[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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Adam Driver look is irrelevant to me, but I can understand some people having a problem with him since he doesn't have anything close to the "Hollywood good look". You wouldn't expect the hypothetical son of Fisher and Ford to have Dumbo ears, let's be honest here lol.
Hayden Christensen had the "looks" and he was a teen idol or something, but it didn't help further his career and he's doing shitty D tier movies with Nicolas Cage nowadays...
Hayden Christensen had the "looks" and he was a teen idol or something, but it didn't help further his career and he's doing shitty D tier movies with Nicolas Cage nowadays...
igordennis
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Seriously, how shallow can you be? "How did that happen?"? For fucks sake
Digital-Hero
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I know right. Jeez. I thought he was fine, especially when he murdered his dad. The scene was well done. I bought into him being Solo's son.
SmackAttack
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Because of the first thing you said.
Roufianos
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And Fin's so attractive right?
Highly recommend The Art of Star Wars The Force Awakens book.
I got it for Christmas and its really cool seeing some of the thrown out concept art as the story evolved.
Anakin was going to be a force ghost and flip back and forth between Anakin and Vader having conversations with Kylo Ren.
Much of the Jakku sequence was supposed to be under water. The crashed star destroyers, and even the Millenium Falcon. The Falcon chase on Jakku was even supposed to be underwater with the thinking that if the ship is air tight, it must be water tight also.
Apparently Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams are also writing a making of book that's supposed to be out in the spring.
I got it for Christmas and its really cool seeing some of the thrown out concept art as the story evolved.
Anakin was going to be a force ghost and flip back and forth between Anakin and Vader having conversations with Kylo Ren.
Much of the Jakku sequence was supposed to be under water. The crashed star destroyers, and even the Millenium Falcon. The Falcon chase on Jakku was even supposed to be underwater with the thinking that if the ship is air tight, it must be water tight also.
Apparently Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams are also writing a making of book that's supposed to be out in the spring.
The Elite
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Ridley has big teeth.
Took me out of the film completely.
Got my Art of Star Wars book today. Fantastic. Been flipping through and love the evolution of the 'Jedi Killer' throughout. Love the early stages when the artists are just basically throwing shit at the wall based on what might be happening. Darth Talon was a thing.
Took me out of the film completely.
Got my Art of Star Wars book today. Fantastic. Been flipping through and love the evolution of the 'Jedi Killer' throughout. Love the early stages when the artists are just basically throwing shit at the wall based on what might be happening. Darth Talon was a thing.
More_Badass
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It had nothing to do with Finn having some Force. It was Ren sensing Finn's hesitation. Perhaps you could call it a disturbance in the light side of the Force
Digital-Hero
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I agree with the other poster. For me I interpret it as the force had something to do with Finn's awakening. I don't think Ren sensed a hesitation, but someone being enlightened by the force.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I too got the art bookas a gift but have only looked at a few pages. Can't wait to dig in.
Ether_Snake
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I think the midichlorian thing can still be canon but see it as a biological change that occurs in someone who is force sensitive, and not as a precursor to be force sensitive.
Stress for example has an impact on you biologically. Or if you are sexually aroused things happen too on a biological level.
So to say that midichlorian count being high is a sign of someone's force sensitivity isn't something that would really clash with the OT.
I could really see doctors in VIII say Finn's midichlorian count is rising while he is in coma, which would outright confirm that it's a side effect, not a source, of the force.
Stress for example has an impact on you biologically. Or if you are sexually aroused things happen too on a biological level.
So to say that midichlorian count being high is a sign of someone's force sensitivity isn't something that would really clash with the OT.
I could really see doctors in VIII say Finn's midichlorian count is rising while he is in coma, which would outright confirm that it's a side effect, not a source, of the force.
bearythebear
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So just finished The Phantom Menace, and it was kinda refreshing to see how much new stuff there is, compared to The Force Awakens 
BlackGhost
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When Kylo took off his mask, first thing I thought was "Damn Adams on the come up" well that was after I throught "The Guy form girls?!"
I liked Drivers casting, Ren was probably one of my favorite things of the movie.
I liked Drivers casting, Ren was probably one of my favorite things of the movie.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Adam Driver was great. The insecurity, the turmoil, the false bravado. He captured all of that with just a couple sneers.
And punching his wound during a fight. Some real method shit no one's ever seen in a Star Wars movie.
And punching his wound during a fight. Some real method shit no one's ever seen in a Star Wars movie.
This is just a joke, right?
I think his looks have a legitimate place in discussing Star Wars, but not in terms of being good looking or ugly. For me, he doesn't look or sound menacing once the mask comes off. That works in this film since he's supposed to be a whiny wannabe, but if they attempt to expand his character beyond that - I can see there being an issue if his performance and look resembles this film's. Maybe the facial scarring he's likely to have will help?
I had the same issue with Sebastian Stan in The Winter Soldier. Dude looked like a menacing badass for most of the film till his mouth visor came off, then I was like eh....
People just running out of things to take issue with. Notice how they ask you to look past them being shallow and reaffirm the position.
JaseMath
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It doesn't help it being a stretch he's Han and Leia's son and he looks ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE EITHER OF THEM.
Sevket-Erhat
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AbsolutBro
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Just got back from my second viewing. First time I completely missed that the helmet that Rey wears in the beginning is Red V: Luke Skywalker during ANH. She also has a doll wearing one of their orange flight suits.
The scene with Chewbacca and the doctor still bothered the shit outta me, but meh. I definitely enjoyed it more on my second viewing than my first.
The scene with Chewbacca and the doctor still bothered the shit outta me, but meh. I definitely enjoyed it more on my second viewing than my first.
Mashin Haters
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i dont know whats worse people complaining about Drivers looks or Finn acting too "street" in the film.
John Boyega is a good looking guy though.
Driver isn't classically handsome but I can see the appeal there with long hair. He was fairly handsome when he took his helmet off in the interrogation room and again on the bridge. He's downright mesmerising in the forest because his expressions are just perfect.
DiipuSurotu
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I disagree. His nose kinda looks like Han's.
Besides, he could be looking like Han's father or mother for all we know.
I think the only character who was miscast is Greg Grunberg. I was like, wtf is this a cheap TV series.
BlackGhost
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Nicely said.
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Driver is definitely hung like a horse tho, you can tell by the height, nose, lips, chin, ears.
Maybe people are subconsciously jelly.
Boyega is making your girl's panties wet.
Maybe people are subconsciously jelly.
Boyega is making your girl's panties wet.
So just finished The Phantom Menace, and it was kinda refreshing to see how much new stuff there is, compared to The Force Awakens
Not surprising given EP7 is a dickless and convenient retread of the OT.
Dubbedinenglish
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Him and Boyega and Ford are my standout performances in the film. Any scenes without either were lacking IMO.
Plasticine
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Ren didn't even need to sense Finn's hesitation. Dude was the only Stormtrooper not mowing down innocent people as ordered. Ren glanced over, noticed this clown not doing his job and stared him down. Phasma asks to inspect his weapon later for a reason.
Bobby Roberts
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Please what. You admitted it was shallow, and then you said it out loud anyway.
Unless you were going for some sort long-game thing where about half-a-forum of people respond negatively to your super-shallow comment that reads as thoughtless and pointless, only to flip it on those same people after three pages of back-and-forth over your throwaway comment about the looks of the actor, to highlight that there are thousands of threads with thousands of posters all of whom do that to actresses without pushback or even anyone particularly noticing anything strange about reducing a person's appearance in the story solely to their physical attractiveness.
But I dunno if that's what you were actually going for.
BruceLeeRoy
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So just finished The Phantom Menace, and it was kinda refreshing to see how much new stuff there is, compared to The Force Awakens
Call me crazy but the just because the mediocrity is "new" doesn't make it a good addition in my book.
Digital-Hero
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So just finished The Phantom Menace, and it was kinda refreshing to see how much new stuff there is, compared to The Force Awakens
There is retread there too.
1. Master dying in a lightsaber fight with younger one watching.
2. A Skywalker taking down a big threat at the end by shooting it's weak spot.
3. Ending sequence was like the award ceremony.
4. Tatoonie
5. Working together with the native planet species to defeat a greater threat.
6. Large army threat. Instead of the Empire it's the Droid Armies.
7. Two characters sneak down to a planet below after an altercation in the first act. (C3P0 & R2 ---- Qui Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan)
and more.
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Also, for "new" stuff. You mean midichlorians and a senate arguing about blockades and taxation of trade routes. Come on man.
I'd rather have the fun enjoyable dickless retread than the large dick of mediocrity that makes me shy away from it instead.
I still don't hate TPM that much
BruceLeeRoy
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Yeah thats a legitimate talking point for sure. I thought he fit perfectly and I think he will be able to pull of a more menacing figure with no issues whatsoever. I'm actually more impressed he was able to pull off this emotionally damaged character since his acting definitely skews toward more of a serious bend.
LookAtMeGo
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Kylo is going to be even prettier after that thrashing.
Why do people care how handsome he is? Some girls find him attractive I'm sure. Many boys probably do as well. I dont really think that matters too much when dude is wearing a mask most of the time and even if he isnt, who cares? Not all tough guys are handsome. See many UFC fights.
Why do people care how handsome he is? Some girls find him attractive I'm sure. Many boys probably do as well. I dont really think that matters too much when dude is wearing a mask most of the time and even if he isnt, who cares? Not all tough guys are handsome. See many UFC fights.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The casting of someone unusual looking to be Kylo Ren is obviously intentional. You're supposed to think "wow this guy isn't intimidating at all" when he takes off the helmet.
Also phantom menace to me is by far the best prequel. It's got some magic to it and also has the best action set pieces of the series. The pod racing sequence still holds up to this day. It's so amazing. And of course the 2v1 Darth maul fight still rocks. The underwater creatures are so cool too, man the ball tentacle things in force awakes were so fucking lame. Terrible sequence.
If they're going in the direction that I think they're going with him, since he's seemingly reached the point of no return after shanking his father - then it's going to be a tough day at the office for screenwriters to shift his character into a convincing menace. We've already seen him mentally/emotionally weak and we've seen him get bodied by a newcomer to lightsaber combat/the force, so he's going to have to do some straight up morally repugnant evil shit to convince audiences that he's a legitimate threat.
astroturfing
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definitely agree with the complaints about the looks of Ridley (not just the teeth) and Driver especially, some truly disgusting looking people, no offense. ruined the movie for me tbh.. there are SO many other much better looking actors ready to dazzle us in Star Wars, why not get them?
and don't get me started on Ford's gross grayness and old man gait... fucking UGH, double ugh even. pathetic casting.
and don't get me started on Ford's gross grayness and old man gait... fucking UGH, double ugh even. pathetic casting.
Yeah,but it didn't follow the same exact events with different characters and places.
They also never said the new stuff in pm was good (though some of it was! Especially designs that weren't just, like, non beat up or slughtlu altered x wing,but things that expanded the universe)
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Seriously, its literally Kylo Ren's character arc in TFA - he's basically a whiny teen who wants really badly to be an evil, intimidating Sith Lord, but he's just a scared, awkward kid. It's not like the casting director didn't notice that Driver is a very unconventional looking Hollywood actor in this massive franchise tentpole.
Lights and Waves
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Digital-Hero
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Neither does The Force Awakens in all degree. The patricide is new. Knights of Ren new. Maz Kanata new. Reluctant saber wielding female heroine new. And more.
BTW, I never read the EU and never will. I bought Aftermath and it collects dust. It's the film and tv shows for me.
bearythebear
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I'm not saying it's good, but at least they created entirely new cities, costumes, ships, etc.
Naboo still looks great, and I would love to see something like it portrayed in the next movie. TFA ends with the main characs running through another military base filled with metal corridors. In TPM they're running through some kinda Venetian Palace. It'd be nice to see them at least change the color palette a bit in the next movie.
TFA is a super fun movie with amazing characters. Heck, I think it's the best SW movie. Hopefully they play around with the formula a lot more in the next one.
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He's going to wreck a lot of folks with his knights. Imagine the first scene of TFA but with his knights instead of Storm Troopers, and more force use. Might also pilot his own ship at some point.
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