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I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying it's not out of the realm of possibility that her character may fall to the darkside. And not that it's impossible for to do that simply because she's a female protag.
It is quite odd isn't it?
While they all squabble over your trivial matters, allow me to recount a story:
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Hasphat'sAnts
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And I too, will experience the heartbreak all my black friends felt for Mace and Lando when they have Donnie Yen job to the first dark jedi in Rogue One.
It is quite odd isn't it?
While they all squabble over your trivial matters, allow me to recount a story:
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
LMFAOOO
The Rey-as-Mary-Sue thread kind of bled over. Thankfully we're at least discussing something interesting and important instead of doing yet another round of "Hey just saw it Kylo's a wimp, Snoke is Plagueis, who's that old guy in the beginning, has anyone read Aftermath?, I don't get the relationship between the NR/Resistance/First Order, soooo much better than the prequels, hey guys did you know Ewan did a voiceover?!, what if Rey is really Shmi!" etc etc etc.
excelsiorlef
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Morrigan Stark
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Donnie Yen FTW!They got my boy in Rogue One looking like Zatoichi, the Blind Swordsman:
Again I'm looking at this in a totally different way than what you are looking at and I respectfully agree to disagree.
SpaceBridge
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Just saw this, really enjoyed. Better than the prequels, and I can respect how much it tried to capture the magic of the originals.
Quick questions: so where did this First Order come from and how did it seem so much more powerful than the old empire?
Was that Coruscant getting blasted?
Quick questions: so where did this First Order come from and how did it seem so much more powerful than the old empire?
Was that Coruscant getting blasted?
ftfy. I'm still left dumbstruck when I see a brown guy on screen in a role that isn't a fucking terrorist, cab driver, or convenience store employee. Let alone be written to at all empathize with as opposed to being a passing joke.
I'm not at all denying the importance of seeing a female lead in a Star Wars movie (not to mention Rogue One next year), but I also don't see why they'd introduce the element of her potential to tap into the darkside so early if they didn't intend on flirting with that idea moreso later on. As it stands, her flirtation with the darkside in this movie is no different than what Luke had to face at the end of his journey in ROTJ.
Say the next movie has her now knowing about what the Light/Dark dynamic. It'd be real unfitting then to not approach her with that choice again and have her either push against that temptation or to fall to it. If she resists, it'd be redundant to do it a third time. If she falls, even briefly, or chooses to run etc, atleast narratively she then has somewhere to go afterwards. Whether it be redemption, or to have her need to re-embrace the Force or something.
We're also ignoring any possibility of the introduction of additional female characters into this story for the remaining two movies. Maybe Luke knows acouple other in-hiding students after Ren betrayed them all. Maybe we meet a female bounty hunter who joins the main circle. There's still a ton of other factors that we don't know about yet.
excelsiorlef
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More powerful? It is a Galactic Terrorist organization. The Empire was a ruling power.
Just saw it. A little disappointed tbh but it was still good. It just didn't live up to the hype.
Preface: I never really saw the original trilogy before. The first exposure to the Star Wars movies were really with episode 1-3 which I thought was terrible. I recently saw Ep4 which I liked but some parts aged pretty terribly and I saw Ep 5 which I really liked asides from Chewbacca constantly crying. I went into The Force Awaken unfortunately skipping Ep6.
The negatives:
-There were way too many questions left unanswered. Now I believe less is more and do not like having my hand held when watching a movie, but a little exposition is still necessary. I felt like I was missing something by not reading or watching everything canon.
-Some scenes lasted too long.
-Kylo Ren didn't look menacing without the mask. He was also pretty underpowered.
-The lady in the metalic stormtrooper costume didn't really get a cool scene. Speaking of, while they didn't have to spell it out, at least give us an idea of what made the stormtropper with the red shoulder pad different from the rest.
-The Raid cast was a waste of talent.
-The audio of that CGI lady character was off.
-The descruction at the end felt like a rehash of Ep4.
-Han's death was pretty telegraphed.
The positives:
-The score.
-The cinematography. Loved the long, wide shots.
-The chemistry was great between everyone.
-No annoying characters such as Jar Jar or, I'm sorry Chewy fans, Chewbacca.
-The world/background characters. It was a visual treat and I'd love to learn more about each species/race.
-The jokes hits most of the time.
-Stormtroopers felt more of a threat.
-Strong leading cast.
A lot of the negatives are nitpicks really. I still enjoyed it and may watch it a 2nd time, but I don't have a desire to rush out and see it again. TFA gets like a 'B' for me.
Preface: I never really saw the original trilogy before. The first exposure to the Star Wars movies were really with episode 1-3 which I thought was terrible. I recently saw Ep4 which I liked but some parts aged pretty terribly and I saw Ep 5 which I really liked asides from Chewbacca constantly crying. I went into The Force Awaken unfortunately skipping Ep6.
The negatives:
-There were way too many questions left unanswered. Now I believe less is more and do not like having my hand held when watching a movie, but a little exposition is still necessary. I felt like I was missing something by not reading or watching everything canon.
-Some scenes lasted too long.
-Kylo Ren didn't look menacing without the mask. He was also pretty underpowered.
-The lady in the metalic stormtrooper costume didn't really get a cool scene. Speaking of, while they didn't have to spell it out, at least give us an idea of what made the stormtropper with the red shoulder pad different from the rest.
-The Raid cast was a waste of talent.
-The audio of that CGI lady character was off.
-The descruction at the end felt like a rehash of Ep4.
-Han's death was pretty telegraphed.
The positives:
-The score.
-The cinematography. Loved the long, wide shots.
-The chemistry was great between everyone.
-No annoying characters such as Jar Jar or, I'm sorry Chewy fans, Chewbacca.
-The world/background characters. It was a visual treat and I'd love to learn more about each species/race.
-The jokes hits most of the time.
-Stormtroopers felt more of a threat.
-Strong leading cast.
A lot of the negatives are nitpicks really. I still enjoyed it and may watch it a 2nd time, but I don't have a desire to rush out and see it again. TFA gets like a 'B' for me.
Just came back from seeing it a second time but this time I saw it with my 8 year old cousin who had never seen Star Wars before.
She loved it a to , usually she never shuts up but she never spoke once while the movie played. She was relieved when I told her they were making more, she thought finding Luke was the end.
Her favorite part was Rey v Kylo but she also said the whole movie was awesome and couldn't wait to see the next one.
She loved it a to , usually she never shuts up but she never spoke once while the movie played. She was relieved when I told her they were making more, she thought finding Luke was the end.
Her favorite part was Rey v Kylo but she also said the whole movie was awesome and couldn't wait to see the next one.
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I mean, you can't have it both ways.
On one hand we can applaud them for their clear intention of creating this strong, inspiring female character. But the complete blind-spot to black viewers that were expecting more out of Finn is just fine? I disagree.
And it's not just "he wasn't a Jedi". Boyega even had an interview or two before the movie came out where he straight up said that he was just a Stormtrooper (I think it was an answer to that Kenya Barris article, but I'm not sure). But his overall...lack of skill was kinda a let down. And shit like him being a janitor just felt like someone had a blind-spot.
And while some appreciate the "audience surrogate" role....I personally would argue that, in this magical world with all of these different amazing different archetypes. From monk-warrior, to pirate, to smuggler....that role actually feels kinda pedestrian.
Just wanted a clearer "gimmick" for Finn. Maybe they have something cool planned for 8, the coma ending could suggest a lot of different things. Everything from awakening with new powers, to some strange cybernetic man thing (that I would hate)....to them just wanting him to be remain a surrogate and therefore needs to be reintroduced to the world at the same time we are.
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Lol perfect.It is quite odd isn't it?
While they all squabble over your trivial matters, allow me to recount a story:
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
I wish they hadn't wasted Lupita Nyong'o's talents on a CG character, especially considering that reports suggested that she had issues with giving a digital performance.
excelsiorlef
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No one in this debate is saying she can't have Luke like flirtations with the dark side.
Most of what we've been responding to though ate people hoping for her to go full Anakin into Vader, switch places with Ren and or becsaved him or Finn after she's gone full dar side evil.
That's where the issue lies.
At least an Asian guy got a prominent role. Don't think there was a single Indian/Brown person in the movie lol
Everyone seems upset about the Raid guys. However, they were pretty much just glorified extras. Supposedly, there were other celebrities who played Storm Troopers. Many actors probably wanted at least the most minor of roles just to get to be in a Star Wars movie. That includes the Raid guys. Actors just happy to be in Star Wars. They would probably do it for free if need be.
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Wot. Chewbacca isn't annoying, certainly not comparable to Jar Jar, and is also in the movie. I therefore find this statement very confusing...
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GiantEnemyGoomba
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They got my boy in Rogue One looking like Zatoichi, the Blind Swordsman:
This is the first of anything I've seen Rouge One related and that's fucking sick.
excelsiorlef
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It's gonna be an awesome experience.
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Wot. Chewbacca isn't annoying, certainly not comparable to Jar Jar, and is also in the movie. I therefore find this statement very confusing...
But he wasn't being a bitch getting mad at everything. Chewie was far better handled in this movie
That's what's he's saying.
If she falls for the purpose of a redemptive arc, I sure as hell don't think she's going to go full child-murderer Vader. It could very well be as simple as the end of Episode 8, she chooses to walk on to Snoke's ship, accepting him as her teacher.
Or she's surrounded by the Knights of Ren, and the only way out is for her to channel the dark side and she kills them all. Leaving her to feel like she can't be forgiven for taking that step into the darkness and so she goes to Snoke, or she abandons the Force altogether.
There's alot of different ways they can handle this, but I doubt they'd make Rey so unsympathetic, even if she does falter to the dark side for a stint. She's clearly the hero of this story, and I don't think this story ends with her in the darkness. But she doesn't have to go full child-killer to be sided with Snoke.
oh yea, Poe was amazing. new bromance in SW movies.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Óscar Isaac Hernández Estrada doesn't count as Brown now?
excelsiorlef
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http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/17/daniel-craig-makes-cameo-star-wars-force-awakens
Rey mind tricked James Bond. Mary Sue confirmed
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Rey mind tricked James Bond. Mary Sue confirmed
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When I say Rey will likely fall to the dark side, it's to get the power to kill Snoke (or Kylo if he becomes the main baddie but I don't think so). It won't be "I am evil, grrr fear me". It just ends up being what Snoke will want yo try to lure her further. Doesn't mean she remains like that, eventually she has to be good again, but her main challenge might be to be able to deal with Snoke without sacrificing those she loves in the process.
If her past story is that she was taken advantage of by Snoke when a child it's doubly redemptive.
People in here saying it's sexist to think she woukd fall to the dark side are being condescending and short sighted.
If her past story is that she was taken advantage of by Snoke when a child it's doubly redemptive.
People in here saying it's sexist to think she woukd fall to the dark side are being condescending and short sighted.
Sure there is... uhh... somewhere in the back.
People really need to just chill with that and take a cameo for what it is. Abrams and co. were trying to make Star Wars good again, not make the Raid guys look good. They had bigger fish to fry.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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OK yeah. I was planning on avoiding trailers and info for episode VIII, but now I'm thinking I'll be practicing with Rogue One. Those two pics alone have gotten me excited for it.
Lamel
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LmaoIt is quite odd isn't it?
While they all squabble over your trivial matters, allow me to recount a story:
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
CosmicGroinPull
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He loses the first saber in ep 5.
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It's Luke's saber from ESB
Silphonica
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Vader even states in RotJ "you have constructed your own lightsaber - the emperor was right about you, you are indeed powerful"
excelsiorlef
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The blue one is Anakin's from the PT that Obi-Wan gives to Luke in ANH and loses in ESB when he loses his hand against Vader
wouldn't be against this
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Lol, they're not going to do Dark Empire.
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