[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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On my second viewing today, I could not stop humming Rey's theme. I didn't even notice it at the end the first time around when they're going after Luke. It's so good.
Morrigan Stark
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But why her? Plenty of people can be competent military and/or political leaders. Almost nobody can use the Force, but she can, so it sounds like she should have had some Jedi training. Seems like a waste to have her just be a military leader. Unless she uses the Force in more subtle manners like using Jedi mind tricks during diplomatic negotations, lol. That'd be shady as hell, but quite interesting.
Definitely. She has fought with a lightsaber in the old EU (Anakin's saber, actually!), but again that's old and no longer canon.
I'm sure the current Leia will continue to sense disturbances and be able to commune with Luke when he wants to, but not much else. Maybe she can provide some wisdom to Finn in the next movie, as his mentor. I would love that, actually.
CrichtonKicks
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I can't help but feel like Kasdan was trying to right some of RotJ's wrongs in the film. Minimizing Leia as a force user helps distance the whole "oh yeah, Luke and Leia are twins" thing that Lucas forced into RotJ to make the Empire cliffhanger easier to solve. And the state of the characters in TFA (Luke by himself, Leia heavily burdened,etc) seem to conform to the bittersweet finale that was original planned for RotJ. And there is the whole killing off Han thing too.
Really by the end of the movie they've put things pretty much back on track to where the universe was supposed to be the end of Jedi.
So.. this is going to be in the Bluray I guess, way to lure fans.
Just got back from theater, it's 1 in the morning I'll make this short
Great movie , so much better than the prequels, a lot of great comedy moments as well
With that said
They killed off Han.....wtf
Luke...didn't even say a word and looked like a bum
Kylo Ren looked like a huge Wuss/Severus Snape type dude, big brat who has temper tantrums
Idk, whatever
Besides that I loved the movie and can't wait for future films
Great movie , so much better than the prequels, a lot of great comedy moments as well
With that said
They killed off Han.....wtf
Luke...didn't even say a word and looked like a bum
Kylo Ren looked like a huge Wuss/Severus Snape type dude, big brat who has temper tantrums
Idk, whatever
Besides that I loved the movie and can't wait for future films
plasmawave
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Couldn't Kylo have mind read Poe to get the map info?
I guess he didn't see the map himself.
I guess he didn't see the map himself.
She's been a political/rebellion leader for most of her life. So its what she's good at, and holds a lot of respect and power in it. I'm sure people realize that she is somewhat Force sensitive, but at the same time its her choice. There's nobody around telling her what to do, Force wise.
Morrigan Stark
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Yeah, I guess so. You'd think that Luke would have spent some time training her a bit though, before things turned sour and he fucked off at the other end of the galaxy. XD
He never saw the projection. Only the USB stick.
She was too old. Yes. Too old to begin the training.
The One and Done
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Disagree 10000%. The soundtrack was amazing in this film. It felt poignant and personal. I loved Ren and Reys themes and especially loved the final scene score. Very well done piece. Movie has some of JWs most nuanced arrangements.
CharminUltra
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The more I think about the movie the less I like it. BUT, at the same time I still feel it's a good enough foundation for the sequels. I'm just happy it wasn't prequel-bad.
Atraveller
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She's the sole reason the resistance exist, the new republic didn't want to get involved, so she gotta do it herself.
In the EU she's a master of battle meditation, not sure if this is still canon.
CrichtonKicks
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What? No it's not a lure for the fans or anything like that. Things get cut for pacing reasons all the time. This is one of them.
Haha he might have trained her a bit! With all of this new canon and 2 movies left to go, it's hard to say. I'm stoked to learn more about what Luke did in the last 30 years for sure.
I mean let's be perfectly frank here. You're not going to see Leia using massive force powers or weilding a lightsaber because this is 59 year old Carrie Fisher in these films. Despite the fight choreography in TFA being much more down to earth (ie BETTER) than the ridiculous PT fight choreography, it's still well beyond ANH-level "banging two sticks together a few times" saber battles.
I'd rather they tailor the role to what Fisher wants and can do well rather than get stuck with adding ridiculous CG Leia for some fight scene.
I'd rather they tailor the role to what Fisher wants and can do well rather than get stuck with adding ridiculous CG Leia for some fight scene.
Kitschkraft
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I'm hoping he has some part to play in taking down Kylo. You can't be comatose'd and not get any sort of revenge.
Monocle
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I think that while the score doesn't have many strong new standout themes, it's absolutely great at setting the mood and punctuating moments within scenes, which the OT's scores excelled at as well. It's really just the absence of prominent new themes that makes it less memorable than its counterparts in the other films. TFA's score recaptures the distinctive tone of the originals very well, which I enjoyed.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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From this point on, just make Leia a super-sassy smart-ass general who ain't taking anybody's shit. With Han dead, she takes it on herself to up the snark quotient.
plasmawave
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Basically just make her more like Carrie Fisher.
excelsiorlef
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God I'd love it if he turns out to be as ineffectual as the Wizard of Oz was.
BigJonsson
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Speaking of which, why did she keep the name Organa? She should be General Skywalker or Solo or Amidala 
Morrigan Stark
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iunderstoodthatreference, but as Luke's twin, he didn't have that much of a headstart on her, y'know.
Obviously not! I wouldn't want her to start doing Jedi combat. But the Force has other cool powers. I hope we get to see her use it in some interesting ways in the next film.
Yeah I thought that was odd too. Maybe as a tribute to the adoptive family she lost. Who knows lol.Speaking of which, why did she keep the name Organa? She should be General Skywalker or Solo or Amidala
It's a joke and is the funniest part of the film/series. No one cares about C3PO and the mystery of his red arm. It will never be solved and it's better that way. Comic books aren't canon.
Also Captain Phasma is just meta-commentary about Star Wars merchandising and action figures. It's all superficial junk and will ultimately end up in the garbage.
Is anyone really asking for that? They'd be insane to expect such things.
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I'm still in disbelief that Luke straight up dipped because of the Knights of Ren. Luke, the guy who stood up to the emperor. I feel like he lost someone incredibly important if he was so affected as to leave everything behind.
Atraveller
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Kylo would probably usurp the throne like Vader planned to.
Or she could fight like the emperor in the original trilogy, only with the force.
CrichtonKicks
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I think Rey's theme is pretty damn standout. March of the Resistance as well, though a bit less so.
Morrigan Stark
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I never knew how much I wanted this to happen until I read these posts. Hahaha
That was indeed bizarre. The reason for his sudden departure better be damn good.
DrForester
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Absolute waste of a great actress if so. I'm holding out hope that she's going to become Finn's nemesis as a mirror arc to Rey and Ren.
His reason for not going back to save Han better be good. What else could he have been doing there but meditating? He probably saw what was going to happen.
excelsiorlef
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Because she's like one of the biggest war heroes from the days of the Rebel Alliance. She has always been a tactician and political leader, that's her skill set.
Maybe it's addressed in Rebels but are Jedi just the biggest shirkers of responsibility? Aren't there Jedi in Rebels that Yoda could be helping but he decided to hide in a swamp instead? And now Luke seems to have lost his new order to Kylo and decided to run away, too. (I like to think that he's trying a new spin on balance by purposefully not creating more Jedi. I was really hoping Finn would show that strategy goes against how the world works.)
excelsiorlef
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I;d love that he achieves more than Vader but is still inferior to Vader. That'd really piss him off.
Bobby Roberts
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Same here. It's how we get Kylo to the big bad we want him to be. Kylo realizes Snoke's been selling snake oil all this time and snuffs him in a fit of indignant rage, which causes him to believe he's even more powerful and dangerous than ever before, which actually does make him more dangerous, in the same way a kid who gets high and believes they're invincible needs like 15 cops and 4 taser bolts to finally go down.
He's got justification to distrust Snoke, too - Snoke told him killing his pops would be his final test. So he did it AND IT DIDN'T WORK. That's going to cause some serious resentment.
EdReedFan20
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I know IMDb is often wrong, but according to it, J.J. Abrams is an Executive Producer on Episode VIII (I know EP credits don't typically mean much- sort of like how Stan Lee is always getting an EP credit in every MCU movie). So (if IMDb is right) does that mean Bad Robot is still involved with the franchise?
CrichtonKicks
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Of course it is. Do you think most people who are adopted give that name up for the surname of their biological parents?
I think it's more the personal failure, especially when it comes to his nephew. That's got to be a huge blow. And if he never saw it coming it would really shake his faith in himself as a teacher and mentor.
The force doesn't make you all knowing. Yoda didn't know that Vader revealed to Luke that he was his father.
You're complaining about the logic of a plot, based on new revelations that were added more recently. Essentially retconning many assumptions in various places.
I hope Snoke from TFA gets thrown out like Rick Baker's wife's Emperor, from Empire.
iunderstoodthatreference, but as Luke's twin, he didn't have that much of a headstart on her, y'know.
Obviously not! I wouldn't want her to start doing Jedi combat. But the Force has other cool powers. I hope we get to see her use it in some interesting ways in the next film.
Yeah I thought that was odd too. Maybe as a tribute to the adoptive family she lost. Who knows lol.
Well remember Yoda did say "there is another [hope]". In reference to Leia, when Obi Wan mentioned that Luke was their last hope. If something happened to Luke, Leia was also a Skywalker and could (with the right motivation) be trained to defeat Vader.
As far as her last name, I think she goes by Leia Organa Solo doesn't she? But I'm sure she kept the Organa name in respect for her adoptive family that was, in all fairness, her family too.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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You got it.
Warning, I spoiled this posters comments but it wasn't originally that way.
You really are the worst. A person gives a warning, and you extract it's contents for everyone to see.
Morrigan Stark
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No, but they don't usually reunite with their biological twin brother and live through life-changing adventures with him either.
Bobby Roberts
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What if Luke left because
a) The Knights of Ren were former students that Kylo turned
b) The Knights of Ren aren't in this movie because Luke basically killed them all (except Kylo, who he couldn't bear to kill due to the relation) when he got back and saw what Kylo had done to his temple.
c) Luke couldn't stand to deal with anyone or anything after essentially being forced by his nephew to pull an Anakin on his own temple, and that's why he mindwiped Rey, left her with the first asshole he could find on Jakku, and beat feet to that island for penance.
Also, that Making Star Wars report Gonzalez is linking has already been debunked. He doesn't say what the writer thought he heard.
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Yeah I really wanted Phasma to be a bad-ass too, hoping it happens in the next movie. A legitimately tough, skilled soldier with no force nonsense that's a woman would be rad as hell. Add me to the list of people who thought she was going to be a bigger character in this movie, but hey, it's one of three so there's plenty of time.
Oh man why did I click that quote. Fuck that's lame, is this 100% true then?
grrrrrrr
CrichtonKicks
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What does that have to do with changing her last name?
Morrigan Stark
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Sigh, nevermind, not worth it
Monocle
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Maybe he was disturbed by the idea of perpetuating his father's dark legacy. It can't feel good to be directly responsible for empowering a new fallen Jedi, especially considering his personal ties to both Vader and Kylo, and his own brush with the dark side where he nearly hacked Vader to bits at the end of ROTJ. I can't blame him for wanting to get away from that mess.
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