TheDinoman
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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Everyone was, to be fair.
Anakin was pretty damn pure in The Phantom Menace
SenorPopOff
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It's a movie, throwing the audience for a loop by avoiding the safe route and showing her being tempted by the dark side would make for a pretty interesting story.
It seems all ideas that don't paint Rey as the moral fiber of the story are being shot down by you. Are you looking for an interesting story or a role model?
We need some grey characters in this story as opposed to pure light and pure dark.
Starsailor
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I disagree, she used the force like Luke would do to beat a Sith. Yes Daisy show anger in that scene (and she was absolutely beautiful x__x ) but i don't think it's anger like...dark side. More like "i have to fight!"
The Librarian
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I disagree with that interpretation. After seeing it twice, she just seems to calm down and let the force flow through her.
Jar Jar was always nice. Look how that worked out for him.
I think they mean she's another female protag not that she falls to the Dark side. I guess you could consider knowing what won't happen a spoiler.
Theodoricos
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That excerpt from the novelization explicitly stated that she was using the dark side during the fight.
That said, that might not have been the intention in the movie.
That said, that might not have been the intention in the movie.
Starsailor
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The novel, which is canon, confirms at the very least that she felt the dark side and wanted to kill Kylo before the earthquake split them apart.
The Librarian
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But she doesn't!
Starsailor
Banned
wtf is that novelisation? There is already a book??
You can definitely see it in her face. I wish there was a gif. But, after she knocks him down with the kick, that face she makes is totally darkside.
Hasphat'sAnts
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This isn't Kotor 2
So finally watched the movie today but I got a question.
Why did Luke go into hiding when Kylo turned to the dark side? If Rey could do some damage to Kylo and 'win' her fight with him, despite never having held a light saber or used the Force until that very day, wouldn't a Jedi Master like Luke have been able to handle him quite easily?
Other than that, I really enjoyed the movie.
Why did Luke go into hiding when Kylo turned to the dark side? If Rey could do some damage to Kylo and 'win' her fight with him, despite never having held a light saber or used the Force until that very day, wouldn't a Jedi Master like Luke have been able to handle him quite easily?
Other than that, I really enjoyed the movie.
Han and presumably Finn were dead. She was pounding him into submission, even hitting him as he's down. It's not filmed or staged like a big heroic comeback, it's her slowly walking towards him, gritting her teeth and she hammers Ren to the ground. Even Luke used his anger against Vader in ROTJ until he stopped himself and saw what he'd done. But Rey doesn't know what that line is. She has no context for that kind of thing. They separate her and Ren to prevent her from going all the way.
She does for a moment, but when she comes back out swinging, she's pissed.
Unlike Luke for most of the original movies, Rey is well aware of what she's capable of if she taps into that power.
I wish it were
It was released digitally already.
The Librarian said:
Well....you'll have to take that up with the Lucasfilm Story Group or Alan Dean Foster, I guess, but canonically she was tempted.
edit: Unless you meant that she didn't kill Kylo, which, right, she didn't.
Honestly. I'm looking at this as an interesting arc and not towing a fine line. If that was the case Finn would be a Jedi.
What you're saying is she can't fall to the darkside because it would go against the character you want her to be.
I don't know where this character will go. She can stay the most badass of badasses and wreck shit. Or fall to the darkside or just be something in between. I'm just saying it would be interesting to see her character fall to the darkside if the story intended for it. I wouldn't be against it one way or the other.
It will, but that might have more to do with being the middle chapter rather than anything else.
Starsailor
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Rey's anger scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh82ahIaNlE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh82ahIaNlE
If I were to venture a guess, just as a three-act story...
Rey falls to the dark side at the end of Episode 8, but Kylo Ren realizes he's been used by Snoke and has been replaced. Maybe he's woken up from Snoke's influence, but in Episode 9 he'll then try to break Rey free from the same trap he fell into.
I think, considering that's we've seen characters go full good Jedi and go full Dark, having her get trained and then fall and go very dark in the middle chapter and then be redeemed and end up on the good side in the final movie might be an interesting arc and not the same as what we've seen before.
What if they were to reverse roles and Kylo gets redeemed but Rey falls?
Theodoricos
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The fact that she's angry and gets tempted by the dark side at the end of that fight bothers me. The previous scene shows her calming and composing herself (much like she did before she pulled off the Jedi mind trick at her third attempt) so it kind of doesn't make sense that she'd suddenly be filled with rage.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Personally I'd like to see Kylo Ren NOT be the real big bad of the series, have a change of heart at the end of 8, and spend 9 looking for redemption. It's a complete fanboy pipe-dream on my part, but I'd like to see a Vader type character have to live with the weight of his actions and not get automatic good guy status after a noble sacrifice death.
She's channeling the Force, she's feeling it. But she's channeling it the wrong way.
I don't think we're shooting for a Kylo redemption. More likely Kylo will murder Snoke and take his place while Luke somehow dies, leaving Rey alone and facing the dark side internally and externally by herself.
QuantumZebra
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I think the anger shows up at the end when she beats him and is likely thinking of Han dying
Starsailor
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Kylo will kill Snoke at the end of 8 and became the most crazy shit we've seen in all movies. I guarantee it: Kylo will be a mass murderer in both sides.
It's implied Luke was maybe away when his Jedi students were killed. and maybe he felt distraught seeing his nephew turn to the darkside.
But Han says Luke went to the first Jedi temple. This tells me Luke isn't necessarily in hiding but he's looking for information. Maybe there's a bigger threat out there that he's not sure how to handle.
Theodoricos
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If that was the case then she would've used the dark side from the very beginning of the fight, not immediately after she calms herself.
That's honestly an interesting idea, and I hope that's the case. Either way I would very much like for this to be addressed in the following movie, perhaps discussed by Luke and Rey herself.
I hope that's the only time we'll be seeing it in the sequel trilogy too, not really a fan of slow motion.
Starsailor
Banned
It could go either way, frankly.
I just wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a Prince Zuko with Ben. Hell, both have the scar on the face now too.
Well
Internet already made the similarities between Aang/Rey and Zuko/Kylo
This is why I think there's more to Rey beating Ren and everything being fine. There's an emphasis on her movement and her intent that they could've ignored if it was meant to just be her 'feeling the Force' and beating him. They are definitely implying her anger and power there in a darkside kind of way. It's not a black/white victory.
Starsailor
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or at this point she discover the Force so she didn't follow any training.
She won't go to the dark side. Never.
excelsiorlef
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So basically strong woman loses (emotional) control and has to be saved by the heroic man.
Fuck that shit. Rey going dark would ruin her character.
That's a foregone conclusion though. The franchise is very formulaic, and victim to cycles. There's an established cycle of apprentices killing their masters.
Yeah, the two different leaked shot lists of the flashback, which was massively changed around once the plot was changed to focus not on Luke's lightsaber but on a map leading to Luke, make this more obvious.
Version 1 said:
Version 2 said:
Starsailor
Banned
Anakin kill Palpatine for good side
Kylo will kill Snoke to be much more darker than anything since Palpatine
But it does make sense. Han has just been killed. For all she knows Finn is dead as well.
She's scared. Fearful and she shows anger. She has EVERY right to be angry, but we only have to go to Yoda to know she's at least being subtly tempted.
"Fear is the path to the darkside. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
Palpatine killed his master Darth Plagueis
Astral Dog
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But what if Rey becomes the villain, and Kylo the hero?
The Librarian
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*sigh* that's pretty clearly not what I'm saying at all.
Because this franchise hasn't had a dude lose emotional control and fall to the darkside, needing to be saved by others...?
Starsailor
Banned
we need two trilogy to do that (and i don't mind if they will do 5 more movies with her <3 )
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