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[neorej]

You know... thinking about it.

I don't even know how you would consider captain phasma a great character. Maybe a character with potential. but... she was pretty much a non character the whole movie. just a generic captain speaking in a chrome stormtrooper uniform.



This makes too much goddamn sense. yes, it should of been her fighting finn. because the way i feel, that storm trooper was a cooler character than phasma.

Phasma's rolde in the movie could've been handled by a nameless Stormtrooper officer. There was zero reason to hype her up like this.

 

[AlexMogil]

Podracers on Jakku
"Balance of the Force"
PT and EU flags on Maz's palace
Sith
Jedi temples

... so not much then huh.

 

[Ragnorok64]

Hot Toys just unveiled two more figures from the Star Wars line:

Hot Toys Finn and First Order Riot Control Stormtrooper - $359.99


Hot Toys Finn - $204.99

The heck kind of riots are they suppressing if they arm their riot troopers with that thing?

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

If yall didnt pay attention to pre film marketing you wouldnt be disappointed

 

[TAJ]

I've seen it three times and the only part of the score I remember is the five notes they play sometimes when Kylo is around. You first hear it when his shuttle lands on Jakku.

 

[Squire]

Sheit, the Ren figure looks dope. It's been a while since I bought a HT figure. I may get weak on this one.

Out of curiosity, do you have the ones for RE4?

 

[SmackAttack]

Managed to get tickets to see it for a second time on Saturday with a friend of mine who will be seeing it for his first time.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Phasma's rolde in the movie could've been handled by a nameless Stormtrooper officer. There was zero reason to hype her up like this.

Phasma was going to be a guy at first. They (re?)casted him as a woman because there weren't enough female characters in the story.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Yep. And they had an opportunity to give her something to do since they had a speaking storm trooper mini-boss encounter. Edit: heh, quoted you before you quoted me in the edit. Disregard.

Phasma was clearly in the film just to be established much like the Emperor was established in Empire before he became an actual character in Jedi.

She must've been rescued by the First Order before the destruction of the planet.

Captain Phasma exists as an identifiable boss for Finn who is a jerk at first and gets a comeuppance later (possibly down a garbage chute). She doesn't really need to be anymore than that for this film.

such a cop out answer.

"we put this cool looking character in the movie, but actually made her not cool so that we can maybe use her later."

sc0la's idea would have been perfect for phasma.

I think most of the hype for her was before the film's release. She has a cool design so we all thought she would do cool shit. Also, female stormtrooper.

Phasma's rolde in the movie could've been handled by a nameless Stormtrooper officer. There was zero reason to hype her up like this.

I agree.

If yall didnt pay attention to pre film marketing you wouldnt be disappointed

to be fair, star wars marking was everywhere. nearly impossible to avoid for any fan.

 

[Starphoenix]

I don't know, but I actually liked the music to Torn Apart. Even though it was admittedly predictable in ways, the entire mood of the scene conveys the emotion they are trying to capture, and the music greatly helps that.

 

[mariachi507]

We don't know how long the Falcon was in the asteroid.

True. That's the only spot where a time lapse could happen.

 

[burgervan]

What?

That shit had me on edge when I did the rewatch last week. That and the music hyped it up. Then when Han makes that saving shot:

I think he's saying the Xwing scenes in TFA. The first deathstar assault is crazy tense even 30 years later.

*I'm waaay late. Don't know how that happened.

 

[Squire]

I don't know, but I actually liked the music to Torn Apart. Even though it was admittedly predictable in ways, the entire mood of the scene conveys the emotion they are trying to capture, and the music greatly helps that.

I don't really think any of the OST is "bad" per se. I get the criticisms, but I've listened to the whole thing through twice since seeing the movie. It's nice to have on in the background and a lot of the pieces have moments that really grab me.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I bet Phasma won't have the same look in VIII, you'll have to buy a new toy.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

You know... thinking about it.

I don't even know how you would consider captain phasma a great character. Maybe a character with potential. but... she was pretty much a non character the whole movie. just a generic captain speaking in a chrome stormtrooper uniform.



This makes too much goddamn sense. yes, it should of been her fighting finn. because the way i feel, that storm trooper was a cooler character than phasma.

If I didn't know she was a moderately famous GOT actress I'd have paid 0% attention to.

 

[Squire]

I bet Phasma won't have the same look in VIII, you'll have to buy a new toy.

You'll have to buy a new Rey for her lightsaber and a new Finn for his own resistance gear though, too. Not really something you can single out Phasma for.

 

[DrForester]

I bet Phasma won't have the same look in VIII, you'll have to buy a new toy.

Maybe she's on the run. Order tried to have her killed for her failure.

 

[AtomnayaKlubnika]

I bet Phasma won't have the same look in VIII, you'll have to buy a new toy.

Jet pack Phasma!

 

[TAJ]

Am I the only one who thought casting Mark Hamill for TFA was a terrible idea? Why does nostalgia have to ruin a what otherwise could have been a lengthier than 30 seconds role? Another actor could have easily been casted, it's been 32 years since the last movie and it's not like Mark Hamill looks that much like his younger self anyway.

What does casting him have to do with the character's screen time? I'll answer that for you. Nothing.

 

[JeTmAn81]

I didn't pay too much attention to pre-release marketing so I was expecting nothing from Phasma. I knew she was featured prominently in promotional materials and had cool armor but that's about it.

 

[Freezasaurus]

I bet Phasma won't have the same look in VIII, you'll have to buy a new toy.

You say that as if more Phasma toys is a bad thing.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Am I the only one who thought casting Mark Hamill for TFA was a terrible idea? Why does nostalgia have to ruin a what otherwise could have been a lengthier than 30 seconds role? Another actor could have easily been casted, it's been 32 years since the last movie and it's not like Mark Hamill looks that much like his younger self anyway.

So are you suggesting they recast Luke Skywalker or that they made a new Star Wars movie where all the original characters appear except Luke? Lol

 

[MMarston]

Am I the only one who thought casting Mark Hamill for TFA was a terrible idea? Why does nostalgia have to ruin a what otherwise could have been a lengthier than 30 seconds role? Another actor could have easily been casted, it's been 32 years since the last movie and it's not like Mark Hamill looks that much like his younger self anyway.

 

[EatinOlives]

Am I the only one who thought casting Mark Hamill for TFA was a terrible idea? Why does nostalgia have to ruin a what otherwise could have been a lengthier than 30 seconds role? Another actor could have easily been casted, it's been 32 years since the last movie and it's not like Mark Hamill looks that much like his younger self anyway.

What does Luke being still played by Hamill have to do with his 30-second cameo?

If anything I think he shouldn't have appeared at all. The whole move I was like "hnnng WHERE'S LUKE??" but only because I already knew they had cast him as Luke. Had he not been casted at all and not have been shown as "showing up" on the film, they could've EASILY ended the movie at the point where R2 and BB8 put together the map. Then they go "the map is complete!" and cut to credits. The beginning of the second movie is then finding Luke and talking to him.

Everyone knowing that Hamill was going to make an appearance, despite the fact that he had no active role in this movie whatsoever, to me felt like something just hanging over the whole film. He really didn't need to be in it, and the fact that his sole appearance was tacked on in a minute-long scene at the end of the film fucked up with the ending's pacing.

I couldn't have been the only person thinking "OK Luke is coming...at some point. When? When? WHEN IS LUKE" the whole film at the back of my mind. I would've preferred he not show up.

 

[Megasoum]

Phasma probably still ended up getting more screen time and lines in that single movie than Boba Fettin the whole OT lol.

 

[Bedameister]

The fact that he is second credited for a 30 second role.

But that's the whole build up for the whole movie. You know that there are two more episodes coming and that Mark Hamill will play a big role in those right?

 

[MMarston]

The fact that he is second credited for a 30 second role.

That's gonna be clearly much larger in the next film.

 

[Jarmel]

When the word "shitty" comes up in a discussion about a great film, I know I've had too much internet for one day.

Would it have been better if I said lifeless, flaccid, flat?

 

[tuffy]

such a cop out answer.

"we put this cool looking character in the movie, but actually made her not cool so that we can maybe use her later."

The character doesn't need to be cool-looking; it just needs to be somebody who looks different from every other stormtrooper so we know it's the same person as before. An easy way to do that is to paint a stormtrooper a different color.

The problem is the weird expectation that "this stormtrooper is chrome, therefore this stormtrooper is cool-looking, therefore this stormtrooper has some special significance" rather than "this stormtrooper is chrome so we can tell her apart from everybody else for some reason".

 

[Lynd7]

Am I the only one who thought casting Mark Hamill for TFA was a terrible idea? Why does nostalgia have to ruin a what otherwise could have been a lengthier than 30 seconds role? Another actor could have easily been casted, it's been 32 years since the last movie and it's not like Mark Hamill looks that much like his younger self anyway.

What? There's only one Luke Skywalker. What's wrong with Hamill? I think he'll be very good.

 

[Bedameister]

The character doesn't need to be cool-looking; it just needs to be somebody who looks different from every other stormtrooper so we know it's the same person as before. An easy way to do that is to paint a stormtrooper a different color.

The problem is the weird expectation that "this stormtrooper is chrome, therefore this stormtrooper is cool-looking, therefore this stormtrooper has some special significance" rather than "this stormtrooper is chrome so we can tell her apart from everybody else for some reason".

Yes I agree with that.
But I don't think it was necessary to put the blood on Finn at the beginning. I think people would have still got it that it's still the same Storm Trooper even without the blood. I found it to be stupid somehow

 

[Megasoum]

Am I the only one who thought casting Mark Hamill for TFA was a terrible idea? Why does nostalgia have to ruin a what otherwise could have been a lengthier than 30 seconds role? Another actor could have easily been casted, it's been 32 years since the last movie and it's not like Mark Hamill looks that much like his younger self anyway.

I'm against any kind of recasting for the original actors but anyway, if they had to recast one of the actors I would prefer they recast Leia... Carrie Fisher is just terrible.

 

[Ape Gone Insane]

So how is the community treating the Snoke is Plagueis theory? Is it likely? Been looking at some artwork for Plagueis and he's looking very, very similar to Snoke's depiction.

 

[Bad_Boy]

The character doesn't need to be cool-looking; it just needs to be somebody who looks different from every other stormtrooper so we know it's the same person as before. An easy way to do that is to paint a stormtrooper a different color.

The problem is the weird expectation that "this stormtrooper is chrome, therefore this stormtrooper is cool-looking, therefore this stormtrooper has some special significance" rather than "this stormtrooper is chrome so we can tell her apart from everybody else for some reason".

the problem with that logic, is that a chrome storm trooper is cool-looking.

I mean c'mon, look at that.

but the expectation also came from marketing and the casting of the actress. it wasn't just the chrome.

 

[brianjones]

Am I the only one who thought casting Mark Hamill for TFA was a terrible idea? Why does nostalgia have to ruin a what otherwise could have been a lengthier than 30 seconds role? Another actor could have easily been casted, it's been 32 years since the last movie and it's not like Mark Hamill looks that much like his younger self anyway.

the Han/Leah/Luke reveals only work because they're the original actors

they wouldn't mean shit otherwise

 

[tuffy]

Yes I agree with that.
But I don't think it was necessary to put the blood on Finn at the beginning. I think people would have still got it that it's still the same Storm Trooper even without the blood. I found it to be stupid somehow

It might've been neat to follow Finn with one long take which would've made the helmet blood unnecessary. But due to all the cutting back-and-forth, an identifying mark was an efficient way to clue in the audience rather than rely on body language alone. And it served a nice symbolic purpose since Finn got that mark by being sympathetic to one of his fallen comrades.

 

[ProudCanuck]

Phasma is the Boba Fett of the new Trilogy

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

To expand on this, anyone can be a dark side Force user since the dark side is a natural element of the Force. But the Sith are a specific religion/cult of dark siders that broke away from the Jedi in an event called the Hundred Year's Darkness. There used to be a lot of lore and history behind them in the old EU but that's almost all been wiped out due to the canon purge. The material we have left - the six movies, TCW, and the new books and comics - have mostly focused on the Sith's plans rather than their beliefs. We do know that their "homeworld" is Moraband (used to be called Korriban) and that at one time they had their own language called the Balc speech, but they do not seem to be tied to any particular alien species like in the old EU, simply being an offshoot of the Jedi.

However, it is sufficient to say that the Sith's main goal is personal power. They do not believe in living with the Force but in subduing it to their own goals, gaining total mastery over it to bend reality to their will. Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious were both obsessed with learning the secret to physical immortality, as neither (nor any of the Sith) believed that life after death was possible; the Sith consider (their own) death an absolute, the worst possible thing to encounter, while non-Sith can be more flexible in this regard. This is why a Sith will never sacrifice themselves, since they hold no allegiance to anyone but themselves and their own power, while (Rebels spoilers!)

Spoiler

the Grand Inquisitor was willing to die rather than face Vader - he feared Vader more than his own death, while a Sith would fear nothing except death, even if he/she would not admit it. This was made clear by Dave Filoni in Rebels Recon.

Following the collapse of Sith rule of the galaxy during the birth of the Galactic Republic, the Sith survived under Darth Bane, who established the Rule of Two - that there could only ever be at any given time two Sith, a master and an apprentice, one to hold power and one to crave it, with the theory being that the Sith had been brought to ruin because of constant infighting and backstabbing, and only with this structure could they continue on and grow stronger in secret. The Sith master would teach the apprentice everything he/she knew, and when the apprentice came to be strong enough, he/she would murder the master and take the place at the top. Obviously every Sith master intended on staying alive, but this was the inherent structural dynamic of this system, and it worked in that the Sith managed to survive and plot for a thousand years until their plans were culminated in Sidious' rise to power.

They are not averse to using other dark siders, such as Sith acolytes like Asajj Ventress or the Inquisitors from Rebels, but these people are only trained as attack dogs with a basic understanding of the dark side. They do not have access to the Sith's great secrets. For example, the Grand Inquisitor had to torture Kanan with machinery and utilizes his spinning lightsaber to make up for deficient combat skills. These lackeys are basically used to carry out missions on behalf of the Sith, and if one turns out to be very strong they could either be taken into account as potential future apprentices (like how Sidious treated Tyranus) or rivals to be eliminated (like how Sidious treated Ventress).

The Sith have amazing mastery of the Force and can perform feats that (canonically at least) no other Force user has been able to do. These are closely guarded secrets that the Sith master teaches the apprentice, and we have only seen a few of them, such as Force lightning or Sidious and Tyranus' ability to manipulate Yoda into a Force vision through Sith alchemy across the galaxy.

Sith are basically darksiders++ with their own specific hierarchy and arcane knowledge.

Facinating stuff. Thanks for the post

 

[Jonm1010]

What does Luke being still played by Hamill have to do with his 30-second cameo?

If anything I think he shouldn't have appeared at all. The whole move I was like "hnnng WHERE'S LUKE??" but only because I already knew they had cast him as Luke. Had he not been casted at all and not have been shown as "showing up" on the film, they could've EASILY ended the movie at the point where R2 and BB8 put together the map. Then they go "the map is complete!" and cut to credits. The beginning of the second movie is then finding Luke and talking to him.

Everyone knowing that Hamill was going to make an appearance, despite the fact that he had no active role in this movie whatsoever, to me felt like something just hanging over the whole film. He really didn't need to be in it, and the fact that his sole appearance was tacked on in a minute-long scene at the end of the film fucked up with the ending's pacing.

I couldn't have been the only person thinking "OK Luke is coming...at some point. When? When? WHEN IS LUKE" the whole film at the back of my mind. I would've preferred he not show up.

Her finding Luke actually gives some semblance of closure to this film. It finishes a part of Rey's arc. Who is the lead in this film. It also establishes the possibilities going forward.

Whereas cutting to credits with the map is just an odd place to end the film. It would of gotten universally panned for that choice. Plus it would create the problem for the next film of having to once again build up momentum to Luke's reveal. This ending gives the fans what they wanted, works well in Rey's arc and creates a pretty open canvas for the next film to do its thing.

 

[Real Hero]

Phasma is the Boba Fett of the new Trilogy

they want her to be that's for sure

 

[thecheese]

I loved the film but I think one of it's major flaws story-wise was the Starkiller base. We already have a death star in ANH and then again in RotJ... who thought it was a great idea to rehash the same thing in TFA? Ok so it's bigger, better, and can destroy more planets this time... give me a break. It still gets blown up. It's just too predictable. Now it would have at least been more interesting if the resistance failed in destroying it this movie and saved that for one of the later 2.

 

[Slime]

Well, Christie and Kennedy did try to temper expectations a bit:

The first female villain in a "Star Wars" movie, played by Gwendoline Christie (who made waves on "Game of Thrones" as Brienne of Tarth), is already setting sights high. Some are comparing Phasma to fan favorite Boba Fett. "Which means she makes a lot of impact but she's not at the forefront of the action all the time," Christie says.

But you won't see Phasma tapping out after being carelessly knocked into a sarlacc pit like a wobbly toddler. Kennedy has big plans for Phasma and confirmed that the captain will carry on into the next movie. "She's an important character, a baddie in the best sense of the word."

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ars-the-force-awakens-20151206-htmlstory.html

That was from the beginning of the month.

Seems to me like they're going for a reverse Boba Fett: looks cool, but gets humiliated right off the bat. Then she'll get something to do to earn that cool factor in the next couple of movies.

 

[TheDinoman]

Phasma is the Boba Fett of the new Trilogy

Nah, even Boba Fett was much more cooler and did more stuff.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I think he's saying the Xwing scenes in TFA. The first deathstar assault is crazy tense even 30 years later.

*I'm waaay late. Don't know how that happened.

I have some serious issues with the Deathstar assault.
The fact that they refuse to engage the Tie Fighters first before making the assault and instead repeat the run 3 times with each result being the same outcome except for thankfully Han saving Lukes ass drives me crazy. Such a huge waste of life ha

 

[NiMe Rli]

Holy shit just got back. I'm sure most first posts are like damn Han died. So

Damn Han died

Also Kylo reminds me of JP from Grandma's Boy haha

Overall this is my favorite movie out of all of them. I just saw all the movies about 6 months ago or so, so I have no nostalgic attachment to the OT.

Also how many times are they gonna blow up a giant planet gun thing? Hopefully that's the last one because that's getting old.

Can't wait to see Rey in VIII.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

When the word "shitty" comes up in a discussion about a great film, I know I've had too much internet for one day.

Well the x-wing stuff in this movie wasn't very good.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

So how is the community treating the Snoke is Plagueis theory? Is it likely? Been looking at some artwork for Plagueis and he's looking very, very similar to Snoke's depiction.

It's definitely possible. Way too many similarities and coincidences. Either it's him or they're purposely misleading us.

 

[Aselith]

I have some serious issues with the Deathstar assault.
The fact that they refuse to engage the Tie Fighters first before making the assault and instead repeat the run 3 times with each result being the same outcome except for thankfully Han saving Lukes ass drives me crazy. Such a huge waste of life ha

I think the problem was that the Rebels had only a few fighters to attempt the assault but the Death Star would have had basically infinite fighter wings to scramble. Fighting them ship to ship would have been suicide also.

 

[Toxi]

True. That's the only spot where a time lapse could happen.

Not true, there's also the trip to Bespin.

 

[Squire]

So how is the community treating the Snoke is Plagueis theory? Is it likely? Been looking at some artwork for Plagueis and he's looking very, very similar to Snoke's depiction.

I think it's maybe the most valid theory out there. Nowhere near as obvious as Rey being Luke's daughter because the general audience would have no idea who Plagueis is.

But you know, you have that group of people that hates the prequels so passionately they don't want this trilogy tied to them at all regardless of whether we're talking about a good idea or a bad one.