I know, isn't that sad?
...No? I mean I'm not sure what the point is, but if great action sequences were so abundant and easy to execute, it wouldn't be much of an accomplishment would it?
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...No? I mean I'm not sure what the point is, but if great action sequences were so abundant and easy to execute, it wouldn't be much of an accomplishment would it?
...No? I mean I'm not sure what the point is, but if great action sequences were so abundant and easy to execute, it wouldn't be much of an accomplishment would it?
I'm not sure what you mean. Just nevermind!
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Disney's going to be all Frozen, Pixar, Marvel and Star Wars from here until the end of time. Hope you're all happy. 😕
perfectchaos007
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Interesting that Star Wars domestic = star wars international, while Spectre is 3x greater internationally. I guess the Bond franchise just doesn't hold up well in the states anymore.
James Bond and Transformers are in the same boat.
I expanded out the Overseas gross chart to include Harry Potter and Furious 7. I had to use reported weekend estimates rather than actuals because it would have taken too long to find the exact numbers (which never get as much press).
Barring a 1-2% margin of error for Potter and Furious 7 figures, here is Star Wars vs 3 of the 4 films in the $950+ OS range.
EDIT: Threw in Age of Ultron for kicks. that's every movie over $900M OS other than Titanic. Can you find AoU's Chinese debut week?!?
Barring a 1-2% margin of error for Potter and Furious 7 figures, here is Star Wars vs 3 of the 4 films in the $950+ OS range.
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Wk Avatar Jurassic World The Force Awakens Deathly Hallows Pt2 Furious 7 Age of Ultron
01 $164.545.565 $316.102.740 $281.000.000 $314.000.000 $245.000.000 $201.200.000
02 $151.964.038 $166.675.144 $133.300.000 $120.200.000 $195.000.000 $168.000.000
03 $136.300.000 $86.070.615 $66.600.000 $167.900.000 $68.300.000
04 $150.500.000 $44.948.536 $29.300.000 $69.700.000 $185.000.000
05 $125.103.207 $23.978.417 $14.900.000 $52.800.000 $45.800.000EDIT: Threw in Age of Ultron for kicks. that's every movie over $900M OS other than Titanic. Can you find AoU's Chinese debut week?!?
LegalEagleMike
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to be fair the domestic run Star Wars is having right now is pretty insane.
As long as I get my Obi-Wan Kenobi spinoff, I'm fine with all this.
PhoncipleBone
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Anyone that ever questions Cameron's chops of delivering action is delusional. He always delivers on the action front and makes things clear and easy to follow.
If anything, I am wondering if Fury Road has lit a fire under his ass like he was once influenced by Road Warrior. Cameron has become the apprentice again, and he has something to prove yet again. Even if Cameron's scripts aren't as tight as they once were, he is still in the top tier of action directing.
In my brain, I keep imagining Cameron as watching what George Miller pulled off in Fury Road and thinking, "I can do better. No one shows me up!" And then Cameron will deliver something absolutely fucking bonkers.
The Flop Awakens already grossing less than Avatar overseas.
HomerSimpson-Man
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Its all relative so saying it doesn't hold up well in the states anymore isn't really quite correct. The overseas market has exploded in the last decade. Spectre is the still the second highest grossing Bond domestically second only to Skyfall. Bond has been bigger overseas for a good while, if anything Skyfall was the outliner being the first Bond to break $200 million domestically.
Yes, this is the right way to see it. Cameron's competition are the rare action films which really stand out and leak a solid impression. Not the by-the-numbers comfort food films of which there are 5-10 every year without fail.
PhoncipleBone
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Ain't Cameron's fault that he is better at it than nearly everyone. I like thinking he likes and feeds off having someone show him up. Someone has to have him stay hungry.
Mr. Pointy
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The Good Dinosaur bombed so they'll be scrubbing Pixar out like it was John Carter.
That's probably why he only makes a new film every decade. When you're your own competition, motivation can be hard.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Man, just got back from an IMAX showing of Star Wars. When we reserved our seats two days ago it was still 85-90 unsold. We got there and it was nearly sold out. Fucking nuts.
I know we are barely a blip in the international market, but TFA didn't do so amazingly well in Argentina. The first week numbers put it at number 6 in the ranking of first week viewers, just below 50 Shades. With 560k+ viewers, for comparison number one is Fast7 with 1.4m. (It's in viewers cause that's the usual unit here, instead of revenue/gross)
Avatar really was something else, damn.
It seems this is the case around Latin America. It has consistently opened below Furious 7 and Avengers 2.
BronsonLee
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Alternate Headline:
Star Wars Can't Handle Sex And/OR Fast Cars, Argentinians Celebrate
He'll probably go make a second soulless piece of Spielberg mimicry.
Eh, Fringe became great, but the pilot and first half of season one had lots of shit that Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman came up with, like The Pattern and all the bullshit with Olivia's ex-partner/lover. The show only really found itself when Wyman and Pinkner took full control.
PeskyToaster
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Star Wars submissive to fast cars.
There are only a few major territories where Star Wars is blowing past everything that came before.
Here are the estimated grosses to date for The Force Awakens in its biggest territories vs Avatar's USD grosses in those same territories.
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TFA (10-12 days) Avatar (LTD)
United Kingdom $97M $150M
Germany $54M $162M
France $48M $176M
Australia $36M $106M
Japan $31M $172M
Mexico $20M $44M
Spain $20M $110M
South Korea $19M $105M
Italy $18M $83M
Russia $18M $117M
Brazil $16M $58MThe Force Awakens has a pretty good shot at passing Avatar in the UK. Other than that? Not so much.
PhoncipleBone
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StopMakingSense
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The dollar values are a little hard to compare with the strength in the dollar vs. LA countries in the past few months.
Argetina, for example, had a 40%-ish drop against the dollar the day TFA opened due to foreign currency purchase controls being lifted.
Abrams is a far better visual director than Whedon will probably ever be. His issues have been with writing and lack of originality.
BronsonLee
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Those two things are what I would say are Whedon's greatest strengths.
...We need to combine these guys into one!
Randomizer
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This so much, guy can't make movies with substance. Glad to see someone as talented as Rian Johnson in charge for the next two.
True, I totally agree but JJ does also use a lot of TV techniques in his films. In particular his fast cut action, overuse of close-ups, and tilting angles all come straight out of TV convention.
Yep, Ewan McGregor deserves to be in a much better Star Wars movie, with a good script and director.
Stealthy Giant
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I am noticing Grindstone Entertainment Group in front of trailers for shitty looking movies starring A-list talent. So far there is Heist (De Niro), Extraction (Bruce Willis), Exposed (Keanu Reeves) and Misconduct (Pacino, Hopkins).
PhoncipleBone
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Those all sound like late night Skinemax titles.
Crossing Eden
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None of those things are inherently bad.
You bringing up Chris Columbus reminds me that Alfonso Cuaron would be a good get for any studio that can get him back on a big budget franchise.
BronsonLee
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The fact that WB had him on Potter, did my favorite Potter movie, then let him bounce still boggles the mind
Where's the originality in Avengers?
I doubt he wants to go back now that Gravity has bought him another project or two of his choice.
You will have to take your David Yates and like it.
BronsonLee
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They were never ever ever going to let him go full dumbass on either Avengers movie.
Top Whedon is baller as fuck, but holy shit is Bottom Whedon bad
Time for Gravity 2!
And omg swiss no, I don't want that
brianmcdoogle
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I asked a while ago and didn't get an answer. Did WB have the worst year of all the big studios?
BronsonLee
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Wait, isn't Fantastic Beasts next year too? Did that fucker do two big ass movies in one release year?
Not in terms of domestic gross. They will finish third behind Universal and Disney with $1.6B. They had a lot of films disappoint or bomb this year though. You know things are rough when The Intern makes their domestic Top 5 for 2015 releases at less than $80M.
In the dialogue and sets, though of course it doesn't work for everybody in the audience, and he went overboard with Tony in AoU.
The Avengers and Star Wars aren't the best barometer for originality though since both are encumbered by their ties to source material. Abrams probably had more opportunity to be inventive though since he was adding to the OT rather than remixing comic material like Whedon.
BronsonLee
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An opportunity that I don't think he used at all!
TheJollyCorner
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Always good having professional writers chiming in!
brianmcdoogle
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That bad, huh? I assume we'll get a full end of the year review next week after the new year?
Other than those 2016 films, He's directed 1 TV pilot in the nearly 5 years since he wrapped up Potter 8. It's not exactly like he was hurting for time.
WB allowed him to have a 180M side project.
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