well as his blood being on the ground. It was definitely affecting him.

 

[LegendofLex]

Which makes it seem much more like a Luke decision, not a Han & Leia decision, right? That's how Luke thinks/operates. Not Han & Leia.

Yes, but this doesn't automatically make her Luke's kid; it just means Luke was the guiding force behind what ultimately happened to Rey.

You have to really want her to be Han & Leia's kid to even pursue it after having watched the movie. It made some sense before the film came out, using the thin context provided by the spoilers, but with the full film now out there and digestable, it just doesn't fit.

I do think it's ultimately more likely that she's Luke's kid, given Maz's comment that the reunion she seeks is ahead of her (after having already met Han).

But I don't know that there's any unambiguous sign that she's not Han and Leia's kid (Han and Leia would still be family even if she's Luke's kid, so she'd actually have already reunited with family by that point anyway). On my first viewing, I definitely got a strong impression that she's Luke's. But after a second viewing, I decided nothing definitely ruled out her being Han and Leia's, and them just keeping a lid on it (if she's Luke's, they're keeping a lid on it anyway). They were after all quite insistent on shoving her similarities to Han in our face in the first act, which seems kind of silly if it's a bait-and-switch.

 

[Skellig Gra]

I should explain a little bit more, since it was me that claimed she could be a "1,000 year old girl."

Basically, I'm arguing that somehow her emergence of power is linked with secrets discovered inside the Jedi Temples.

If Snoke = ancient evil, the Rey is potentially an ancient foil to his power.

Temple Secrets = A link to Rey's background = Power against Snoke

This is why Luke is looking for the first Jedi Temple.

To what extent she is "ancient" I don't know. I just think somehow there's a connection.

If she was ancient why would she be 5 years old when left alone on Jakku? Is it a frozen force baby like Brendan Fraser in Encino Man?

 

[DryEyeRelief]

I kind of wish Abrams would just come out and spell it out for the knit wits that don't get it at this point

but then responding to the backlash implies that their opinion was valid in the first place.

that's kind of condescending

 

[Zabka]

Maybe it was the Force that gave sure such good piloting skills.

There's no maybe about it. Force sensitives unconsciously tap into it. The training helps them focus it into specific abilities.

 

[Hawkian]

Sounds like your nephew is more grown up than some other people, who over analyse things.

He's awesome. My favorite (whispered ) comments of his were:

1) "Rey is so awesome" when Han is pointing out to Finn that she's out the window climbing around the inside of the Starkiller, like she'd already gotten free and is working on her way out even without knowing the two of them are there. I think she's just a home run likable heroine for kids, regardless of the social implications of her being female in the first place.
2) He just goes, "reference!" when Han Solo mentions the trash compactor. It's like was able to see all the winks and nods and callbacks like we do, just without any of the cynicism, just sitting there enjoying the magic of watching a fun movie.

It was an awesome experience seeing it with him for the first time

 

[funkypie]

Kylo sabre also sucks. Those hilt Guard things look like they get in the way constantly.

 

[Crossing Eden]

It only started bothering him after Rey whispered the force. He just totally gave up after that to let Rey have her Van Damme moment.

He still was very wounded and distressed before hand tho. Just based on the way he says "We're not done yet" while super sweaty followed by a shot of blood dripping.

Kylo sabre also sucks. Those hilt Guard things look like they get in the way constantly.

Quite the opposite, when he started stabbing Finn's shoulder.....

 

[The Elite]

Vader did nothing wrong.

I like the idea of Ben arguing with Master Luke about how he understands Vader more than anyone.

And Luke being like "I was fucking there, dude."

I kind of want my New Jedi Academy animated series.

 

[Skellig Gra]

I kind of wish Abrams would just come out and spell it out for the knit wits that don't get it at this point

but then responding to the backlash implies that their opinion was valid in the first place.

What are you on about man? He doesn't have to spell out anything that's what the future movies are for. If room for ambiguity is left it is perfectly valid for people to interpret it different ways.

 

[Timu]

According to my other friend John Boyega was a terrible actor lol I told him he was on crack

He was awesome in this movie!!!

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Kylo sabre also sucks. Those hilt Guard things look like they get in the way constantly.

Finn would agree with you.

 

[-tetsuo-]

Her having intimate knowledge of the Falcon does go in line with her having intimate knowledge about everything. Y'all are correct.

According to my other friend John Boyega was a terrible actor

Wut

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

According to my other friend John Boyega was a terrible actor lol I told him he was on crack

I think the Finn character needed more to him, but Boyega was definitely great in the role. The movie had pretty good acting overall, which is a first for a Star Wars movie.

And my guess is that Rey is Luke's kid, or someone he was training when the shit went down.

 

[The Elite]

Finn would agree with you.

Kylo didn't have a problem though.

 

[FloatOn]

What are you on about man? He doesn't have to spell out anything that's what the future movies are for. If room for ambiguity is left it is perfectly valid for people to interpret it different ways.

I guess I'm just getting tired of the same old criticisms and people unwilling to realize what you just said: there are two more movies to explain things.

and it's fine to interpret and speculate on things. but to out and out trash the movie because things weren't spelled out ito their liking is unproductive and frustrating.

 

[TheOctodad]

If she was ancient why would she be 5 years old when left alone on Jakku? Is it a frozen force baby like Brendan Fraser in Encino Man?

I have a writeup with a crazy theory about this.

She was discovered by Luke and his academy - essentially she's a vault dweller. She showed great potential. Snoke moved in using Kylo's jealousy and the Knights of Ren to try to capture her. Luke defends her, but is fearful of the potential this baby holds. He hides her on Jakku UNTIL her can find out what this ancient baby was intended for and how/if she is to be channeled.

Her memories of abandonment are true, but her parents are long dead. Luke will adopt her as his daughter eventually. But she is not a OG Skywalker.

Or something like that. It's just a theory. I'm trying to imagine some more fun twist that just, "She's Lukes." Which doesn't explain why he would abandon her. My theory means Luke was less attached to her than he was the mastery that surrounds her - at least currently.

 

[Hawkian]

He was awesome in this movie!!!

Attack the Block is tooootally worth seeing if you enjoyed his performance as Finn. It's a fun little spitball of a movie, completely different role, but he kills it.

 

[GiantEnemyGoomba]

Kylo sabre also sucks. Those hilt Guard things look like they get in the way constantly.

Well they didn't and the design became amazing once he buried one of the hilts into Finn's shoulder when their main blades crossed. I knew there'd be a moment like that and it was so brutally satisfying.

 

[fastford58]

They could have had the scene with both parties of smugglers as they did, to show Han's charm to talk his way out of anything remained intact. That part was fine. The CG monster chase that followed? Stop it.

This scene was fucking awesome. This was Han doing Han shit. We have never been able to see that before (except briefly in the Cantina where Han shot that dirty Greedo first).

My kids were legit scared shitless throughout the sequence. Actually, just watching them laugh, cheer, get scared, and my one boy even got choked at Han...really brought me back to my first experiences with Star Wars.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I like the idea of Ben arguing with Master Luke about how he understands Vader more than anyone.

And Luke being like "I was fucking there, dude."

I kind of want my New Jedi Academy animated series.

Rebels is pretty terrible especially in comparison to the other shows so yes this would be a great alternative. Preferably with a blank check like the clone wars show. Each episode of clone wars cost at least $1 million each

Spoiler

It'll never happen but I can dream...

 

[Bad_Boy]

im just upset the guys from the raid were on screen for like 3 minutes and did nothing of importance.

like what the fuck did they cast them for?

the only explanation is that they show up in rouge one some how.

 

[Starsailor]

2016: Star Wars Rogue One

A planet is capable of holding some heat in its atmosphere for a while, I imagine.

I will NEVER understand the hate around assassin's creed (future movie or games).
NEVER. =(

 

[Skellig Gra]

im just upset the guys from the raid were on screen for like 3 minutes and did nothing of importance.

like what the fuck did they cast them for?

the only explanation is that they show up in rouge one some how.

I think 3 minutes is pushing it...

 

[Zabka]

Her having intimate knowledge of the Falcon does go in line with her having intimate knowledge about everything. Y'all are correct.

It's almost like she works for its owner. Weird.

 

[The Elite]

I will NEVER understand the hate around assassin's creed (future movie or games).
NEVER. =(

I like Assassin's Creed but we've been over saturated. I couldn't get through Syndicate, which was a good game, because I was tired of the formula. Let it sleep for a few years.

 

[FloatOn]

I like the idea of Ben arguing with Master Luke about how he understands Vader more than anyone.

And Luke being like "I was fucking there, dude."

I kind of want my New Jedi Academy animated series.

it's going to be great to see them fill in the 30 year gap

I want to know more about this Lor San Tekka guy. Sucks he got taken out so early in the film.

 

[bananafactory]

Why don't people like the Rathtars sequence? Every SW movie has had a monster scene

ANH - Trash compactor
ESB - Mynocks and Space Worm
ROTJ - Rancor, Sarlaac

I thought it was a lot of fun.

 

[Hawkian]

This scene was fucking awesome. This was Han doing Han shit. We have never been able to see that before (except briefly in the Cantina where Han shot that dirty Greedo first).

My kids were legit scared shitless throughout the sequence. Actually, just watching them laugh, cheer, get scared, and my one boy even got choked at Han...really brought me back to my first experiences with Star Wars.

hell yeah!

This sounds dumb as I read it over, but I really think my understanding of what makes this a good movie was enhanced by seeing it with a kid right next to me, lol.

 

[FeD.nL]

I should explain a little bit more, since it was me that claimed she could be a "1,000 year old girl."

Basically, I'm arguing that somehow her emergence of power is linked with secrets discovered inside the Jedi Temples.

If Snoke = ancient evil, the Rey is potentially an ancient foil to his power.

Temple Secrets = A link to Rey's background = Power against Snoke

This is why Luke is looking for the first Jedi Temple.

To what extent she is "ancient" I don't know. I just think somehow there's a connection.

While an interesting theory Snoke isn't bothered in the slightest by Luke looking for/eventually finding the first Jedi Temple. Snoke doesn't even want to kill Luke. It's Kylo that absolutely wants to find Luke but Snoke even ordered BB-8 to be destroyed if the droid couldn't be recovered.

 

[Skellig Gra]

I guess I'm just getting tired of the same old criticisms and people unwilling to realize what you just said: there are two more movies to explain things.

and it's fine to interpret and speculate on things. but to out and out trash the movie because things weren't spelled out ito their liking is unproductive and frustrating.

I don't want to get too preachy here but at some point you have to live with the fact people's brains are wired different than yours and not let it bother you.

 

[Starsailor]

I like Assassin's Creed but we've been over saturated. I couldn't get through Syndicate, which was a good game, because I was tired of the formula. Let it sleep for a few years.

maybe but the formula will never change even if syndicate come in 2016 or 2017...
I'm sure that syndicate would have better critics in this forum if he came out in novembre 2016, but with NO CHANGE, juste because of the gap....

 

[Ophelion]

I like the idea of Ben arguing with Master Luke about how he understands Vader more than anyone.

And Luke being like "I was fucking there, dude."

I kind of want my New Jedi Academy animated series.

Only if they do the right thing and half Mark Hamill, prestigious voice actor that he is, voice Luke. I mean, it would be insane not to, but I just wanna make that clear in this hypothetical situation: no Hamill, no watch.

 

[Bad_Boy]

I think 3 minutes is pushing it...

You mean as in it was less than 3? or more?

I mean the scene was longer than 3 minutes, but i think they got taken out rather quick.

 

[Theodoricos]

The one thing that makes me doubt that Luke is Rey's father is this exchange:

Maz: “Dear child, I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whoever you’re waiting for on Jakku… they’re never coming back. But there’s someone who still could.”
Rey: “Luke.”

I was under the assumption that Luke himself abandoned her on Jakku, but maybe someone else did.

 

[TheOctodad]

While an interesting theory Snoke isn't bothered in the slightest by Luke looking/eventually finding the first Jedi Temple. Snoke doesn't even want to kill Luke. It's Kylo that absolutely wants to find Luke but Snoke even ordered BB-8 to be destroyed it if the droid couldn't be recovered.

Where do you get that Snoke wasn't bothered? What do you think Snoke actually wants if not Luke/Rey?

 

[Blader]

Yeah that scene with the smugglers and the creatures chasing them around the ship was the worst part of the movie and felt exactly like the monster scene in ST2009 when Kirk was marooned. Both were equally unnecessary/pointless.

It was the only part of the movie where I felt like I was safe running out for a bathroom break. :lol

Why don't people like the Rathtars sequence? Every SW movie has had a monster scene

ANH - Trash compactor
ESB - Mynocks and Space Worm
ROTJ - Rancor, Sarlaac

I thought it was a lot of fun.

Hmm, this never actually occurred to me before.

 

[munchie64]

I glad kids are liking the film. They deserve good Star Wars to latch on to.

 

[Starsailor]

The one thing that makes me doubt that Luke is Rey's father is this exchange:

Maz: “Dear child, I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whoever you’re waiting for on Jakku… they’re never coming back. But there’s someone who still could.”
Rey: “Luke.”

I was under the assumption that Luke himself abandoned her on Jakku, but maybe someone else did.

i don't want rey to be Luke child, it will be so boriiiing

 

[Skellig Gra]

You mean as in it was less than 3? or more?

I mean the scene was longer than 3 minutes, but i think they got taken out rather quick.

Their physical time on the screen was probably less than 3 minutes. Most of the scene was focused on Han/Chewie or Finn/Rey.

 

[ReAxion]

Her having intimate knowledge of the Falcon does go in line with her having intimate knowledge about everything. Y'all are correct.

*tires screech*

You can't backpedal to an over-arching mary sue argument, trite as it is, when the pillars are being knocked away.