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[Borman]

I think who's face Rey turns into (kind of) is the person who she is seeing what happened to. No idea who he is, but I don't think it's Snoke. Looks like it's telling us Kylo kills him. But strangely enough, the dude Kylo killed also seemed to be about to kill him. Maybe he gets captured or kidnapped.

Maybe it is Snoke but whatever it's weird. This happens to fast, on blu-ray someone will be able to take a good pic. Might even just be a weird optical illusion but people who looked for this after seeing the movie again say it's obvious in theater when you pay attention.

Also the ship that leaves Rey behind almost looks like the falcon, a little bit.

My theory is it is the old dude on Jakku.

 

[Toxi]

When StarKiller base blew up those planets. They were all in the same system. You can certainly see planets in the sky within your own system. The geometry of the system also may have been different than our own, so they could totally be closer together. That shot works fine.

It's literally shooting a Sun, so why is it surprising that they could see that in the sky? I've looked up at our planets with my naked eye.

The scale problem here is that the explosions were visible from Takodana, which was not in the same solar system.

 

[Ether_Snake]

So I've been out of the thread for a bit, do we have any new hard info on plot details? Anything major we've gleaned from Rey's force visions?

Confirmed by Pablo Hidalgo to be something that happened a few years earlier (so not when Rey was a kid, therefore didn't actually involve Rey).

And when you take that into consideration it removes pretty much any hint that Rey was once related to Luke or that she got her memory wiped out.

My theory is it is the old dude on Jakku.

Why? He didn't die when the knights were there, and it doesn't explain why Kylo would save this person from being killed by someone else. Plus it looks kind of alien-ish.

edit: When we see Luke in her vision, we hear young Rey yell either "mama" or "papa" or "come back", but if it's the later it's not exactly the same than when we really hear her say "come back" later in the vision.

 

[Obliterator]

Confirmed by Pablo Hidalgo to be something that happened a few years earlier (so not when Rey was a kid, therefore didn't actually involve Rey).

And when you take that into consideration it removes pretty much any hint that Rey was once related to Luke or that she got her memory wiped out.

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Well damn thats interesting. Do we think / know why exactly R2 was in the low power state? Was it due to grief from being separated from Luke or did Luke himself purposely put him in that state?

 

[Imperfected]

Anyone else read Ben stopping that blaster bolt as a sign of weakness, real or imagined.

Vader gets shot at, he raises a hand and bounces the shots away.

Ben gets shot at and he has to stop it cold. At first that seems like an impressive feat, but on further examination, doesn't that seem like a huge waste of effort.

It gave me the sense, upon second viewing, that he either lacked the power to so easily deflect Poe's shot, or at the very least, lacked the confidence to try.

I feel more like it's something any sufficiently powerful Force user could do, but they don't because it's more Force-intensive than just slowing a bolt down enough to swat it aside or move out of the way, and under normal circumstances the person shooting at them could just keep firing anyway.

Kind of like he was burning up an unnecessary amount of energy for pure intimidation factor. So, I guess you could call it a sign of weakness in confidence if nothing else, in that he feels he needs the extra "showmanship" to "sell" himself as the big bad, when Vader was generally content to let his raw presence do the intimidating for him.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Well damn thats interesting. Do we think / know why exactly R2 was in the low power state? Was it due to grief from being separated from Luke or did Luke himself purposely put him in that state?

Hmm I think C3PO tells as much as we know but I forget what exactly. We don't even know how he got separated from Luke. C3PO makes it sound like trauma.

 

[Obliterator]

Hmm I think C3PO tells as much as we know but I forget what exactly. We don't even know how he got separated from Luke. C3PO makes it sound like trauma.

I don't think its ever said why, just that he's been in a low power state since he was separated from Luke.

 

[ryseing]

Does she have to be a Kenobi or a Skywalker?

Yes, because SW is ultimately a family drama about the most powerful family in the galaxy.

 

[Boke1879]

I don't think its ever said why, just that he's been in a low power state since he was separated from Luke.

That is why. The way 3PO says it. It makes is seem like R2 is sad/upset that Luke is gone.

 

[Doctoglethorpe]

I thought there was official word from someone involved with the film that R2 begins the wake up the moment BB8 talks to him but that because he was in low power mode for so long it took the entire last 3rd of the movie for him to power back up?

Edit: Kinda



http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/2...-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens

Ehh, man thats a real lame copout. The movie doesnt imply this at all. They could of easily like, showed a light flicker or something at the end of the first scene to hint it. Something.

This is such a lame answer it makes me want to believe theyre throwing a red herring now.

 

[bengraven]

I want to see Rey's dream again. I barely heard Kenobi and never did hear what Yoda says.

Rakata Prime


HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH

I saw that and was like "Knights of the Old Republic is now canon".

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

This is such a lame answer it makes me want to believe theyre throwing a red herring now.

I think this is exactly what it is.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Ehh, man thats a real lame copout. The movie doesnt imply this at all. They could of easily like, showed a light flicker or something at the end of the first scene to hint it. Something.

This is such a lame answer it makes me want to believe theyre throwing a red herring now.

Yes absolutely, slow zoom, light flickers a bit, cut to another scene.

People have to accept some stuff in this movie was just poorly done. It's a JJ Abrams movie, same problems as in ST. Not everything is a mystery, some are just poorly written bits of story.

 

[robotrock]

In Disney Infinity 3.0 Rey is inbetween Luke and Leia on the character unlock screen....

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Maybe I'm wrong because I don't think I remember it perfectly, but I assumed R2 woke up because he sensed Luke's lightsaber. We know he was able to detect stuff before. But I don't know, maybe it makes no sense.

 

[Boke1879]

I think this is exactly what it is.

I don't know how R2 would even sense this, but I believe Rey has some sort of connection to Luke. When they leave Starkiller and Rey lands where the resistance base is that when R2 wakes up because he "senses" Luke in Rey?

Again I don't know how he would even be able to do that. But yea that's probably the biggest issue with the movie. But honestly I'll let it slide.

 

[crimzonflame]

Yes, because SW is ultimately a family drama about the most powerful family in the galaxy.

oh yeah I keep forgetting this, but why keep it hidden?

 

[Doctoglethorpe]

Maybe I'm wrong because I don't think I remember it perfectly, but I assumed R2 woke up because he sensed Luke's lightsaber. We know he was able to detect stuff before. But I don't know, maybe it makes no sense.

Finn had it earlier, and hes in the room with him, so nope.

 

[XAL]

I think who's face Rey turns into (kind of) is the person who she is seeing what happened to. No idea who he is, but I don't think it's Snoke. Looks like it's telling us Kylo kills him. But strangely enough, the dude Kylo killed also seemed to be about to kill him. Maybe he gets captured or kidnapped.

Maybe it is Snoke but whatever it's weird. This happens to fast, on blu-ray someone will be able to take a good pic. Might even just be a weird optical illusion but people who looked for this after seeing the movie again say it's obvious in theater when you pay attention.

Also the ship that leaves Rey behind almost looks like the falcon, a little bit.

huh

What is all this about "face turning into someone else?" I just rewatched it and saw nothing to indicate that.

The ship that leaves rey behind looks nothing like the falcon, it looks kind of like a rebel transport. (symmetrical structure)

 

[Ether_Snake]

huh

What is all this about "face turning into someone else?" I just rewatched it and saw nothing to indicate that.

It happens quickly, see the picture above. Like I said, I'll wait till we get a screen cap on bluray, right now it does look like her face changes during a flash. I took that screen myself but obviously the quality is horrible.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Finn had it earlier, and hes in the room with him, so nope.

Right, so nevermind that.

 

[Brakke]

If you're theory conflicts with experiment and observation then it must be wrong.

I actually basically agree with this impulse but also sometimes a thing in a film is just poor craftsmanship.

Maybe I'm wrong because I don't think I remember it perfectly, but I assumed R2 woke up because he sensed Luke's lightsaber. We know he was able to detect stuff before. But I don't know, maybe it makes no sense.

Nah. Finn has the lightsaber on him when they make the plan to go after Starkiller. It's even the same room that R2 is in I think.

 

[Brakke]

In Disney Infinity 3.0 Rey is inbetween Luke and Leia on the character unlock screen....

 

[XAL]

It happens quickly, see the picture above. Like I said, I'll wait till we get a screen cap on bluray, right now it does look like her face changes during a flash. I took that screen myself but obviously the quality is horrible.

It still looks like Rey to me...female, same dress.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Anyone else read Ben stopping that blaster bolt as a sign of weakness, real or imagined.

Vader gets shot at, he raises a hand and bounces the shots away.

Ben gets shot at and he has to stop it cold. At first that seems like an impressive feat, but on further examination, doesn't that seem like a huge waste of effort.

It gave me the sense, upon second viewing, that he either lacked the power to so easily deflect Poe's shot, or at the very least, lacked the confidence to try.

Doesn't Vader have two robotic arms?

 

[matt05891]

Second time watching it I felt it was way better. Usually I find flaws in movies I watch twice but I just found more details fleshed out and had a much better experience all around. I actually like Kylo Rens character and agree with the casting decision unlike the first time. He really did a good job.

 

[140.85]

Does it really matter if R2 woke up when he did? Obviously Luke powered him down. If they delayed his boot-up for dramatic effect so that something could keep the story moving after Han died, so what? They went for the more classical storytelling device of a long lost friend returning at a dire moment. I understand if it might be cliched to some, but I thought it worked fine. These films have always been based on classical and cliched structures anyway.

 

[JaseMath]

What is this? I've seen the movie twice but don't remember this at all.

 

[co1onel]

Well damn thats interesting. Do we think / know why exactly R2 was in the low power state? Was it due to grief from being separated from Luke or did Luke himself purposely put him in that state?

The "visual dictionary" says that R2D2 is in a self imposed low power state to organize his data from decades of uninterrupted functioning. Also says that he is reliving many of his memories in a dreamlike state.

 

[Ether_Snake]

What is this? I've seen the movie twice but don't remember this at all.

Happens extremely fast, in a flash at the end. One Gaffer said he paid attention to this on his second viewing in theater and said it was obvious, but my guess right now remains that it's a compression glitch in the capture. I haven't seen the movie a 2nd time so I can't say I saw it. I took this screen on a youtube video of the vision, but someone else had done the same a few days ago.

 

[XAL]

What is this? I've seen the movie twice but don't remember this at all.

It's Rey during her force vision of the past and the future in the scene where the Knights of Ren just finished killing all of Luke's Jedi trainees just as it transitions into Rey as a child looking up at the ship that left her on Jakku.

People are saying her face morphs into someone else, it doesn't.

Here is a closer look at the ship that leaves her, definitely not the Falcon.

 

[HawksWinStanley]

Just saw it for the first time tonight. Overall I was impressed that they were able to pull it off. Good flick.

I really like what they're doing with Ren's character. The dude is clearly flawed and shows emotion without coming across as pathetic like Anakin.

The only thing that made me roll my eyes was how Rey was able to outduel Ren out of nowhere. Her ability to match him force for force is one thing but being able to whip out these saber skills without any indication of any prior training was super lame. I know the dude was hurt but she was able to pull off some impressive moves for someone who has never handled a light saber before and I hate when movies do that.

It should've been impressive enough that she could fend him off til the ground split but actually besting him and having him at her mercy was lame. Everybody seems to really like her character but I was bored by her. Finn and Kylo stole the show for me. Very believable and interesting characters.

Great performances all around too.

 

[watershed]

Lol, I never heard the theory that Rey's face morphs! It definitely does not. I am as certain of that as I am that the ship that flies away is nothing like the Falcon.

I read some speculation that Rey is Palpatine's daughter, and it wasn't joke speculation. Sometimes fans reach for too much.

 

[Slime]

The "visual dictionary" says that R2D2 is in a self imposed low power state to organize his data from decades of uninterrupted functioning. Also says that he is reliving many of his memories in a dreamlike state.

Plot twist

Spoiler

/headcanon

: the PT we saw is R2's nightmare version of what really happened.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Lol, I never heard the theory that Rey's face morphs! It definitely does not.

Same thing happened with Man of Steel. It comes from people using low-res Cam rips as speculation fuel.

 

[XAL]

The only thing that made me roll my eyes was how Rey was able to outduel Ren out of nowhere. Her ability to match him force for force is one thing but being able to whip out these saber skills without any indication of any prior training was super lame. I know the dude was hurt but she was able to pull off some impressive moves for someone who has never handled a light saber before and I hate when movies do that.

It should've been impressive enough that she could fend him off til the ground split but actually besting him and having him at her mercy was lame. Everybody seems to really like her character but I was bored by her. Finn and Kylo stole the show for me.

She fended for herself as a scavenger for like ~10+ years. Displayed earlier in the movie that she could defend herself well with a staff. Jumping from well versed in staff to sword , or large stick to smaller stick is not an unrealistic one to believe.

Kylo was injured (bowcaster shot to the flank), just killed his father (in the book it says he felt conflicted about it after), arm injured by Finn with a lightsaber. He was also instructed to take her alive by Snoke if I'm not mistaken, or he at least demonstrated of bringing her into the fold by not killing her.

 

[Aselith]

In Disney Infinity 3.0 Rey is inbetween Luke and Leia on the character unlock screen....

 

[HawksWinStanley]

She fended for herself as a scavenger for like ~10+ years. Displayed earlier in the movie that she could defend herself well with a staff. Jumping from well versed in staff to sword , or large stick to smaller stick is not an unrealistic one to believe.

Kylo was injured (bowcaster shot to the flank), just killed his father (in the book it says he felt conflicted about it after), arm injured by Finn with a lightsaber. He was also instructed to take her alive by Snoke if I'm not mistaken, or he at least demonstrated of bringing her into the fold by not killing her.

Fair enough. Admittedly I forgot about the scuffle on Jakku so she does have some skills. I was focusing too much on handling a saber. So not completely unbelievable but still made me roll my eyes a bit. Maybe Ren just isn't that great with a saber to start with?

 

[140.85]

She fended for herself as a scavenger for like ~10+ years. Displayed earlier in the movie that she could defend herself well with a staff. Jumping from well versed in staff to sword , or large stick to smaller stick is not an unrealistic one to believe.

Kylo was injured (bowcaster shot to the flank), just killed his father (in the book it says he felt conflicted about it after), arm injured by Finn with a lightsaber. He was also instructed to take her alive by Snoke if I'm not mistaken, or he at least demonstrated of bringing her into the fold by not killing her.

Not to mention Ren is not fully trained.

 

[Pagusas]

Plot twist

Spoiler

/headcanon

: the PT we saw is R2's nightmare version of what really happened.

Lol I love this! I had a theory once that the PT was just a dramatic re-intactment of events done during a post-empire Renaissance period. Episode 7 could have started with our heroes walking out of a theater on Coresant laughing.

 

[140.85]

The "visual dictionary" says that R2D2 is in a self imposed low power state to organize his data from decades of uninterrupted functioning. Also says that he is reliving many of his memories in a dreamlike state.

He's defragging, lol

 

[watershed]

Just saw it for the first time tonight. Overall I was impressed that they were able to pull it off. Good flick.

I really like what they're doing with Ren's character. The dude is clearly flawed and shows emotion without coming across as pathetic like Anakin.

The only thing that made me roll my eyes was how Rey was able to outduel Ren out of nowhere. Her ability to match him force for force is one thing but being able to whip out these saber skills without any indication of any prior training was super lame. I know the dude was hurt but she was able to pull off some impressive moves for someone who has never handled a light saber before and I hate when movies do that.

It should've been impressive enough that she could fend him off til the ground split but actually besting him and having him at her mercy was lame. Everybody seems to really like her character but I was bored by her. Finn and Kylo stole the show for me. Very believable and interesting characters.

Great performances all around too.

I thought the movie made it very clear that Snoke said "bring her to me" meaning don't kill her which is why Kylo was pushing her back but not actually trying to hurt her during their duel. Literally, he was not trying to mess her up like he did Finn. Not only that, but he was clearly winning until they clash, he says he can teach her, Rey lets the force guide her, and she proceeds to mess him up. Clearly she is stronger at that point because of the force but also because Kylo is injured. Prior to that, Rey was not winning the duel and the whole time Kylo was not trying to hurt Rey. In fact it looked like they made some of her swings intentionally awkward, especially how she thrusts her lightsaber forward.

 

[Brakke]

Not to mention Ren is not fully trained.

why do people ever bring this up. rey is not even almost trained. kylo's been running around doing force stuff for like a decade.

 

[Silphonica]

Just rewatching revenge of the sith now.


The council not realising Palpatine's trap as a nail in the coffin when suggesting Anakin to lead the assault on Grievous was a huge mistake on the Jedi's part. The straw that broke the camel's back of Anakin's commitment of transition in that moment right there, totally under appreciated I feel.

Movie rankings.

ESB > TFA > RotJ > RotS > ANH> TPM >>>>>>>>>>> AotC (couldnt even finish a second viewing).

It's ok, anally penetrate me if you want.

 

[Shadow_Lord]

Has this scene been cut from the movie? Haven't seen it in both my viewings

https://youtu.be/OMOVFvcNfvE?t=51

 

[Bobby Roberts]

why do people ever bring this up.

Because Snoke himself says his training isn't complete. Hence not "fully trained."

Also the level of his competency is murky. he's got two new Force Powers, but he's also, since Luke's been gone, had a severe lack of opponents to test himself against. There's a power vaccuum that he and Snoke occupied, really. They don't have to be THAT strong. Certainly not Emperor/Vader strong.

That doesn't make them pushovers (though I think Snoke is fronting) but it doesn't mean Snoke is some sort of Palpatine-level genius, or that Kylo really knows what he's doing. I think it's obvious he doesn't. It's why he's so desperate. It's why he talks to the burnt mask of his dead grandfather.

 

[Einchy]

Has this scene been cut from the movie? Haven't seen it in both my viewings

https://youtu.be/OMOVFvcNfvE?t=51

Yes and no.

It still happens but it's off screen, when this scene happens in the final movie we're looking at Rey and she hears the Lightsaber being turned on.

 

[HawksWinStanley]

I thought the movie made it very clear that Snoke said "bring her to me" meaning don't kill her which is why Kylo was pushing her back but not actually trying to hurt her during their duel. Literally, he was not trying to mess her up like he did Finn. Not only that, but he was clearly winning until they clash, he says he can teach her, Rey lets the force guide her, and she proceeds to mess him up. Clearly she is stronger at that point because of the force but also because Kylo is injured. Prior to that, Rey was not winning the duel and the whole time Kylo was not trying to hurt Rey. In fact it looked like they made some of her swings intentionally awkward, especially how she thrusts her lightsaber forward.

I'll definitely need to watch it again. As soon as she overpowered him with the force pull for the saber I think I already had a bad taste in my mouth because I knew they'd give her some ungodly abilities to be able to beat somebody who has been trained in the force and clearly a light saber regardless of injuries.

I wasn't keeping track of who was getting in the best shots so if Ren had her on the ropes for most of the fight I'll take your guys' word for it. Like I said I definitely need to see it again. I was hoping for a Vader vs. Luke in Empire type of fight and instead I got the Jedi version. Maybe that's my own fault.

 

[GhaleonEB]

why do people ever bring this up. rey is not even almost trained. kylo's been running around doing force stuff for like a decade.

It's one point on a long list of reasons why the fight plays out the way it does. But it matters in large part because TFA goes to pains to point it out, and emphasize the fact that Kylo is not trained, and then demonstrates that through his actions. I think it becomes even more clear if you expand the idea of 'training' to include more than just sword fighting. In the film Snoke refers to Kylo facing Han as his greatest "test", and Kylo says "by the grace of your training" he'll succeed. There's more to his training than just swinging a lightsaber and force powers.

Kylo's cocky fight with Finn, leading to him getting injured before he smacks Finn down hard, is an illustration of this. And the way he 1) gives Rey an opening and 2) gets overwhelmed when she focuses on the Force are also mistakes of one not fully prepared for that kind of a conflict. He was not trained for that kind of a fight.

He was a much better swordsman than Rey, but he lost for other reasons. (The rematch is going to be amazeballs.)

 

[Nostremitus]

It's Rey during her force vision of the past and the future in the scene where the Knights of Ren just finished killing all of Luke's Jedi trainees just as it transitions into Rey as a child looking up at the ship that left her on Jakku.

People are saying her face morphs into someone else, it doesn't.

Here is a closer look at the ship that leaves her, definitely not the Falcon.

Kind of looks like a Stormtrooper dropship from the beginning of the film...