Big Baybee
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It's so weird seeing MLK used in that manner. He was disruptive as fuck, and gave no fucks about it.
MLK Day Protesters Block Traffic on the Bay Bridge
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It's so weird seeing MLK used in that manner. He was disruptive as fuck, and gave no fucks about it.
"White moderate" isn't the name call. The implication in the quote is "MLK says this about you and he says you don't give a shit and you're possibly an enemy and possibly even racist yourself." On a liberal skewing message board, there's a loaded meaning behind the quote... and its not very hidden. This exact block quote pops up every single time there's any form of disagreement in any way with any aspect of a protest for the shaming reason you describe.
It's not even a means of saying someone view is wrong because of specific reasons, it's just invoking a venerated authority like MLK to put others - specifically whites - as enemies of that authority. In a discussion involving race, suggesting that a white person stands opposed to MLK, hell that MLK identified them as almost as bad as the KKK, is a "subtle" means of attacking their character.
Like this post below going for the "just asking questions" means of implying racism. At least here there's no subtlety.
Gordon Shumway
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Don't bother..So similar
BreezyLimbo
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Invoking MLK is alot like conservatives invoking Reagan. It's like they think they're saying something meaningful by invoking the name.
"Mississippi Goddam " a whole song about concern trolling the civil rights movement. Awesome song and sadly still relevant.
It's not really weird when so many are completely oblivious and uneducated in why MLK was important.
They can protest however they want - just don't block a busy public roadway. It's too disruptive and will only mute the message.
I say it's wrong because the talking point is how the road was blocked, not the message. Every protest and message needs to have a proper approach. Think of it as making a business plan.
BLM need to revise their plans and garner some positive support from all civilians. Disruption is not the correct tool in this instance.
Plus as you are see the picture there is emergency lane with police cars. So emergency vehicle was able to get through.
dr3upmushroom
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You know what's gross behavior in 2016? Institutional racism, continued racial profiling by police, injustice or no justice given to victims of police brutality, and the ineffectiveness of the media to portray the struggles of minorities. Even saying "...in 2016!" is almost implying that these people are being retro brutes.
There's hospitals on both sides of the bridge, so makes no sense in saying "bu...bu..but the amber lamps!" and schools have the day off (It's the Bay Area folks).
Not to dog pile on you man, but you've shown some pretty delusional stances in this thread... You say you'd walk hand in hand with the protestors but criticize these protestors with no qualms.
Kid Kamikaze10
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I think there is a modern day equivalent: DDoSing, except I don't think that ever works as well since the ones involved just only get mocked as childish behavior.
Internet-based activism I don't think has yet reached the same level of legitimacy in people's minds.
At 4pm I think (correct me if I am wrong) more people would be leaving the city then entering it. So I don't think the protest affected most commuters. A friend had to commute from Emeryville to SF everyday for 5 months. She hated it.
Anyway to get attention, you have to cause disruption. Peaceful civil disobedience has been used by both Gandhi and MLK.
Anyway to get attention, you have to cause disruption. Peaceful civil disobedience has been used by both Gandhi and MLK.
Someone who called protesters pieces of shit and monsters, look foolish? Nah he was just telling it like it is MLK was one of the good ones.
BreezyLimbo
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That's the catch-22.
Block a bridge, the message will be muted.
Block a path, people will think the protesters are the villains.
Protest on the sidewalk, nobody cares.
Protest elsewhere, nobody cares.
Protest the "Right way"(Whatever the fuck that means), nobody cares.
Do you have any idea on what non-disruptive protest they could do?
Truth is, any protest that's not disruptive will be ignored.
Police brutality should also be unacceptable behavior by any modern standards, but it's still around, so what exactly are black people supposed to do, grovel and beg police officers to stop killing them? Their pleas would fall of deaf ears.
soundahfekz
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BronsonLee
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And to think, I thought this thread was just going to be one page
Subpar Scrub
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No. Neogaf is pure binary.
You either wholely support this protest and want police brutality against black people to end, or you can criticise the protest in any way and be a white supremacist.
I'm totally in favour of protest, I just hate when it's on a road. Anywhere else is fine.
Voysa Reezun
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Do you think that people who value being able to get to work on time over the lives of black folks shouldn't have their character questioned?
People are dying every day and desperate protesters try to get attention, and your first instinct is to criticize the protesters rather than the country that has driven these protesters to these lengths - which, I note, are non-violent.
No one is arguing that blocking traffic in a protest is right because [something something your personal background]. They are asking you to consider what your priorities are.
As a black person, I've met enough people who are liberal and want to be your friend until you do something to threaten their status to know that this quote comes up consistently for a reason beyond simple shaming tactics or ad hominem attempts to win an argument,
You can't say protest however you want while adding what you don't want them to do. lol
Gordon Shumway
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? DP
Subpar Spatula
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It's not white supremacy, it's "how do I vilify this protest"? You do it by bringing up "concerns" that aren't actually based in real life and then say it's wrong do it because of that made up concern. You make them the bad guys for doing something wrong (when it hasn't even happened yet).
That's thing: if I were compiling a business plan for BLM, disruption wouldn't be a tool used to increase "revenue." Revenue being support and change in this instance.
I'd work on getting some powerful voices on their sides and having some kind of talks or meetings. Maybe hire a writer to make a big article in a big publication. Talk with popular preachers to get their message heard. Get in touch with various police chiefs and start a conversation.
There are many things that can be done to generate positive conversation. More often than not, BLM has a lot of negativity associated with it.
I elaborated on my thoughts.
Angelus Errare
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I think we should take a shot every time someone invokes MLK as a way to put down blacks.
Actually it's probably not disruptive enough or there'd be more concern for correcting the problem instead of the symptoms of said problem, like this protest. Which is a damn shame.
Actually you've got this backwards. The business plan should be for "law enforcement", and BLM are responding to their "bad customer service". And in that scenario you change the business model rather than blame the customers.
Gentleman Jack
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I'm miisrepresenting his absolute joke of a position, yes.
I guess I should apologize for that, sorry!
Gordon Shumway
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freeofgreed
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There's a very clear message, I don't understand how it's being muddled here or how another form of protest would make it more clear. And regardless of what blm does they're not going to get any massive amounts of popular support. Most white people either side with the police or don't care. And the ones that don't care lead more towards the police side. The BLM movement could've been fucking saints and still not have gotten a majority white support so ultimately fuck trying to convert them. The only people that need convincing are government officials and so far it's been working slowly but surely. Body cameras are becoming more prevalent, indictments are being taken more seriously, and presidential nominees are talking about these issues. So fuck trying to win over a populace that wouldn't care one way or another.
Tesseract
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some of us are educated, believe his methods to be disruptive and dangerous
2016 is a faster world than 1965, and yes retro brutes is probably a good descriptor of these protesters (regardless of who was involved)
blm, but not at the expense of public transportation
i'm pretty sure hillary and bernie spoke to it directly during the last debate
Stop this shit. So fucking annoying. No one is calling anyone a white supremacist.
I really fucking hate these kind of "gaf is" shit posts. People are debating here just fine. Stop with the binary fucking bullshit.
Can we start tomorrow because I don't want to die of alcohol poisoning today.
shadowsdarknes
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You shouldn't need to exaggerate and misrepresent him if his position is so terrible.
It's a shame we can't have better discourse on this board. People get a bit too self righteous and feel the need to mock and misrepresent people when they disagree with them.
I'd like to think we are better than that.
Gordon Shumway
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Seriously..
DontBeThatGuy
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Play that game long enough while watching Fox News during one of these events, and you might not see the next day.
Angelus Errare
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What doesn't kill you...will keep trying to.
Subpar Scrub
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That's the problem. I support every protest they engage in except the ones that block roads, and suddenly I'm vilifying them and making them seem like "bad guys".
I'm not trying to say that, I'm trying to say that I don't like protests that are on roads.
BreezyLimbo
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What the fuck
If BLM was a business plan, disruption IS the "revenue".
What would your business plan, go have a sit-in at a park? Like...things that disrupt day to day life are important for civil rights. Now a days it's easier to ignore many ways of protesting, but something like blocking a road is extremely effective. Having them protest on a side walk wouldn't do anything.
They may not be saying I'm a white supremacist, but they're certainly not arguing in good faith. It is clear that I have some disagreements in here with those that are fully supportive of this particular protest. It is also clear that those that disagree with me are not arguing in good faith. They choose to exaggerate and misrepresent what I say at every turn. They're not trying to have a debate. They're trying to taunt me and shout me out.
Acerac
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It's insane, the only protests that people feel are acceptable are those which can be ignored with ease. Protests need to cause disruption to be effective, it's how they work...
Vicetrailia
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I find people who say "Don't block it because I don't want to get caught in traffic" great because it's true and real. "What about ambulances, or what of the children!" seems fake, like you're trying to sell me something to believe.
Exactly, you prove my point that blocking a bridge accomplished nothing except: disrupting a major roadway and getting the protesters arrested. Why would anyone want to get arrested in today's world where having one blemish on your record automatically disqualifies the person from many jobs.
Like you said, we are making headway where it matters - in the government.
Did you read the second part lol? I don't agree with their methods of disruption and don't think it will render the proper changes.
That is my opinion on the matter.
Subpar Scrub
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I literally made a post about how I support their message and protests except for this particular one, and people started up about how I vilify the BLM movement and am trying to make them seem like the bad guys.
It's pretty fucking annoying when that happens too.
That would be all well and good if we didn't have institutional racism lol.
They do need an iconic powerful voice, that I agree with. (Imagine if Sanders became president)
But good luck with everything else. The media doesn't give one shit about BLM. Preachers will only be preaching to the choir, and police chiefs not only admitting that there's problems in the police force, but breaking the blue wall of silence? Not even in an alternate universe.
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