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[Dubbedinenglish]

I'd be okay with him being a badass normal, as long as it's just an excuse to put him in way more action scenes and generally step up to be The Realest Dude. (I think/hope Abrams is going to be leery of overdoing it with Jedi vs. Sith battles due to the prequels.)

Personally I'm more interested in the idea of binary force heroes in this series. I'm more leery about them getting stuck in retreads if it's one Jedi following the same path as the OT (Luke) or the PT (Anakin and Padme). Having two Force users going through the awakening to Jedi gives a strong background to get away from the OT and has a different dynamic than the master/student of Obi-Wan and Anakin in the PT. Someone mentioned it here that Finn will ultimately be Rey's anchor to the light and I like that idea, I think that is far more interesting dynamic if they are both Jedi playing off each other in their journey.

 

[Meowster]

Part of me was like, oh mayne, they need to introduce her back into Episode 8... then I realize how old she would be, hype deflated.

Do they have the same lifespan as humans? I don't know if that has ever been clarified or not, I'd be just fine with seeing a mature and hardened Ahsoka enter the movies.

 

[sphagnum]

Do they have the same lifespan as humans? I don't know if that has ever been clarified or not, I'd be just fine with seeing a mature and hardened Ahsoka enter the movies.

I think it's pretty obvious that Vader is going to kill her...

 

[excelsiorlef]

Moments like that and the stumbling on the Millennium Falcon when they need a ship to escape remind me a lot of the ridiculous chance encounter with Kirk and Old Spock in the first Abrams Star Trek. That really ripped me out of Star Trek but with Star Wars, my suspension of disbelief goes a bit further. Force balancing and all that.

Yep exactly. It's why I said ST 09 was at the time the best Star Wars film since Jedi whilst simultaneously being am awful Star Trek film

 

[Meowster]

I think it's pretty obvious that Vader is going to kill her...

I haven't watched Rebels yet, I'm still catching up on Clone Wars, but I hope she doesn't but I wouldn't be shocked. Would love to see her stick around though.

 

[Squire]

That vision really is a disaster lol. What an incoherent mess.

It's a dream. There's no standard for coherency.

 

[Brakke]

You have to plot a course around large obstructions and gravity wells. So you can't just fly through a planet, star or nebula. In the EU there are ships that can generate artificial gravity wells that can pull ships out of Hyperspace and prevent ships from jumping into hyperspace as well.

Oh word. So realspace objects are reflected in hyperspace via gravity (at least)? I'll buy that.

When Black Team comes out of hyperspace to assault Starkiller, they do it pretty much immediately after the shield goes down. I figured they were "orbiting" the planet or running laps in "nearby" hyperspace or something.

It's a dream. There's no standard for coherency.

There is a clear standard for coherency: does it communicate anything at all? In this case the answer is basically "no". That's not a problem exactly: I like lots of dream fiction. This one seems to have wanted to communicate something, it just didn't succeed.

 

[Ragnorok64]

Do they have the same lifespan as humans? I don't know if that has ever been clarified or not, I'd be just fine with seeing a mature and hardened Ahsoka enter the movies.

According to the wiki they seem to have a similar lifespan to what humans do (94 years). She'd be like 66+ years old depending on when the next movie takes place.

 

[wowzors]

anybody else catch how rey dommed kylo with anger? Granted she meditated and went call but her swings were pure anger, there is darkness in her.

 

[The Librarian]

Yep exactly. It's why I said ST 09 was at the time the best Star Wars film since Jedi whilst simultaneously being am awful Star Trek film

Honestly, the only coincidence that bothers me is R2 waking up. The rest I can easily explain away.

 

[Ragnorok64]

Oh word. So realspace objects are reflected in hyperspace via gravity (at least)? I'll buy that.

When Black Team comes out of hyperspace to assault Starkiller, they do it pretty much immediately after the shield goes down. I figured they were "orbiting" the planet or running laps in "nearby" hyperspace or something.

Honestly the rules of Hyperspace seem to be getting rewritten on the fly, going by how they're being depicted in the movies. Hyperspace travel was a matter of plotting a series of jumps to get to your destination and traveling large galactic distances could take days. In the movies hyperspace travel moves at the speed of plot. If they ever show a ship jumping striaght to hyperspace from a planet's surface or gravitational sphere, then everything is out the window.

The EU has also had a weapon that could attack through Hyperspace. Centerpoint Station it did so through the use of gravity manipulation.

 

[Hawkian]

I wonder if the door to the room had a lock. Seems weird to have a lightsaber just lying around in some room without protection.

It did, or at least in my view of what happened down there, it clearly unlocks and opens in Rey's presence. It's a sealed door with (I think) red lights that turn to blue, and then it swings open- that's how she knows where the thing "calling to her" actually is

 

[Metalmarc]

According to the wiki they seem to have a similar lifespan to what humans do (94 years). She'd be like 66+ years old depending on when the next movie takes place.

Shed be older than luke i think, so more than 66 yeah

 

[Brakke]

anybody else catch how rey dommed kylo with anger? Granted she meditated and went call but her swings were pure anger, there is darkness in her.

Yeah in the book she definitely feels the hate flowing through her. In the movie she... meditates her way into anger? Not very cleanly communicated that she's angry. When she grounds Kylo she doesn't go in for a killing blow or anything, which I'dexpect a blinded-by-anger person to do.

Honestly the rules of Hyperspace seem to be getting rewritten on the fly, going by how they're being depicted in the movies. Hyperspace travel was a matter of plotting a series of jumps to get to your destination and traveling large galactic distances could take days. In the movies hyperspace travel moves at the speed of plot. If they ever show a ship jumping striaght to hyperspace from a planet's surface or gravitational sphere, then everything is out the window.

The EU has also had a weapon that could attack through Hyperspace. Centerpoint Station it did so through the use of gravity manipulation.

Yeah it's definitely a mess in the movie lol. I'm just curious if there was ever "grounded" hyperspace. I hate how weightless travel and distance are in this movie.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I'm pretty convinced that Rey will turn to Dark Side in VIII and Kylo Light Side. There are too many factors could trigger Rey's transition, such as learning that Luke is the father who left him on that planet or possible death of Finn (remember, attachment is banned in Jedi philosophy). She had been full of fear and anger just like Anakin when he was a little child.

On the other hand, Kylo always had -and still has a family and friends, there are still strong ties in him to Light Side. He's just being manipulated by Snoke and a possible death of Snoke (I expect this to be done by Rey) could severe all his ties to Dark side.

Best possible scenario for me:

- No first order, no Republic, whole Galaxy is in chaos
- Snoke, Rey and other Knights of Ren are on the loose
- Luke is unsure about Rey's training yet she is a powerful jedi even without a proper training
- Both are searching the whole galaxy for Ren and Snoke to end the chaos
- Luke thinks Ren can be saved. They meet, Luke defeats Ren and captures him. There is another Knight (just like Dooku in Ep 2) and Rey fights with him and gets defeated.
- Remnants of Republic fight a team of powerful gangsters and scroundels who are under Snoke's manipulation (they may deploy battle droids just like Trade Federation) and defeats them
- Ren unites with his mother and cries for his father. He helps them to find Snoke.
- Rey, Luke, Finn and Ren fight Knights of Ren and defeat them (they surrender) Snoke captures Finn, reveals the truth about Luke being Rey's father and kills Finn. Bursting with anger she kills Snoke. An apologetic Luke tries to calm down Rey but it's a lost cause, her transition to dark side complete.
- Rey escapes with surrendered Knights of Ren.
- Finn's Funeral. Ben and Leia together. Luke is devastated. The End.

I haven't thought much about IX but it'll be probably about Luke and Kylo trying to find a way to stop a furious Rey who is trying to reinstate a republic on her own with a little help from Knights of Ren. The beautiful part of the IX will be the difficulty to tell who is actually dark and who is light side.

This would flat out be the worst storyline this series could go down. They have not nearly set up Rey as close enough to the dark side and frankly the end of TFA has pulled Ren farther away from the light side. This would basically make TFA pointless: Ren basically forgiven, Rey evil after an entire movie setting her up as a naturally good person (despite the hand life has delt her) who for example gave up an insane amount of food to protect a Droid and Finn the first reformed Stormtrooper we've ever seen, a guy with plenty of great storyline potential left killed off just so Rey can go evil (whaaaat?).

Not to mention you just managed in one movie to change the leads from group made up of under-represented people who had great characters and storylines to yet another white male hero doing cool things.

No way should Kylo Ren get to be the good guy at all, let alone in the next movie right after he killed Han Solo.

 

[Metalmarc]

I'm pretty convinced that Rey will turn to Dark Side in VIII and Kylo Light Side. There are too many factors could trigger Rey's transition, such as learning that Luke is the father who left him on that planet or possible death of Finn (remember, attachment is banned in Jedi philosophy). She had been full of fear and anger just like Anakin when he was a little child.

On the other hand, Kylo always had -and still has a family and friends, there are still strong ties in him to Light Side. He's just being manipulated by Snoke and a possible death of Snoke (I expect this to be done by Rey) could severe all his ties to Dark side.

Best possible scenario for me:

- No first order, no Republic, whole Galaxy is in chaos
- Snoke, Rey and other Knights of Ren are on the loose
- Luke is unsure about Rey's training yet she is a powerful jedi even without a proper training
- Both are searching the whole galaxy for Ren and Snoke to end the chaos
- Luke thinks Ren can be saved. They meet, Luke defeats Ren and captures him. There is another Knight (just like Dooku in Ep 2) and Rey fights with him and gets defeated.
- Remnants of Republic fight a team of powerful gangsters and scroundels who are under Snoke's manipulation (they may deploy battle droids just like Trade Federation) and defeats them
- Ren unites with his mother and cries for his father. He helps them to find Snoke.
- Rey, Luke, Finn and Ren fight Knights of Ren and defeat them (they surrender) Snoke captures Finn, reveals the truth about Luke being Rey's father and kills Finn. Bursting with anger she kills Snoke. An apologetic Luke tries to calm down Rey but it's a lost cause, her transition to dark side complete.
- Rey escapes with surrendered Knights of Ren.
- Finn's Funeral. Ben and Leia together. Luke is devastated. The End.

I haven't thought much about IX but it'll be probably about Luke and Kylo trying to find a way to stop a furious Rey who is trying to reinstate a republic on her own with a little help from Knights of Ren. The beautiful part of the IX will be the difficulty to tell who is actually dark and who is light side.

Nah no offense but i dont see any of this being in it

 

[Ragnorok64]

Shed be older than luke i think, so more than 66 yeah

I'm just going by the wiki which say's she was born 36 years before the Battle of Yavin. This movie takes place 34 years after the battle of Yavin ( I thought it was 30) So I guess she'd be at least 70.

 

[MMarston]

I've always interpreted this as how RotS ended.

Won't really make sense considering the direction they were facing

 

[Gaz_RB]

I was pretty disappointed but I may have expected too much.

Rey and Finn were excellent, best part of the movie--it was the old stuff all around it that dragged it down for me. Han was great though.

 

[sphagnum]

Won't really make sense considering the direction they were facing

You know, I never really even thought about that.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Ahsoka showing up and telling Luke she's been doing this Jedi shit since before he was even a thought in his pa duke's head would be pretty hilarious.

[SPECULATION NOT SPOILER] But I think Ahsoka will die in Rebels

 

[excelsiorlef]

I was pretty disappointed but I may have expected too much.

Rey and Finn were excellent, best part of the movie--it was the old stuff all around it that dragged it down for me. Han was great though.

Sooo Leia's 5 minutes of screen time dragged it down into disappointment territory?

 

[Gaz_RB]

Sooo Leia's 5 minutes of screen time dragged it down into disappointment territory?

No?

 

[excelsiorlef]

No?

I'm curious now what you mean by old stuff.

Because Han was the biggest contributor of old stuff and you liked him.

 

[Pagusas]

Something that has bothered me while watching Rebels, we know there are more Jedi in the universe, even during the time of the OT, so why is Luke always refered to as the last of the Jedi? Why does no one ever step up?

 

[sphagnum]

Something that has bothered me while watching Rebels, we know there are more Jedi in the universe, even during the time of the OT, so why is Luke always refered to as the last of the Jedi? Why does no one ever step up?

There aren't any more Jedi. They're either apostates (for lack of a better term) or dead.

Kanan is pretty much going to die before the OT. Ezra, who knows. Filoni has talked about trying to come up an excuse about Luke being the "last of the Jedi" because he's the last that is trained in the ways of the Jedi Order, but I don't think they'll really go down that route in the end because everyone knows that would be a cop out to not find some other ending for Ezra's story.

 

[fastford58]

I think my favourite pre-release rumours were Kylo haez no force and Kylo is Luke.

Lols.

 

[18-Volt]

This would flat out be the worst storyline this series could go down. They have not nearly set up Rey as close enough to the dark side and frankly the end of TFA has pulled Ren farther away from the light side. This would basically make TFA pointless: Ren basically forgiven, Rey evil after an entire movie setting her up as a naturally good person (despite the hand life has delt her) who for example gave up an insane amount of food to protect a Droid and Finn the first reformed Stormtrooper we've ever seen, a guy with plenty of great storyline potential left killed off just so Rey can go evil (whaaaat?).

Not to mention you just managed in one movie to change the leads from group made up of under-represented people who had great characters and storylines to yet another white male hero doing cool things.

No way should Kylo Ren get to be the good guy at all, let alone in the next movie right after he killed Han Solo.

Kylo Ren staying as the ultimate baddie for all three movies would make him an awful Darth Vader clone. I don't think killing Han Solo means anything, as Anakin tried to kill Padme and Obi Wan (he did kill Kenobi later) yet he turned to dark side after he couldn't see his son in pain. Union with his mother can be the trigger he needs. Also there needs to be another climax Jedi duel in episode 8 and Rey vs Ren encore just sounds terrible. They don't have any connection between them like Luke/Vader had. Either his former master Luke will defeat him and capture him alive, or he will destroy his former master Luke. The latter would make the movie feel too much like Episode 4.

Finn seemed like a filler character of some sorts. Rey was an all in one character, a mixture of Luke, Leia and Anakin. Poe was the militaristic sides of Leia and Luke. Finn was nobody, more of a damsel-in-distress type of character. He could be the "anti-war, anti-violence" voice of the movie yet I don't think that would be effective enough. Force Awakens has already proved that this trilogy will be much darker than any movie, and I sure expect one of those three will die at some point.

As for Rey, just like Kylo won't be another Darth Vader, she won't be another Luke. Luke had grown up with a family, had friends (Biggs) and some place to call home, Rey didn't. The development of Rey will be very interesting as unlike Luke, she has nothing to fight for and only person she calls friend is Finn. She feels anger towards the family who left her alone and if Luke is really her father, things won't be pretty for Rey. Don't forget, Anakin was also "naturally good person" when he helped Qui Gon and Padme. Yet as yoda said, he was full of fear.

 

[Pagusas]

There aren't any more Jedi. They're either apostates (for lack of a better term) or dead.

Kanan is pretty much going to die before the OT. Ezra, who knows. Filoni has talked about trying to come up an excuse about Luke being the "last of the Jedi" because he's the last that is trained in the ways of the Jedi Order, but I don't think they'll really go down that route in the end because everyone knows that would be a cop out to not find some other ending for Ezra's story.

Killing Kanan would be surprising, and no way would they kill Ezra, too dark for the show.

 

[neurosyphilis]

Man I thought Finn was going to be the Jedi. It was happy like there is going to finally be a black Jedi main character. Mace doesn't count. He only had the lightsaber for a little while and he got his ass whopped with it, and knocked out for the rest of the damn movie. But from trailers/pictures they always show him with Luke's Lightsaber not Rey. But sure enough Rey is the Jedi and obviously Luke's daughter.

 

[Pagusas]

Man I thought Finn was going to be the Jedi. It was happy like there is goming to finally be a black Jedi main character. Mace doesn't count. He only had the lightsaber for a little while and he got his ass whopped with it, but from trailers/pictures they always show him with Luke's Lightsaber not Rey. But sure enough Rey is the Jedi and obviously Luke's daughter.

Why does Mace not count?

 

[oti]

You are a monster.

I smiled when he fell.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I would dig if Rey went dark side and Kylo light side. Killing han is bad, but even Anakin was redeemed by the end of the OT and he killed children.

And Rey going dark would be amazing. I want it so badly.

 

[Slime]

There aren't any more Jedi. They're either apostates (for lack of a better term) or dead.

Kanan is pretty much going to die before the OT. Ezra, who knows. Filoni has talked about trying to come up an excuse about Luke being the "last of the Jedi" because he's the last that is trained in the ways of the Jedi Order, but I don't think they'll really go down that route in the end because everyone knows that would be a cop out to not find some other ending for Ezra's story.

Yeah. I think the inevitable conclusion is that Kanan is killed and Ezra becomes a rebel soldier. They've already highlighted that as a possible path for him with his training under Rex.

Maybe he'll return as a Jedi in a post-ROTJ series or something, but I do think Filoni is committed to having no active Jedi by the time the series ends.

 

[sphagnum]

Killing Kanan would be surprising, and no way would they kill Ezra, too dark for the show.

That's what the books are for!

I fully expect that Ezra will end up becoming what would have previously been called a "gray Jedi", but in the new canon is just an unaligned Force user, like Ahsoka. This way he can survive without treading on Luke's territory. Although if that happens, I would think the possibility of Luke and Ezra meeting while both fighting for the Rebellion would be too irresistible for some writers to pass up.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I would dig if Rey went dark side and Kylo light side. Killing han is bad, but even Anakin was redeemed by the end of the OT and he killed children.

And Rey going dark would be amazing. I want it so badly.

30 years. And his redemption was death.

Why are so many people obsessed with Rey going evil. There is absolutely nothing in the movie that points to that.

 

[neurosyphilis]

Why does Mace not count?

I don't consider him a main character like Finn is.

 

[The Librarian]

I would dig if Rey went dark side and Kylo light side. Killing han is bad, but even Anakin was redeemed by the end of the OT and he killed children.

And Rey going dark would be amazing. I want it so badly.

 

[Ether_Snake]

30 years. And his redemption was death.

Why are so many people obsessed with Rey going evil. There is absolutely nothing in the movie that points to that.

The poster gives a hint of it, Rey is already tempted by the dark side in her first fight against Kylo, she has a sentimental attachment to the family who abandoned her and probably Han who just got killed, Finn appears to be force sensitive, and the original trailer had the line that the force awakened "both the light and the dark". That dialogue about the force awakening is specifically about Rey, but that line was cut, so it's possible it was too revealing.

 

[18-Volt]

30 years. And his redemption was death.

Why are so many people obsessed with Rey going evil. There is absolutely nothing in the movie that points to that.

There are. She hates her parents. Even Maz Kanata says that there is fear in him. Plus attachment is also a path to dark side, finale pretty much shows that there will be something between Rey and Finn.

 

[The Librarian]

30 years. And his redemption was death.

Why are so many people obsessed with Rey going evil. There is absolutely nothing in the movie that points to that.

*last female protagonist in the last, previously released Star Wars film, Revenge of the Sith, spent the entire time sitting around while pregnant*
*first awesome, female Jedi protagonist in the newest film*

many male fans: lol lets have her go to the dark side

 

[The Adder]

Anyone else read Ben stopping that blaster bolt as a sign of weakness, real or imagined.

Vader gets shot at, he raises a hand and bounces the shots away.

Ben gets shot at and he has to stop it cold. At first that seems like an impressive feat, but on further examination, doesn't that seem like a huge waste of effort.

It gave me the sense, upon second viewing, that he either lacked the power to so easily deflect Poe's shot, or at the very least, lacked the confidence to try.

 

[commish]

*last female protagonist in the last, previously released Star Wars film, Revenge of the Sith, spent the entire time sitting around while pregnant*
*first awesome, female Jedi protagonist in the newest film*

many male fans: lol lets have her go to the dark side

*sigh*

I wish so many people weren't making every post about Rey about her sex.

 

[BumRush]

Anyone else read Ben stopping that blaster bolt as a sign of weakness, real or imagined.

Vader gets shot at, he raises a hand and bounces the shots away.

Ben gets shot at and he has to stop it cold. At first that seems like an impressive feat, but on further examination, doesn't that seem like a huge waste of effort.

It gave me the sense, upon second viewing, that he either lacked the power to so easily deflect Poe's shot, or at the very least, lacked the confidence to try.

Didn't he hold it so he could release it when they were done wiping out the villagers to blow shit up?

 

[excelsiorlef]

The poster gives a hint of it, Rey is already tempted by the dark side in her first fight against Kylo, she has a sentimental attachment to the family who abandoned her and probably Han who just got killed, Finn appears to be force sensitive, and the original trailer had the line that the force awakened "both the light and the dark".

Tempted if she even was (and there was not much if any of it in the movie itself) is hardly setting up full dark, let alone in the next movie.

There is fucking nothing in this film that says look out folks Rey is going to be the villain and Ren the hero in the next movie.

Why on earth some people want to see the guy who killed Han Solo become the hero of this series boggles my mind, especially at the expense of all the character development of Rey and Finn.

 

[idwl]

So do they usually have extended editions of star wars movies once they're released on dvd/bluray?
I watched it for the 2nd time today. I've watched all the movies but never considered myself a fan exactly, but damn do I want more.

 

[Boke1879]

anybody else catch how rey dommed kylo with anger? Granted she meditated and went call but her swings were pure anger, there is darkness in her.

I really noticed this on my 3rd watch. Her swings were wild. Very reminiscent of Luke in Jedi.

 

[The Librarian]

*sigh*

I wish so many people weren't making every post about Rey about her sex.

Why? If you were a woman and had to live with your sex being continuously underrepresented in films, you wouldn't have posted this.

 

[Ragnorok64]

I would dig if Rey went dark side and Kylo light side. Killing han is bad, but even Anakin was redeemed by the end of the OT and he killed children.

And Rey going dark would be amazing. I want it so badly.

I'm sure Finn would like it if Rey went dark as well. *wink wink nudge nudge, know-what-I-mean*

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Tempted if she even was (and there was not much if any of it in the movie itself) is hardly setting up full dark, let alone in the next movie.

There is fucking nothing in this film that says look out folks Rey is going to be the villain and Ren the hero in the next movie.

Why on earth some people want to see the guy who killed Han Solo become the hero of this series boggles my mind, especially at the expense of all the character development of Rey and Finn.

It would be much more interesting