[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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Abrams did want another 6 months on the film that he didn't get so the meat of Phasma's story probably had to be sacrificed.

I suspect the same happened to The Raid guys.

Maybe Phasma's failure in Ep7 will be a driving force for her in the subsequent films (if she even survives the massive explosion).

But I'm way more annoyed at how inconsequential the Raid guys were. I
Hire some of the best action choreographers/fighters in the industry, then give them a few lines and no action? What the crap?
 
The Republic/Resistance split really was unnecessary. I think they wanted to get back to Rebels vs. Empire too much. They could have echoed the OT in a more interesting way by flipping their positions, and having the New Order attack the Republic from their position of strength. Would be much more straight forward, and more in line with what might be expected given how Jedi ended. Since we never see the Republic, the Resistance is the face of it and it seems like the Rebellion never got past being a scrappy group with a small fleet. I was like, huh? I thought they won in Jedi why are they stuck with a small fleet of X-Wings going up against a planet killer, again?
It does feel like there is a brief missing scene showing the Senate and day-to-day function of the Republic, leading into an introduction of the Resistance as they relate to one another (we'd then stay with just the Resistance for the remainder of the film, as is). I wonder if such a scene was in the screenplay at any point and was cut for fear of prequel gag reflex.
 
I like how the movie felt much more like the first trilogy than the prequels. Good stuff.

That final scene was terrible though. I figured Luke would've said something like "I've been waiting for you" or similar. Instead we get an extended staring contest of her holding his saber. He could've at least force pulled it to him and looked at it or something.
 
I like how the movie felt much more like the first trilogy than the prequels. Good stuff.

That final scene was terrible though. I figured Luke would've said something like "I've been waiting for you" or similar. Instead we get an extended staring contest of her holding his saber. He could've at least force pulled it to him and looked at it or something.

The longer the staring contest went on, the more I expected Luke to blurt out just before the credits rolled, "Why did you interrupt me taking a piss off this mountain?"
 
I preferred the implicative nature of the ending rather than forced dialogue personally...

I viewed the final scene like a silent film or something. It worked for me. You could read so many thoughts on their faces.
 
i'd like to see this as well. a spear lightsaber would fit rey so much.

on another note, will this be getting a 4k blu-ray release? cause i gotta have that.

Probably, but I've heard it was finished in 2K. You're also not going to get 3D that way.
 
Considering that I was responding to a directly quote synopsis of Sokka's character, my discussing his combat prowess as was mentioned in the quote is completely appropriate.

As for Finn being the tactician.. that's not what he was in this movie at all. He was a valuable source of how The First Order operates, but he had very very little to do with any of the tactical planning at any stage or point in the movie. He goes from "Gotta get away from The First Order" to "Gotta find a way to save Rey" in terms of both his motivation to his actual planning. So even on that level, he's not comparable to Sokka in the way you're describing Sokka.

Operate word being sorta, he totally winged it but he did have some sort of plan to bring down the shield for the rebels, and was a key part of the discussion of how to bring down the star killer.
 
I preferred the implicative nature of the ending rather than forced dialogue personally...

I viewed the final scene like a silent film or something. It worked for me. You could read so many thoughts on their faces.
I took that as a sign of Hammil's bad acting skills. I mean that seriously as I was sitting there trying to figure out what emotion he was trying to convey.
 
I took that as a sign of Hammil's bad acting skills. I mean that seriously as I was sitting there trying to figure out what emotion he was trying to convey.

Yeah honestly he seemed more irritated and upset by her presence. I'm not sure what they were going for but I don't think it was that.
 
I preferred the implicative nature of the ending rather than forced dialogue personally...

I viewed the final scene like a silent film or something. It worked for me. You could read so many thoughts on their faces.

Right? It had this stripped-down, theatrical quality (as in the actual theatre) that I did not expect to see in a Star Wars film. Easily the most emotionally-resonant scene in a film filled to the brim with them.
 
Saw it with the family today in IMAX 3D, wooo, what a ride. Fantastic movie; script and cast were great and of course the visuals were top notch. Always liked Star Wars but was never in love with it like most. Still thoroughly enjoyed it.

Best scene was probably when Poe was tearing apart the skies while Finn was running around.

But yeah how can the first order get away with building this giant system destroying, star sucking, weapon without anyone trying to stop them earlier? Maybe the lore not in the movie covers that.
 
I read a comment on Youtube that Han should've told Ben "I love you" and Ben's reply should have been "I know."

The more I think about it, the more I wish it was in there.

That would be a good idea if we were talking about Robot Chicken and that Emo Kylo Ren Twitter hadn't already made the same joke.
Oh, you were serious...
 
I read a comment on Youtube that Han should've told Ben "I love you" and Ben's reply should have been "I know."

The more I think about it, the more I wish it was in there.
It fits to a point, but in a movie full of callbacks, it didn't need one there. That simple touch of his face says all it needs. Acting nostalgic in that moment would feel inappropriate.
 
Feel free to disagree. Don't be a dickhead about it. That's not necessary.

It seriously started as a joke. A funny one. /shrug
And I'm gonna have to go with BobbyRoberts on potential audience reaction.
 
We saw the movie again at IMAX, the first for my parents, and they genuinely loved it. My mom thought that it was the second best behind A New Hope. I liked it even more this showing, aside from the segment with the Final Fantasy marlboro's, the movie just glides along and is a fun ride from start to finish.
 
I read a comment on Youtube that Han should've told Ben "I love you" and Ben's reply should have been "I know."

The more I think about it, the more I wish it was in there.

poetry is supposed to rhyme, not literally repeat the same lines over and over again
 
It fits to a point, but in a movie full of callbacks, it didn't need one there. That simple touch of his face says all it needs. Acting nostalgic in that moment would feel inappropriate.

It wouldn't be about nostalgia though. That's not why I wanted it in there. My following posts expounded on why I think it would have fit.

Genuinely, I think it could have worked great on the bridge scene because earlier in the film Leia tells Han she lost her son when she sent him away and Ren later tells Rey that Han would have disappointed her as a father figure. It lends credence to the belief Ben felt they didn't love him and that trauma of separation played a considerable factor in his turning, which I think is a little pedestrian.

However, if Han told Ren that he loved him and he acknowledged that with "I know," thereby dispelling that he any notion that he wasn't aware that his parents love him and establishingly clearly that he chose to walk the path of the Dark Side anyway for other reasons, that would have given real weight to his commitment to the Dark Side and made Han's death all the more grimer.

It would have resonated strongly with the audience as a call back, but have this stark and grotesque change to it because one can so easily infer Han and Leia would have held on to that exchange as a kind of inside joke of theirs while Ben grew up and that Ben would be remembering that and all the other good things in his life growing up in his struggle with luring Han to his death when he confessed he felt torn apart. Ren corrupting that saying, something that was light and an expression of love, would nicely reflect his own corruption to the Dark Side.

A definitive dispelling of any notion that Ren turned because "mommy and daddy didn't love me enough!" would have strengthened his character and his allegiance to the Dark Side, and it would have made me even more interested in his motivations and how he turned in the first place.

I'd also have been somewhat shocked by such a blatant corruption of something that was such a beloved and sweet expression that fans been quoting for decades.

Opinions and all that, I guess. I'm fine being in the minority on it.

It's more about wanting Ren to be bona fide Dark Side and not a manchild who turned evil over exploited parental issues.

We still don't know much about his motivations or goals, and the circumstances of his corruption are still a complete mystery, so I'd like for them to avoid the attraction of the obvious and easy tropes.
 
Adam Driver went to a high school 15 minutes away from mine. I never met him but i do know some people who went to school with him.
 
I preferred the implicative nature of the ending rather than forced dialogue personally...

I viewed the final scene like a silent film or something. It worked for me. You could read so many thoughts on their faces.

All the other Star Wars movies play the final scene without dialogue so yeah it works and is consistent thematically.
 
I bet we're gonna be seeing this kind of OP stuff by the time we go Trevorrow
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Good.

I'm not of the school of thought duels and Force powers should be toned down and as much like the OT as possible.

Gimme me more Force Jumps (Luke did it in Empire!), Force Pushes, Pulls, Grips and Lightning. All the goodness.

They just gotta make sure it's not overtly choreographed or theatrical. What I liked about TFA is that the duels looked like real fights. Finn and Rey fought ferociously for their lives. Ren was a whole lot more fanciful but he's an experienced swordsman and he had an aggressive edge to his swordplay that made him look legitimately dangerous and scary. His ostentatious displays were imbued with character. They weren't just there because the choreographer was told to choreograph a "cool looking sword fight."
 
there should be more new force things. there is no good reason at all to limit the uses of the force to those we have already seen, in fact it always struck me as obnoxiously stubborn that we see nothing of this nature in the prequels.
 
And for the record, put me in the camp that thought the plot was basically a total rehash but just executed differently. Giving the storm troopers personalities was really cool though. Didn't detract that it was an awesome movie but it certainly was not original.
 
Yes, Phasma bending over and turning down the shields made no sense. She'd be trained to just let herself be killed in that situation.

Really? Because I'm not aware of how they are actually trained. If they were trained to be so cavalier with their own lives that would actually not make much sense at all. The FO had already achieved victory. Why sacrifice her abilities and experience on the slim chance the fighters could do anything in the first place. The shield wasn't the only obstacle, in fact the Resistance was nearing defeat by the time they made the hole.

You really don't want your best and brightest sacrificing themselves in scenarios like that. I mean, maybe if they hadn't already got their first shot off I could see that.
 
To be fair to Phasma, Chewie only seems cute and cuddly to the characters that know him and viewers that love him.

He's a terrifying monster to everyone else.
 
Just got back from seeing this in IMAX 3D and it was an incredible experience. The new trio was wonderfully casted and they all have such great chemistry with each other. Every scene Finn and Rey or Finn and Poe shared together was a treat. Was on the edge of my seat for the entire third act, the forest fight scene was soooo good. Rey force snatching Luke's lightsaber from Kylo's bitch ass and showing him what's good was the hypest moment I've had in a theater this year. Was holding my breath during the last scene with Rey meeting up with Luke too, can't wait to see where they go with that in Ep 8.

And I know they worked to make Kylo pretty irredeemable by the end of this by having him kebab Daddy Solo but I wouldn't mind if they had him switch over to the light side by the end of the next movie. I just want Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo squad-ing up and going on a space road trip for Snoke in Ep 9 lol
 
Ok I'm not getting the love this movie is receiving.
Like it's basically episode 4: the Disney remake.
How did it review so well!?
Seriously someone who loves this movie please explain it to me.
 
there should be more new force things. there is no good reason at all to limit the uses of the force to those we have already seen, in fact it always struck me as obnoxiously stubborn that we see nothing of this nature in the prequels.

Totally. I think we're off to a good start with Kylo Ren. He freezes people, blaster bolts in mid air and does the mind probing on Poe/Rey (which Vader kind of did on Luke in Jedi but this was a new spin on it). I hope they don't go too crazy but just continue with the progression we've seen.

The prequels were just a total lack of imagination. I can't believe Lucas took the made up on the spot test he did with Luke and the welding shield on the Falcon and turned that into a standard part of Jedi training. C'mon dude.

Ok I'm not getting the love this movie is receiving.
Like it's basically episode 4: the Disney remake.
How did it review so well!?
Seriously someone who loves this movie please explain it to me.

Just read some of the thread. The character work in particular is superb in TFA.
 
i'd like to see this as well. a spear lightsaber would fit rey so much.
The top of her spear is a Maul-styled emitter from what I recall. So there are saber parts she has on that thing. That's one of the reasons everyone believes its Plagueis' staff, that and Serkis being seen with a staff during mo-cap.
 
there should be more new force things. there is no good reason at all to limit the uses of the force to those we have already seen, in fact it always struck me as obnoxiously stubborn that we see nothing of this nature in the prequels.
Well we did have that one scene where they had super speed in episode 1. Not to mention the powers were used way more liberally. The EU got way too ridiculous with the force powers imho. Had people phasing through walls and Jacen Solo commanding entire armies with just his mind. I mean what?

Ok I'm not getting the love this movie is receiving.
Like it's basically episode 4: the Disney remake.
How did it review so well!?
Seriously someone who loves this movie please explain it to me.
-The dialogue is the best it's ever been in a star wars film, (or the series in general).
-the new cast is incredibly charismatic and pretty much everyone nailed their roles
-they remembered that lightsaber fights aren't just about looking cool
-the humor was on point for a lot of the film
-the set pieces for the most part worked

It's a pretty great film, especially coming off the prequels, retreading some ground and then deliberately differentiating in a few key ways, (Rey is quite different from Luke) worked wonders.
 
Really? Because I'm not aware of how they are actually trained. If they were trained to be so cavalier with their own lives that would actually not make much sense at all. The FO had already achieved victory. Why sacrifice her abilities and experience on the slim chance the fighters could do anything in the first place. The shield wasn't the only obstacle, in fact the Resistance was nearing defeat by the time they made the hole.

You really don't want your best and brightest sacrificing themselves in scenarios like that. I mean, maybe if they hadn't already got their first shot off I could see that.

I don't know, in the OT Vader sacrificed quite a few pilots and their Tie Fighters when the tracking device had been placed on the Millennium Falcon. He sent them out to die just so Luke would have something to shoot at as they fled. Han knew it was too easy and that something else was up, Vader should have sensed that too but chose not to pull them back to safety once the ruse was up. The Empire/First Order don't have a high regard for life or individuality.
 
Ok I'm not getting the love this movie is receiving.
Like it's basically episode 4: the Disney remake.
How did it review so well!?
Seriously someone who loves this movie please explain it to me.

Most of all it's still fun movie regardless of it being a giant fan service rehash. The actors had charisma, the adventures and action were all fresh, it looked and sounded great. Different means to the same end but it was still a blast. We (my family) all enjoyed it a ton. Great movie we could all bond over.
 
I honestly love Poe Dameron, despite what orientation he may or may not be (tumblr's going crazy); it's completely irrelevant to me. Kinda sorta hoping he ends up being panromantic asexual, but again completely irrelevant and unneeded info to ever go further into.

Ok I'm not getting the love this movie is receiving.
Like it's basically episode 4: the Disney remake.
How did it review so well!?
Seriously someone who loves this movie please explain it to me.
I am not a Star Wars fan. I've seen the films and half of them are a fun watch, but nothing to go gaga over.

This film though? It's enjoyable, and it's actually really, really well-paced. It's almost as if they were trying to make a film that had something for everyone, and the succeeded. It also had great Secondary characters, like Phasma and Maz, and amazing moments like DROID PLEASE! and Kylo through a tantrum.

In short, this is actually the first great Star Wars movie.
 
Well damn, tumblr.


I love Rey's expression when she says "I've got to go back to Jakku?" like Finn is an idiot for not getting that.

Finn and Rey made sense given what they had been through but him and Poe was lol. I'm not even against it though really, I'd rather they just set up these relationships now so that we have the context for the sequels.

Also...I didn't notice how his story with both characters mirrored each other like that, kinda cool.
 
The one that went all ninja with his gun that could block a lightsaber? Loved that the stormtroopers weren't necessarily cannon fodder this time around. Giving them personalities was a great touch. The two turning surround when kylo was throwing a fit was fantastic.

Ooh haha the one that freed Rey, awesome. And I will drop my gun.
 
the one that freed rey.

The one Rey mind tricked, I think.

The one Rey used the Jedi Mind trick on

Oooh, neat.

The one that went all ninja with his gun that could block a lightsaber? Loved that the stormtroopers weren't necessarily cannon fodder this time around. Giving them personalities was a great touch. The two turning surround when kylo was throwing a fit was fantastic.

Yeah. I think it would've been funnier if the camera didn't zoom in, and they just turned around. Man, Kylo was such a punk with his temper tantrums.
 
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