MLK Day Protesters Block Traffic on the Bay Bridge

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Kid Kamikaze10 said:
Again, the Civil Rights Activists never had good polls. A whole lot of people in the country only warmed up to them after results were made (and a bunch, like MLK died or retired).

Not very relevant.
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Let's be real here, most of those people don't give a shit about MLK. They have only superficial knowledge of the man, he's the non-violent one who had a dream.
What they really like about him is the ability to use his name as a bludgeon against black people they feel are too uppity. A whole lot of that was going on in this thread.
"Well yeah he blocked traffic, but he would still be disappointed by these protesters."
 
Future said:
It's not that anyone thinks someone hates whites because of that name. The name provokes a response of "why not my life" if you are any race other than black. And helps fuel negativity. It's not inclusive and thus doesn't get an inclusive response

Is it the only source of negativity? Hell no, haters would hate this no matter what. But saying the name has no effect is a little obtuse to me
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The most provocative, negativity-fueling word in the phrase "Black Lives Matter" is the word black.

That that's the case is the entire reason there's problems necessitating the movement in the first place.
 
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this doesn't turn me off blm at all, i'd be slamming this kinda hooliganism no matter what. every group has its bad apples, all you can do is condemn them and move on.

i'll keep protesting the best i can, this is definitely a worthy cause. i hope everyone is active in their own way.
 
Future said:
It's not that anyone thinks someone hates whites because of that name. The name provokes a response of "why not my life" if you are any race other than black. And helps fuel negativity. It's not inclusive and thus doesn't get an inclusive response

Is it the only source of negativity? Hell no, haters would hate this no matter what. But saying the name has no effect is a little obtuse to me
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It takes a special kind of ignorant to get from "Black Lives Matter" to "But why not my life?". That ignorance is at best due to privilege, at worst, straight up racism. I'd probably feel my white life was in better hands around BLM members than those who oppose them. Because at least BLM members show compassion and willingness to fight for the lives of others. Whereas many those who oppose the movement just want to be left alone to be blissfully unaware of the plight of others.
 
Pork said:
You do really need to address them as well. In fact, they're kind of at the core of the problem. Fixing the situation necessarily means getting them to change their minds. That is, unless you're okay with the woefully slow pace of change that we've seen up until now, which has largely been achieved by just letting older generations die out. Hence low support for the Civil Rights Movement still leading to some change.
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There was never going to be a fast solution, and no they aren't the core of the problem. Policy and institutions are, and they can be changed without the majority but instead a good enough push, as Conservatives have been able to prove over and over again.
 
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/01/18/st-paul-cop-on-leave-over-facebook-comment-on-blm-protest/
A St. Paul police officer is on leave while police investigate a Facebook post urging drivers to run over Black Lives Matter protesters.

The post said: “Run them over. Keep traffic flowing and don’t slow down for any of these idiots who try and block the streets.”

“It’s really concerning to me that someone would encourage violence on a day celebrating a man who taught peace,” Andrew Henderson said.

Henderson saw the Facebook post made by J.R. Roth around 1 a.m. Saturday. It referred to Monday’s Black Lives Matter MLK Justice Rally.

“The post said to run over the protesters if they were blocking the road and said how to get away with it and that no jury would convict them,” Henderson said.

He took screen shots of the post and videotaped himself calling St. Paul police to report the post he believed was made by Sgt. Jeff Rothecker, who’s been with the department for more than 20 years.

St. Paul police admit they are actively investigating, saying: “The statement is offensive, disappointing, concerning and does not reflect in any way-or align with-the views, values and practices of the Saint Paul Police Department.”

St. Paul police also said if it’s determined that the comment was written by a member of the department, “swift, strong and decisive disciplinary action will be taken.”
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Dram said:
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/01/18/st-paul-cop-on-leave-over-facebook-comment-on-blm-protest/
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The post said: “Run them over. Keep traffic flowing and don’t slow down for any of these idiots who try and block the streets.”
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Christ. Advocating the actual injury or killing of another human because they made you a little frustrated one day? I tend to hate social media but I'm glad it exists to expose idiots stupid enough to say things like that. Unfortunately not all are dumb enough to let their idiocy so out in the open like that. That officer needs to be dealt with appropriately.
 
Kid Kamikaze10 said:
There was never going to be a fast solution, and no they aren't the core of the problem. Policy and institutions are.
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And those policies and institutions are still there because there's still such a large block of said people. So yes, they are the core of the problem. Such ignorant people making up such a huge chunk of the population is the inherent core of the problem. THAT is what we need to change.

They can be changed without the majority but instead a good enough push, as Conservatives have been able to prove over and over again.
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Unless you actually don't care about effacing racism, no, you do need the majority on board. We're not talking about legalizing extended magazines, we're talking about getting people to change their minds about race relations. We'll never really achieve racial equality with just legislation. We need to effect cultural change.
 
Future said:
It's not that anyone thinks someone hates whites because of that name. The name provokes a response of "why not my life" if you are any race other than black. And helps fuel negativity. It's not inclusive and thus doesn't get an inclusive response

Is it the only source of negativity? Hell no, haters would hate this no matter what. But saying the name has no effect is a little obtuse to me
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Only to racists
 
Future said:
It's not that anyone thinks someone hates whites because of that name. The name provokes a response of "why not my life" if you are any race other than black. And helps fuel negativity. It's not inclusive and thus doesn't get an inclusive response

Is it the only source of negativity? Hell no, haters would hate this no matter what. But saying the name has no effect is a little obtuse to me
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It is so painfully obvious that Black Lives Matter means "Black Lives Matter too" or "Black Lives Matter so stop acting like they don't " that I have to believe that people who think it provokes a response of "why not my life" are either racists trying to grasp at straws to discredit them or just so oblivious that they are beyond help.
 
studyguy said:
People continuing to cite the name as a problem are being obtuse. Lets be real, the kind of people who see the name "Black Lives Matter" and go, fuck they hate whites! were already going to be the ones critical of the movement under any name in the first place.
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It's the same type of people who think Gay Pride/Black Pride and White Pride are equally legitimate stances to hold.
 
Future said:
It's not that anyone thinks someone hates whites because of that name. The name provokes a response of "why not my life" if you are any race other than black. And helps fuel negativity. It's not inclusive and thus doesn't get an inclusive response

Is it the only source of negativity? Hell no, haters would hate this no matter what. But saying the name has no effect is a little obtuse to me
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The problem is the misconception that "black lives matter" and "all lives matter" must be exclusive philosophies. This is largely the fault of people who oppose BLM.
 
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
Surprise surprise surprise lol! Cop encouraging murder on BLK day nonetheless is so.... Something that a racist cop would say. The fact that he's been with them for 20 years?! The souls who are literally in jail for possible crimes they've never committed due to this disgusting man.
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I find this method incredibly effective at bringing out awareness and revealing just how toxic the system can be. We should encourage more to keep dragging these racist and hate-fueled people out into the public, front and center.

We have bodycams on police officers now because of the overwhelming evidence from cell phones showing police straight up murdering people. It has proven to be an effective method to counter all the noise.
 
Reading this thread is such a fucking disheartening exercise in seeing so much apathy. As I said much earlier, people care more about being inconvenienced than police brutality, institutional racism and the murders of so many black people. I wish I could do more honestly without compromising myself but I definitely do try to educate people where I work when they say or ask something about BLM and what they stand for. Same with my circle of friends. That's the least I can do. Even if I got in the middle of a protest my support wouldn't waiver. For those of you criticizing, please, stand with your fellow human beings who are being unjustly treated and slaughtered.
Dram said:
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/01/18/st-paul-cop-on-leave-over-facebook-comment-on-blm-protest/
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What a fuckhead.
 
Tigress said:
that's really going to make people sympathetic to your cause ...
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A Link to the Snitch said:
I get the feeling that anyone who becomes unsympathetic to the lives of black people because they're being inconvenient is not valuable to the cause.
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Is it alright to become unsympathetic if your grandma dies in the ambulance that can't get through?

Like, that specific circumstance. Minor inconvenience, nah, that's ridiculous, but I think I'd probably get resentful if a loved one died.
 
Exr said:
What if you already are sympathetic but still see blocking an entire bridge as dumb
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Please provide some "intelligent" methods of protest.

Hunger strike? Not like there aren't plenty of poor blacks starving already.

Outreach? How do you canvas in areas that you're routinely arrested in? Aka affluent areas

Contact your congressman? Hahahahahahahahahaha, please don't be disenfranchised and think you'll get help

I mean seriously. What do you want to see them do? They did what Dr King did, but now it is dumb because ...reasons

UncleSporky said:
Is it alright to become unsympathetic if your grandma dies in the ambulance that can't get through?

Like, that specific circumstance. Minor inconvenience, nah, that's ridiculous, but I think I'd probably get resentful if a loved one died.
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But the service lanes were open... No one died.
 
UncleSporky said:
Is it alright to become unsympathetic if your grandma dies in the ambulance that can't get through?

Like, that specific circumstance. Minor inconvenience, nah, that's ridiculous, but I think I'd probably get resentful if a loved one died.
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"Then put your little hand in mine"
"There ain't no hill or mountain we can't climb"
 
Exr said:
What if you already are sympathetic but still see blocking an entire bridge as dumb
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I think it's more reasonable to disagree with someone's methods than to outright become unsympathetic to their cause because of their methods. That said, protesting by peaceful disruption is not 'dumb'. It's getting people to discuss the issues black men and women face in this country. Yes it's getting some idiots to express their anger or disapproval, but that's the same ignorant noise that is part of the problem.

UncleSporky said:
Is it alright to become unsympathetic if your grandma dies in the ambulance that can't get through?

Like, that specific circumstance. Minor inconvenience, nah, that's ridiculous, but I think I'd probably get resentful if a loved one died.
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No ambulance should be on the bridge. There are plentiful medical care facilities on both sides of it. These questions on hypothetical deaths are getting old. But if my grandmother did die I'd be directing my anger at whatever idiot thought it better to rush her to a further hospital across a potentially busy bridge.
 
DerangedHermit said:
But they're black.
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If only they had been born something that people actually felt empathy poor. I see dogs get more sympathy than other people simply because of the color of their skin

Gordon Shumway said:
I mean, I was down for the cause. But I've gotta say, blocking traffic was the last straw. I'm unable to support them anymore. MLK would have gotten a permit..
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If only there was a federal building nearby...
 
I mean, I was down for the cause. But I've gotta say, blocking traffic was the last straw. I'm unable to support them anymore. MLK would have gotten a permit..
 
NoblesseOblige said:
No ambulance should be on the bridge. There are plentiful medical care facilities on both sides of it. These questions on hypothetical deaths are getting old. So if my grandmother died I'd be directing my anger at whatever idiot thought it better to rush her to a further hospital across a potentially busy bridge.
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Well, I suppose there's also the people who live on the other side of the bridge from the hospital where a loved one is dying, and they don't get to say goodbye. I think that would be a legitimate reason for resentment as well.

Minor stuff like being late to a meeting or missing your kid's recital, that's not significant enough though. Kind of ridiculous to lose sympathy in a cause over that.
 
UncleSporky said:
Well, I suppose there's also the people who live on the other side of the bridge from the hospital where a loved one is dying, and they don't get to say goodbye. I think that would be a legitimate reason for resentment as well.

Minor stuff like being late to a meeting or missing your kid's recital, that's not significant enough though. Kind of ridiculous to lose sympathy in a cause over that.
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Are we going to go ten more pages down this rabbit hole of hypothetical scenarios that cause people to not care about the issues these protestors are protesting?
 
Gordon Shumway said:
Shit. RIP, hypothetical entity. Mlk wept..
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What's the death toll up to now? Has to be in the hypothetical hundreds.
If these negroes hadn't caused so many hypothetical deaths, I would support their cause.

cwmartin said:
Are we going to go ten more pages down this rabbit hole of hypothetical scenarios that cause people to not care about the issues these protestors are protesting?
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Of course, hypothetical lives are more important than black ones.
 
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