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[Azure Dream]

Like other people, it went from a $300-350 Dev Kit to a $600 retail... that's rough. That's the version subsidized by Facebook money? I wonder what this would've been without the FB deal, even more expensive, or less functional?

At this point, I have to see what Vive's got going on before I make a decision. I really hope it isn't too late by that point, and I don't have to wait another five months like I did with my original DK1 order.

Co-founder Palmer Lucky told(...) that Rift would be ‘an open platform’.

He said: ‘We don’t control what software can run on it.’

But a spokesman from Oculus Rift told(...)that this is no longer the case.

That guy can be trusted.

If you actually watched Luckey say it (I remember that presentation), it was very clear he didn't want to touch the subject with a 10 foot pole.

It was pretty obvious Facebook wasn't going to allow it on the Oculus store, but I doubt he's going to fight them on it.

 

[F1Fan]

And then when they launched their next hardware, that was cheaper and better... more people bought it. The PS3 is only a failure compared to the PS2. It made Sony money. It put them in a position to make a better (and more affordable) follow up. It didn't kill them off. Would the Rift have sold more at a cheaper price? Of course.

Doesn't mean it's doomed at $600.



I have played it. You are wrong. Many games are already very well suited to being VR games. Anything with a cockpit is already well on it's way to working well in VR.

Sony never made anything on the PS3. In fact I think it costed billions of dollars. Considering the brand that Playstation was at the time of PS3 launch, the sales in the following years were a disaster. And it was down due to the price. Even now people are joking about the $599 announcement, in this very thread.

VR now has no brand name yet starting at the same price point.

 

[Wallach]

Occulus Rift mission was to change that. The promise was that with simple tech like accelerometers and phone displays they could realize VR Headsets for the masses.
They just announced that they failed at that. Probably because it just wasn't as easy as Palmer Lucky and Carmack imagined. But also because suddenly it needs a remote, a custom gamepad, a microphone and headphones and a closed marketplace to work.

Breh they got their very first high-end VR HMD to retail for six hundred. Like an entirely new segment of tech. They also have GearVR at retail already at a hundred.

Ya'll are on some other shit right now but I will enjoy looking back on this later.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Something like a player for movies or a TV has MUCH more mass market appeal than a VR headset. Video game consoles have a MUCH larger market too.. We're talking about a VR headset that already has a niche group with interest. That group then gets whittled down b/c many people's PC's can't accommodate it.

Now you're left with a small group that can a) care and want one, b) can afford the high price, and c) have a PC that will enable it.

In the first year or two? Yes. You think bluray players had mainstream acceptance out of the gate? Or were a lot of people saying "I'm not paying $500 to watch movies I already have I don't even know what resolutions are!" Of course it's niche. OR would probably be the first to tell you that, and this is reflected in its price and shipping numbers. Their goal is for it to not stay niche, but to expect that from day 1 on a technology that most people don't even understand was foolish. Lowering the price by $100 or even $200 on this initial unit would make zero difference in terms of mainstream acceptance.

Oculus' problem (which is not really a problem) seems to be that they've been around and public for so long that it's causing people to not really understand how young this technology is.

 

[Kelsdesu]

So no touch controls? I am going to see what the Vive does next. Six hundred and thirty dollars is not okay. Get myself a 980ti with some change for that kind of scratch.

 

[wachie]

I'm glad they priced it like this. Next up is PSVR and Vive.

 

[killroy87]

Will these headsets (at least the Oculus and Vive) have specific software? Like, am I just choosing between which one to get and that's all? Or will Lucky's Tale and Eve Valkyrie not be playable on the Vive?

 

[Hawk269]

It seems like the testing program to see if your PC is compatible is a bit messed up. My rig failed due to the program saying my OC I7-3930k which is clocked at 4.8 is not sufficient and USB 3.0 is not sufficient even though I have a Rampage IV Extreme Mobo w/4 rear and 2 front USB 3.0 ports that work fine with other 3.0 accessories that I have.

At least it says my 2xTitan X GPU's are good enough! lol

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

Show me a non-hobbled self-built Oculus capable PC for less than $1000, because with tax and shipping it can't be done.

I would have bought Oculus at $500. That last $100 makes a difference to me (and how I see this playing out).

Oculus are going to be selling them on their site. My pre-order form also made mention of $1500 package deals for a PC + Rift available to pre-order but they're not up yet. Also I don't know why you're disallowing self-build PC's, you can build an Oculus-Ready one for $800.

 

[low-G]

How many people in this thread spewing garbage were even interested in buying one in the first place?

I feel, irrationally I admit, betrayed by Oculus. I was literally ready to put down $500 on this thing, getting hyped, watching the news for hours (nothing like those who have waited years, mind), and they sprung $600 on me. I can afford it but not justify it to myself. So yeah I'm mad. I think if someone's making a one-liner snipe post in this thread they probably weren't interested, but it's not just them.

 

[DemonFox]

Wait a second.
This doesn't include Tax when I order it from Germany ?

So that means it'll cost 599 Dollar plus 19% tax plus shipping ?

So... 599 dollar are about 555 Euro. That means I'll have to pay around 110 euro when It arrives at the customs. Plus shipping and I'll have to pay around 700 euro ?

I think I'll wait until it's available in my country. That's a tad to much.

I'm actually willing to pay up to 500 euro for this but 700 is just too much man.

 

[Hindl]

Sounds about right. In a couple years when the cost of manufacturing comes down it should approach a more consumer friendly price. I'm good with my DK2 now though

 

[FyreWulff]

It seems like the testing program to see if your PC is compatible is a bit messed up. My rig failed due to the program saying my OC I7-3930k which is clocked at 4.8 is not sufficient and USB 3.0 is not sufficient even though I have a Rampage IV Extreme Mobo w/4 rear and 2 front USB 3.0 ports that work fine with other 3.0 accessories that I have.

At least it says my 2xTitan X GPU's are good enough! lol

Welcome to USB3, where the chipsets are made up and the api endpoints don't matter :/

 

[AgeEighty]

I got my preorder in at 11:17 EST, just a couple of minutes after the March preorders sold out, and got an April date. I'm hoping that if there are some cancellations or some additional stock available in March, I'll be among the first to jump ahead.

 

[CaLe]

Well.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7n5kRRHDpw

Good enough it looks like. Though, with the caveat that people had problems reading menus with the DK1(plenty of improvements since).

I think you'll appreciate this video then

There is literally 0% chance of me cancelling my order now. I'm freaking selling my consoles if I have to.

Brb need tissue.

 

[Nzyme32]

Apparently the Rift is coming on March 28th according to the Adr1ft devs who will launch "along side" it.

Oddly quite a few people I know have got May 2016 as their ship date

 

[RoadHazard]

Lol, I'm almost glad I don't have a VR-capable PC now. Buying that PLUS this for 740€ (assuming it's the same for shipping to Sweden)? Haha, no. That'd be like 1800€ or something (don't have a desktop PC at all at the moment). No thanks, I'll wait for PSVR.

 

[low-G]

Oculus are going to be selling them on their site. My pre-order form also made mention of $1500 package deals for a PC + Rift available to pre-order but they're not up yet. Also I don't know why you're disallowing self-build PC's, you can build an Oculus-Ready one for $800.

No, I'm totally 'allowing' self built. I built my own gaming PC for $1400 last summer. I did say non-hobbled though. No SSD? A shit case? A horrible PSU? That's a horrible fucking build. Yeah I guess it's technically possible, but I wasn't expecting the shit experience PC tier. Either way my PC is more than good, but saying $1500 is grossly dishonest IMO.

 

[SteveO409]

This guy is kind of a dick, huh?

Straightforward. "I want them to sell their product at a massive loss to cover european taxes" is laughable

 

[J-Rzez]

Palmer really fucked up. First off saying it would be affordable and around $349.99. Then he packed in a controller, headset, and remote, all in a fancy case to mask the cost of the unit. As a huge proponent to VR I was serverely let down. Even I, usually an early adopter and VR cheerleader didn't pull the trigger. That's too Damn much on a whim. I need legit hands on with it, and of course have questions about it's build quality and their level of support if issues arose. I wasn't going to be able to use it fully as my 780 is dated and was waiting on the new Pascal cards, but I was going to buy and support this today, not anymore. Palmer failed me.

Ill wait for hands on, user experiences with reliability, and inevitable tweaks and price slashing.

It's up to Sony now to save the VR movement. I just hope they price and bundle right, as I'm not affraid of their support with hardware and software.

Damn Palmer...

 

[Bookoo]

Apparently the Rift is coming on March 28th according to the Adr1ft devs who will launch "along side" it.

Oddly quite a few people I know have got May 2016 as their ship date

March 28th is the ship date for the first set of shipments.

 

[Give War A Chance]

I am definitely priced out of this version of VR. Considering I'd have to upgrade my PC on top of the $599 for the headset... right?

Hoping PSVR is more priced to move but this makes me think it won't be...

Although, I guess if I'm 100% honest, I was likely going to end up waiting for a "killer app" anyway. So far, there just hasn't really been anything shown for VR that makes me want it for more than a "hey I have people over, look at this cool tech" piece. Lots of real neat sounding tech demos, but I'm waiting for that 8-12 hour singleplayer game with a story.

 

[-TK-]

After using it for months (we have some dev kits), I wouldn't even pay 100$ myself. It gets boring fast and immersion is not that good.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Little freaked out. Still no confirmation email.

 

[ISee]

Wait a second.
This doesn't include Tax when I order it from Germany ?

So that means it'll cost 599 Dollar plus 19% tax plus shipping ?

So... 599 dollar are about 555 Euro. That means I'll have to pay around 110 euro when It arrives at the customs. Plus shipping and I'll have to pay around 700 euro ?

I think I'll wait until it's available in my country. That's a tad to much.

I'm actually willing to pay up to 500 euro for this but 700 is just too much man.

No it's 699€ (they change the price the moment you select germany as part of your address) + 41€ for shipping + 19% taxes for importing = 880 €
I was willing to pay up to 550€ but 880€, no way.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

You seem to think a developer has to either specifically target the rift, or not target it at all. How expensive do you think it was for Dirt Rally to *add* rift support to their game? Furthermore, it is very easy using an engine like UE4 or Unity to simultaneously target numerous VR platforms at once. The additional cost of supporting the Rift over supporting the Vive (or vice versa) is very small.

And it won't stay $700 euros. Remember the PS3? Why did that get so much third party software support? Because the additional cost of making a PS3 port was worth it.

There is no precedent to suggest that there is a substantial market of gamers who won't buy a game without VR support though, which is where the multiplat analogy fails.

 

[Tempy]

Apparently the Rift is coming on March 28th according to the Adr1ft devs who will launch "along side" it.

Oddly quite a few people I know have got May 2016 as their ship date

The earliest preorders ship March. If you were a bit late you'd get an April delivery. And if you were even later to preorder you'll be waiting until May. Is it up to June yet?

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

After using it for months (we have some dev kits), I wouldn't even pay 100$ myself. It gets boring fast and immersion is not that good.

You have some cv1 devkits? What are you on about?

 

[Catvoca]

Apparently the Rift is coming on March 28th according to the Adr1ft devs who will launch "along side" it.

Oddly quite a few people I know have got May 2016 as their ship date

The first people who ordered got march, but as more people order they'll get a later ship date.

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

I posted earlier about the price in Canada, but I just wanted to post again and say that I don't see a problem with the $599 USD price. I was expecting it be around that price at launch, but the currency conversion in Canada takes it from being something for early adopters to pricing it right out of the market. If I lived in the States I would for sure pre-order one for $599

 

[Bold One]

 

[Catvoca]

No it's 699€ (they change the price the moment you select germany as part of your address) + 41€ for shipping + 19% taxes for importing = 880 €

Wait really? I guess they don't really care about Europe for now because that's insane.

 

[Dineren]

I wish the order status said the expected ship date. I accidentally closed the order confirmation page and missed what ship date it expected (and missed the oculus touch reservation).

 

[Just_myles]

Well with no touch controller included, I can see people holding off. Glad they set a hard release date though.

 

[Effigenius]

If that means just over £300 in the UK and I had a better graphics card, then sign me up.

Sadly , its probably not under 499 quid.

 

[wheeplash]

Yikes.

 

[Neonridr]

Something like a player for movies or a TV has MUCH more mass market appeal than a VR headset. Video game consoles have a MUCH larger market too.. We're talking about a VR headset that already has a niche group with interest. That group then gets whittled down b/c many people's PC's can't accommodate it

These things might have a wider appeal and market now, but not when they were first introduced. You are telling me that when the VCR came out people all thought it was a revolution and that everyone wanted one?? You do remember that people said the PC was a niche product and they would never be smaller than a room right?

 

[Caayn]

https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/684824384268156928

Uhmmm... you're doing exactly the same thing as many consoles Palmer.

Jabbing at a different market is exactly what you need to be doing right now /s

 

[Tempy]

Straightforward. "I want them to sell their product at a massive loss to cover european taxes" is laughable

No, the Oculus Rift is being sold for 700 euros to Europeans. Palmer tweeted earlier that the price already includes tax. But someone tweeted about getting hit by customs again - so effectively being taxed TWICE. Instead of correcting that person, Palmer replied with a snark. There is zero defense for Palmer's tweet.

 

[Cleve]

How many people in this thread spewing garbage were even interested in buying one in the first place?

Why, they all were of course! As soon as it reached their

Spoiler

moving

goalposts.

 

[DunderHassan]

No it's 699€ + 41€ for shipping + 19% taxes for importing = 880 €

Taxes is included in €699, so the total cost will be €741.
Still way too expensive though, bummer since I was prepared to pre-order.

I’m one of the few people where it’s different. I would spend whatever it was. Gamers are not known to be the most affluent population of people. If something’s even $600, it doesn’t matter how good it is, how great of an experience it is — if they just can’t afford it, then it really might as well not exist. We’re going for the mainstream, but time will tell what the market is.

http://allthingsd.com/20130606/ocul...s-progress-price-and-limitations-qa-part-one/

 

[F1Fan]

Wait really? I guess they don't really care about Europe for now because that's insane.

Yeah it's beyond insane. I can buy a PS4, Xbox One and a Wii U for the same price, plus maybe a few games if they are bundles.

Crazy lol

 

[mnannola]

Oculus are going to be selling them on their site. My pre-order form also made mention of $1500 package deals for a PC + Rift available to pre-order but they're not up yet. Also I don't know why you're disallowing self-build PC's, you can build an Oculus-Ready one for $800.

How the heck are 970's still selling for $300+? I purchased mine last year around this time for the same amount. We need some new graphics cards.

 

[louiedog]

$600?

I'm going to have to sell a cornea on the black market to afford that.

 

[DemonFox]

No it's 699€ (they change the price the moment you select germany as part of your address) + 41€ for shipping + 19% taxes for importing = 880 €
I was willing to pay up to 550€ but 880€, no way.

Holy hell. That's even worse.

 

[Zafir]

No it's 699€ (they change the price the moment you select germany as part of your address) + 41€ for shipping + 19% taxes for importing = 880 €
I was willing to pay up to 550€ but 880€, no way.

That's not correct. They're paying the VAT. They'll most likely ship the devices to a warehouse in the EU, pay the tax there and forward them on. People have stated that's what happened with the dev kits.

Palmer was just making a fool of himself.

 

[00ich]

How many people in this thread spewing garbage were even interested in buying one in the first place?

I was. But this is DK3 not CV1 and I don't think they will have an equal opportunity next year or ever again.

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

No, I'm totally 'allowing' self built. I built my own gaming PC for $1400 last summer. I did say non-hobbled though. No SSD? A shit case? A horrible PSU? That's a horrible fucking build. Yeah I guess it's technically possible, but I wasn't expecting the shit experience PC tier. Either way my PC is more than good, but saying $1500 is grossly dishonest IMO.

I don't see how it is if you can literally buy PC's from them, or build a PC that matches their exact recommended spec and will run the rift without issue. That $800 was the super cheap option. Obviously if you want to go for the full $1000 you could upgrade the PSU, case, CPU and add an SSD. You're not gonna get a super luxury PC with all the bells and whistles, but you'll get exactly what you need.

 

[Hale-XF11]

I wonder how many years it'll be until it's as affordable as a DK2.

 

[Anim]

I think they need to update their compatibility testing app, because my CPU is definitely better than an i5-4590: