The dialing wasn't low for me in my 4 viewings all at different theaters, it's just the sound mix of the movie is not great in all regards.
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The dialing wasn't low for me in my 4 viewings all at different theaters, it's just the sound mix of the movie is not great in all regards.
....yeah, the idea of "supplemental materials" or "background reading" being required to make basic parts of a movie clear is pretty bad
or they could just stuff the supplemental material into some shitty cartoon i guess
excelsiorlef
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They moved the Senate there. That's all that really matters. I think some book or other explains that they move the capital around from time to time.
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Everytime I see the first order symbol it reminds me of that community episode where they redesign the school logo to look like butthole, because that's what the first order logo looks like, an alien butthole.
excelsiorlef
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Correct because if the Republic overtly lent their forces it would be an act if war against a group you technically are at peace with.
Eh not really. For your average viewer enough is presented in the movie.
This goes way back to when the OT was released. A lot of extra supplement material was released to flesh out a lot of the extracurricular things.
LegalEagleMike
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Might have been worth it to shorten the whole rathtar sequence by a few minutes just to have a small scene where Leia's representative to the Senate discusses the state of the galaxy.
I know we didnt want a lot of sitting and talking about politics but just 2 minutes would have been enough to make it clear for the less dedicated star wars nuts that it was not Coruscant that blew up and to show where the Republic fleet was.
I know we didnt want a lot of sitting and talking about politics but just 2 minutes would have been enough to make it clear for the less dedicated star wars nuts that it was not Coruscant that blew up and to show where the Republic fleet was.
whether or not there is precedence for it in star wars doesn't make it a good practice imo. most good movies don't do this.
excelsiorlef
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They needed like just another paragraph in the opening a scrawl. Oh well it's probably one of those things where most of the audience won't be confused and those who are will find the answers quickly online because they are already the type who would read and discuss ad nauseum anyway.
Wish there was more in the movie but I kinda figured most of it out and found the rest here.
Digital-Hero
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Really? I never thought that series was great at all and the movie bored me to tears.
Back then it was fleshing out stuff contained in the movie that was there to hint at a more convincing universe.
Now its fleshing out stuff that the filmmakers are intentionally leaving out because they can't be assed to properly write their film
excelsiorlef
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Except that part was literally clear. They out right say Hosnian Prime (or at least the Hosnian system) was destroyed and that the Senate was there and so was the Republic fleet.
Wait 90% of your non Star Wars fanatic friends knew the name Coruscant?
I mean I thought it was Coruscant too and then they said Hosnian and I said ahh not Coruscant.
But the main points are explained in the movie. When Hux is giving his speech he specifically states one of the reasons for the attack is the New Republics betrayal of aiding the resistance. The main points are given to you. If you want backstory either wait for episode 8 to explain some of it or you have material out now that fleshes it out.
From Episode 6-7 is about 30 years. You're not gonna get all the backstory on what happened in a single movie. That said. It's easy to even just assume the FO are remnants of the Empire and that sometime after Jedi a New republic was established.
LegalEagleMike
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Ya it was clear to me as well yet plenty of people seem to be confused. Think it might have given the destruction some actual weight as well.
I think it was not important to the film which specific planet was destroyed. Yes, as SW fans we care, but for the movie, all the audience needs to know is that Starkiller is super powerful and that's what that scene demonstrated. It could have been better but it's not important to the success of the film.
Doesn't help the planet looked like Coruscant. I was confused about whether Coruscant blew up despite hearing it was Hosnian.
excelsiorlef
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Yeah and it certainly doesn't make it a poorly written film.
But what is this New Republic and why should I care?
For all we know it might be as shitty and corrupt than post Valorum republic
excelsiorlef
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Well that they literally tell you in the scrawl.
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I don't know a whole lot of Star Wars lore, but I'm almost thinking Ren is trying to break down the dark and light sides of the Force to usher in a true unmitigated "balance," almost in a utopian socialism sort of sense. This is somewhat echoed by Rey not fighting in a purely light-side style, and I'm thinking Ren would prefer that all Force-sensitives operated based on their own merits, as opposed to attempting to wholly enforce the dichotomy of light and dark as good and evil. This is also a potential way for him to escape the repercussions of an encounter with either Snoke or Luke, were he to defect or retaliate, respectively. Maybe seeing Finn's arc will inspire him somewhat.
I can also see a twist happening where we think Ren is just trying to bring back the dark side as we assume he thought Vader was, but in reality Ren thinks he understands the "deeper meaning" being Vader's actions, or something like that.
EDIT: I think this is also why all the factions (resistance / new republic / first order / hints of privatized stormtroopers / etc) weren't bundled up into a single pair of organizations: it's possible they may not remain fully faithful to their respective partners in the future.
I can also see a twist happening where we think Ren is just trying to bring back the dark side as we assume he thought Vader was, but in reality Ren thinks he understands the "deeper meaning" being Vader's actions, or something like that.
EDIT: I think this is also why all the factions (resistance / new republic / first order / hints of privatized stormtroopers / etc) weren't bundled up into a single pair of organizations: it's possible they may not remain fully faithful to their respective partners in the future.
No, they don't.
Unknown Soldier
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Yeah... It was kind of hard to feel anything for those guys. It was kind of like Alderaan. Yeah, it was like a HOLY SHIT moment, but I never actually saw the planet, or the people in it.
They should explain a little better. Hopefully the next movie is not a rehash of a previous one and actually explains a little bit more.
by all means, elaborate
I get what he means, though I have a hard time articulating it myself.
I mean, like the film or not, it feels pretty weird to watch TFA without the Lucas ground rules - rules that Kershner and Marquand still followed in a way - we've been used to.
LegalEagleMike
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ya lol, its only a matter of time before the new EU starts getting dismissed as non canon by Disney. They are eventually going to have put out so much new material that they do not want to be handcuffed by with spin off movies.
well even Alderaan there was better context as you knew it was leia's home planet
I decided to jump into Wookieepedia to see what happened to Coruscant during the Galactic Empire and after, and I found out that Palpatine turned the Jedi Temple into his own place. That's pretty badass.
Then I dug in deeper and apparently the Jedi built the temple over a Sith shrine. Wow.
Then I dug in deeper and apparently the Jedi built the temple over a Sith shrine. Wow.
Is this what went thru your mind as you watched the movie? Is this New Republic as poor at governing as the prequel republic? Because that's not what most movie goers are thinking as they watch several planets blow up. That scene is about visual spectacle and drama.
Alderaan had a personal connection to one of our main characters. We worried for her. Not the planet itself
Hosnian is there, that's about it.
excelsiorlef
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I'm kinda hoping we have Rey vs Ren the final battke as being a fight between teo people with balanced force within them both dark and light but who still fall in the Hero vs villain category l. Ie it's not the side of the force that makes you good or bad it's you, who you are and what you do. Both dark feelings and light feelings are fibe it's what you do with them thst matters
Basically Inside Out with lightsabers lol.
excelsiorlef
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There are none of that left come on. He threw that shit out in the PT
which clearly isn't enough for many star wars fans who would like to know more about what exactly is going on in the galaxy 30 years post OT, myself included.
Exactly. The message was conveyed. They were New Republic planets that got blown up. Hux tells you the reason why they are attacking those planets. The planets don't matter and it sets up the future. The New Republic is pretty much crippled.
It went through my mind during Hux's speech actually.
During the destruction scene my mind was like "Well not Death Star will probably destroy not Alderaan now...oh I was right, who wouldve thought?"
excelsiorlef
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They tell you that from the fall of the Empire rose the Republic and that they suppirt Leia's resistance. Ie you know they are Leia's allies, ie there's no reason to believe they are corrupt.
Well know you know. Frankly while yes I wish there was more of it, it wasn't necessary and that's what supplimental material is for.
And that's where you read up on the material. You're not going to get 30 years of exposition in a 2 hour movie that has to introduce new characters and set up the rest of the trilogy.
You may as well be complaining who Snoke is as well since he's clearly someone of importance and commands the FO.
Kaneda Shotaro
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The editing of many shots (example: Finn standing up after the Trooper died in Jakku and the "jarring" effect we feel; less transitional "wipes" used), the amount of mid to close shots (example: most classic films that Star Wars is inspired from used more long shots) and the camera angles (example: when Kylo enters Maz's ruins) don't adhere to the "rules" set by even the classics which make this one stand out when in reality, all 7 films should be cohesive in technical terms. Going back to editing, from the very opening with the quick cuts and sound effects used in the Trooper carrier interior, this was not going to mold as well in the traditional, old fashioned way with the other 6.
From every technical angle you look at, this was a "faster" film with less adherence to classical filmmaking stylistic choices. I'm thinking this one will stand out the most from all the rest with 8 having the more reflective scenes but Disney giving him the go-ahead to continue the energetic style and not have to worry about following the technical rules set by the other 6.
you lost me there. its the job of the movie to tell me what the situation is, not background material on the internet.
I'm just curious did you watch the entire series?
That's really really vague. We needed to see this people, at least 2 or 3 minutes of Leia being a part of the Senate, something...anything.
excelsiorlef
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I'm sorry but the PT looks nothing like the OT and this looked way more like the OT than the PT did.
Well I'm sorry that was your TFA experience. I think we can safely say most people were enjoying the film enough to not worry about backstory or comparing TFA to other SW films during the actual movie.
That's the problem.
They could've tested it on Starkiller's own moon for all the difference it makes.Nah. They later show that basically everyone we remember (Akbar, Lando's copilot guy, etc) are Resistance, not Republic.
i can't believe that i finally agree on one of Fj0823's star wars opinions.
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