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[Lamel]

I like the more occult part of SW, especially the obsessive Sith from The Old Republic era with their dark temples, rituals and ancient relics.

I agree, I really was interested in the sith from the old republic; dudes were legit scary.

 

[BocoDragon]

Kylo Ren is essentially Anakin done right.

Anakin in the prequels was just an annoying brat who did a completely unrealistic switch from good to child-murdering evil because his master wouldn't give him a promotion.

Kylo is an actual conflicted young man who struggles to control his emotions (see whenever he gets angry and destroys shit with his lightsaber) and needed one final test to choose his destiny: to kill or not to kill his father. Also, I liked the whole twist on temptation. Being tempted by good is something I've rarely seen in fiction, if ever. It makes you understand that, from Kylo's point of view, he's the good guy, and everyone on the light side of the Force just 'succumbed' to the light side.

That doesn't mean he's done perfectly in my book: I wish we knew more about how his mind got twisted into thinking that murdering his father was the right thing to do to stop the pain. I wager we'll learn more about his training by Snoke in Episode VIII or IX.

(I hate Snoke though, he looks like ass. Palpy forever)

It kind of bothers me that those who fall to the Sith tend to be like teenagers who can't control their rage... but I guess that ship sailed a decade ago. It was maybe even implied by Luke's burst of rage in ROTJ.

I once thought Star Wars villains were about shrewd and calculating power seekers... but more often than not, it seems like people who need an anger management seminar

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Servants of the Empire: The Secret Academy. Hux sets up the initial "class" for the foundation of his new project in that book. Which, when you think about it, is kind of weird, because the implication is that he's going to have these top level students impregnate each other to create the first generation of Stormtrooper babies for him to indoctrinate.

That's some Nazi shit right there.

 

[sphagnum]

That's some Nazi shit right there.

The students who he picks for his "commandant track" are the most ruthless students who murder other students to prove their worth. They have secret meetings in a secluded tower called "Area Null", which is the same tower that the Inquisitors test/torture kidnapped Force-sensitive cadets in to see if they can be of future use to the emperor.

Kind of a weird book.

 

[Boke1879]

Yeah Snoke is by far the weakest thing about TFA. It's why I hope they just reveal him to bea Wizard of Oz type guy and Ren takes him out to assume control.

Agreed, but he's also the greatest enigma going forward as well. Gotta see where they take his character. No doubt his backstory gets a bit fleshed out. But I do think Kylo kills him by the end of 8 though.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Kylo Ren is essentially Anakin done right.

Anakin in the prequels was just an annoying brat who did a completely unrealistic switch from good to child-murdering evil because his master wouldn't give him a promotion.

Kylo is an actual conflicted young man who struggles to control his emotions (see whenever he gets angry and destroys shit with his lightsaber) and needed one final test to choose his destiny: to kill or not to kill his father. Also, I liked the whole twist on temptation. Being tempted by good is something I've rarely seen in fiction, if ever. It makes you understand that, from Kylo's point of view, he's the good guy, and everyone on the light side of the Force just 'succumbed' to the light side.

That doesn't mean he's done perfectly in my book: I wish we knew more about how his mind got twisted into thinking that murdering his father was the right thing to do to stop the pain. I wager we'll learn more about his training with Snoke in Episode VIII or IX.

(I hate Snoke though, he looks like ass. Palpy forever!)

I think it was well explained. In the OT Luke keeps saying there is still good in Vader, and at the end he tells Luke he was right. Ben feels the same, and Snoke feels it too, and Snoke tells him killing Han will extinguish the remaining light in him, which is illustrated when he kills him.

Hence why I think Kylo is never coming back to the light side. Vader never actually went all the way evil, good was still in him. Kylo got rid of it.

 

[Kilrogg]

It kind of bothers me that those who fall to the Sith tend to be like teenagers who can't control their rage... but I guess that ship sailed a decade ago. It was maybe even implied by Luke's burst of rage in ROTJ.

I once thought Star Wars villains were about shrewd and calculating power seekers... but more often than not, it seems like people who need an anger management seminar

I know where you're coming from, and I agree. In my mind, there could be a variety of ways one could fall to the dark side. And Anakin's should definitely not have been the 'angry insecure teen' way. His fall should have been much more tragic, like a desperate choice that meant life or death for him or his loved one(s). The character of Darth Vader doesn't work otherwise. But if it had to be a fall rooted in insecurity, then it should have been more similar to Kylo's.

For Kylo, it works. It just sucks that, as you said, both he and Anakin had essentially the same problem.

 

[Rixxan]

Sure this has been posted SOMEWHERE within these massive threads

but what are some of the moments that choked you up, gave you a tingling of feels (if any)?

 

[Boke1879]

One part that always got me on me watches of this. Is when Maz takes Rey's hand and tells her "deep down you know the truth. The people you're waiting on are never coming back". And Rey immediately cries. She knew the truth. Was just mentally tricking herself that someone would come back for her.

I'm a sucker for that shit.


Lol wow the timing on my response.

 

[Cow Mengde]

One part that always got me on me watches of this. Is when Maz takes Rey's hand and tells her "deep down you know the truth. The people you're waiting on are never coming back". And Rey immediately cries. She knew the truth. Was just mentally tricking herself that someone would come back for her.

I'm a sucker for that shit.

Yeah, it was really sad. That alone was enough for me to want to see where they're take her character.

 

[Ether_Snake]

The students who he picks for his "commandant track" are the most ruthless students who murder other students to prove their worth. They have secret meetings in a secluded tower called "Area Null", which is the same tower that the Inquisitors test/torture kidnapped Force-sensitive cadets in to see if they can be of future use to the emperor.

Kind of a weird book.

Uh, that sounds like the vision with Kylo. Would explain why the guy who gets killed looks like a knight, why that guy was about to kill someone else, why that guy gets killed by Kylo, and why it looks like Kylo then kills whoever he saved.

Maybe that scene showed us a scene like the one you describe. It's a Battle Royal.

 

[The Librarian]

Sure this has been posted SOMEWHERE within these massive threads

but what are some of the moments that choked you up, gave you a tingling of feels (if any)?

When Rey grabs the lightsaber.

One part that always got me on me watches of this. Is when Maz takes Rey's hand and tells her "deep down you know the truth. The people you're waiting on are never coming back". And Rey immediately cries. She knew the truth. Was just mentally tricking herself that someone would come back for her.

I'm a sucker for that shit.

And this.

 

[TAJ]

I'm pretty sure they say it drains the entire sun in the movie.

Even if it didn't, draining half the sun would have a profound effect on the planet's ecosystem and it would make everything darker, which it doesn't seem to.

They don't just say that. They show it draining an entire star.

 

[Jeffolation]

Sure this has been posted SOMEWHERE within these massive threads

but what are some of the moments that choked you up, gave you a tingling of feels (if any)?

The last time Han and Leia speak to each other. Anything Chewie post the thing that happens. And when Rey lands on the island and looks back and R2-D2 does it's little bouncing thing. Not sure why on that one.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

I think it was well explained. In the OT Luke keeps saying there is still good in Vader, and at the end he tells Luke he was right. Ben feels the same, and Snoke feels it too, and Snoke tells him killing Han will extinguish the remaining light in him, which is illustrated when he kills him.

Hence why I think Kylo is never coming back to the light side. Vader never actually went all the way evil, good was still in him. Kylo got rid of it.

Leia is still alive. There is still hope for Kylo IMO.

 

[BocoDragon]

I know where you're coming from, and I agree. In my mind, there could be a variety of ways one could fall to the dark side. And Anakin's should definitely not have been the 'angry insecure teen' way. His fall should have been much more tragic, like a desperate choice that meant life or death for him or his loved one(s). The character of Darth Vader doesn't work otherwise.

But for Kylo, it works. It just sucks that, as you said, both he and Anakin had essentially the same problem.

I think I can agree. When the child of one of the original cast falls to the dark side, I can see it appropriately being some rather adolescent issues with rage and pride. That's a coming of age hurdle for children that many of us can relate to.

But Vader was introduced to us as a fearless badass... it kind of undercut his menace to see that he turned evil over petulant control issues.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

One part that always got me on me watches of this. Is when Maz takes Rey's hand and tells her "deep down you know the truth. The people you're waiting on are never coming back". And Rey immediately cries. She knew the truth. Was just mentally tricking herself that someone would come back for her.

I'm a sucker for that shit.

I wonder if Force-sensitive people can mind-trick themselves...

 

[CreepingFear]

Leia is still alive. There is still hope for Kylo IMO.

Leia finally going to use a lightsaber and fuck up Kylo for killing her baby daddy.

 

[Boke1879]

When Rey grabs the lightsaber.


And this.

YES! her grabbing the Saber was powerful. Made even more powerful when this theme kicks in at 1:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0IlV4sCqJY That moment is her accepting her destiny.

The last time Han and Leia speak to each other. Anything Chewie post the thing that happens. And when Rey lands on the island and looks back and R2-D2 does it's little bouncing thing. Not sure why on that one.

Because R2 is cute and he's excited about seeing his master again.

 

[injurai]

Hopefully among these:

http://www.thewrap.com/star-wars-ep...iguez-tatiana-maslany-olivia-cooke-exclusive/

Wow, I remember this. Feels like ages ago. Yeah Tatiana please.

 

[sphagnum]

Uh, that sounds like the vision with Kylo. Would explain why the guy who gets killed looks like a knight, why that guy was about to kill someone else, why that guy gets killed by Kylo, and why it looks like Kylo then kills whoever he saved.

Maybe that scene showed us a scene like the one you describe. It's a Battle Royal.

Servants of the Empire takes place 4 years before ANH, but I suppose since Commandant Hux is General Hux's father, traditions could be held over...

 

[Jeffolation]

Because R2 is cute and he's excited about seeing his master again.

Hot damn you're right.

 

[GhaleonEB]

When Rey grabs the lightsaber.

And this.

Yup, both great moments. I find Rey taking the lightsaber at the end to be the most electrifying moment in the series to date. The setting, the tension, the music, the way it moved her character's arc...it's incredible.

 

[OricWindstar]

Sure this has been posted SOMEWHERE within these massive threads

but what are some of the moments that choked you up, gave you a tingling of feels (if any)?

"Luke's a jedi. Your his father."

Did not expect Leia to have the line that hit me the most.

 

[Majine]

Vader being the "child who will bring balance to the force", it sure didn't last that long. Whoever made a big deal out of that prophecy must work at PR.

 

[BlackGhost]

Rey and Finn or bust.

 

[BocoDragon]

Vader being the "child who will bring balance to the force", it sure didn't last that long. Whoever made a big deal out of that prophecy must work at PR.

Oh shit... didn't think of that... lol

 

[excelsiorlef]

Yup, both great moments. I find Rey taking the lightsaber at the end to be the most electrifying moment in the series to date. The setting, the tension, the music, the way it moved her character's arc...it's incredible.

The music is fascinating in that moment it's not all light. There is some hint of more dark sideish music.

It is such a thrilling moment.

 

[The Librarian]

Yup, both great moments. I find Rey taking the lightsaber at the end to be the most electrifying moment in the series to date. The setting, the tension, the music, the way it moved her character's arc...it's incredible.

Same. As far as I'm concerned it's Star Wars' best moment.

 

[sphagnum]

Vader being the "child who will bring balance to the force", it sure didn't last that long. Whoever made a big deal out of that prophecy must work at PR.

Well, obviously it worked post-RotJ before TFA came out. Now we just have to retcon what exactly it means. Like, Anakin did bring balance to the Force - but now the rest of the Skywalkers must maintain it. Or something.

It was even worse in the old EU, since there were dark siders all over the place right off the bat.

 

[OricWindstar]

The music is fascinating in that moment it's not all light. There is some hint of more dark sideish music.

It is such a thrilling moment.

Gonna keep pimping my hasty edit that puts the Burning Homestead track from A New Hope into the music in that scene for those that want it. Hopefully we get an official version soon.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Anyone else looking forwards to seeing Poe interact with Rey? I wonder how Johnson will differentiate their relationship from Finn and Rey's.

 

[Iceternal]

Vader being the "child who will bring balance to the force", it sure didn't last that long. Whoever made a big deal out of that prophecy must work at PR.

I would kinda like that if Snoke is indeed Plagueis, the fact that he cheated death is an abomination and he cheated the Force itself, thus the Force created an extremely powerful hero "Rey" , as a counterpart, to heal the galaxy and destroy Snoke.

 

[The Librarian]

Anyone else looking forwards to seeing Poe interact with Rey? I wonder how Johnson will differentiate their relationship from Finn and Rey's.

Rey is pretty self-righteous...Poe strikes me as more practical...don't see the two getting along all that well. Maybe tolerate each other?

 

[TAJ]

The gaping holes in exposition are especially silly because it's not like this is a super-tight script. It literally begins with an exposition crawl. Just add another paragraph there or make the paragraphs you have way better.

Fix the crawl, cut the Rathtaur scene, clean up redundant dialog (Poe repeats the plan to blast Starkiller once the shields go down, for example), and you can kind find room to make some of the stage-setting less than totally baffling.

One of the weirdest bits of redundant dialog is "The droid we seek is aboard the Millenium Falcon, in the hands of your father, Han Solo.".
Adding the Han Solo bit is super-extra unnecessary.

 

[sphagnum]

Rey is pretty self-righteous...Poe strikes me as more practical...don't see the two getting along all that well. Maybe tolerate each other?

Smells like Leia and Han.

(I don't want Rey X Poe to happen though).

 

[It's Reyn Time!]

I'm not so sure Kylo's purged the light from himself. When he's talking about feeling the pull of the light I saw that as him having a conscience, his doubt, his uncertainty and his guilt telling him he's doing the wrong thing. He believed that killing his father would make him... whatever it is that he hopes to become, but a conscience isn't just something you can switch off.

Whether he's beyond redemption, however, is another matter entirely. Vader killed the Emperor at a critical moment, but he had to die too. There was never going to be a happy ending for him, he was never going to get brought to meet Leia or introduced to the rebellion or go into hiding somewhere, he had to die then and there. I don't think Kylo's there yet.

 

[The Librarian]

Smells like Leia and Han.

(I don't want Rey X Poe to happen though).

I prefer Rey not hook up with anyone...unless it was with another woman. Cause that would be awesome.

As far as Han and Leia is concerned, I recently rewatched ANH and Empire, and I forgot how much Han harasses Leia. If Empire released today like that, it wouldn't fly. :/

 

[Musolf815]

Sure this has been posted SOMEWHERE within these massive threads

but what are some of the moments that choked you up, gave you a tingling of feels (if any)?

I'm a softie and tear up easily at movies so Force Awakens got me from all angles

-Just seeing a new Star Wars again in theaters and getting to escape to this universe
-"The garbage then." pan to the Falcon chokes me up immensely each time
-BB-8 doing basically anything
-Poe and Finn's friendship
-Rey getting taken and Finn screaming actually got me harder the second time. How much they care about each other really hits me emotionally.
-Han and Kylo and the bridge
-"As long as there's light, we still have a chance."
-The whole scene where Finn is kneeling over Rey checking on her while Kylo goads him on, then he slowly rises and ignites his lightsaber. Just perfect.
-Rey getting the lightsaber
-Rey using the force to beat Kylo.
-Rey and Leia away from the celebration.
-LUKE. The heartbreak in his eyes.

This is the kind of movie I'm gonna just bawl at when I watch it alone for some of these.

 

[Dice]

Servants of the Empire: The Secret Academy. Hux sets up the initial "club" for the foundation of his new project in that book. Which, when you think about it, is kind of weird, because the implication is that he's going to have these top level students impregnate each other to create the first generation of Stormtrooper babies for him to indoctrinate.

Ugh, this hyper polarization is so stupid.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I would kinda like that if Snoke is indeed Plagueis, the fact that he cheated death is an abomination and he cheated the Force itself, thus the Force created an extremely powerful hero "Rey" , as a counterpart, to heal the galaxy and destroy Snoke.

Unless it's Kylo and Rey goes dark side ^_^

<<<<<Team Dark Rey

 

[sphagnum]

Ugh, this hyper polarization is so stupid.

It's not stated so directly in the book.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Unless it's Kylo and Rey goes dark side ^_^

<<<<<Team Dark Rey

Uhgh....

Do I want to know why?

 

[Boke1879]

I'm not so sure Kylo's purged the light from himself. When he's talking about feeling the pull of the light I saw that as him having a conscience, his doubt, his uncertainty and his guilt telling him he's doing the wrong thing. He believed that killing his father would make him... whatever it is that he hopes to become, but a conscience isn't just something you can switch off.

Whether he's beyond redemption, however, is another matter entirely. Vader killed the Emperor at a critical moment, but he had to die too. There was never going to be a happy ending for him, he was never going to get brought to meet Leia or introduced to the rebellion or go into hiding somewhere, he had to die then and there. I don't think Kylo's there yet.

if only.

 

[BouncyFrag]

BTW, I wonder how much Mark Hamill got paid for standing in front of a camera for 5 seconds?

While I was bummed we didn't see him more than those five seconds he has done a lot of work to get in shape hopefully to kick some ass in the next film.
From a recent Time Magazine article:

 

[GhaleonEB]

Unless it's Kylo and Rey goes dark side ^_^

<<<<<Team Dark Rey

Nah. She's a Rey of Light.

 

[watershed]

I'm counting on Snoke not being Plagueis and so far the official word would point to that being true. I only see interest in Plagueis among people who really love the now abandoned EU or are really into PT Palpatine.

 

[soundscream]

I don't get people complaining about Snokes CG quality. He's a hologram, they always look shit in star wars. I'd wait to see him onscreen before making final judgment.

 

[Majine]

Is it a popular theory that Rey is Han/Leias child as opposed to Lukes?

Figured it would keep the family drama going, and that moment onboard the Millenium Falcon where Rey and Han are finishing each others sentences might be a clue.

 

[sphagnum]

Is it a popular theory that Rey is Han/Leias child as opposed to Lukes?

Not anymore.