Sanders calls Planned Parenthood part of the Political Establishment he's taking on
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Same. I want to vote Bernie, but this and the way he handled the last bullshit, really have shown he isn't a good politicker. Which may be great from a, oh yea I like that guy point of view, but this country is run by snakes and sharks, and bernie can't even seem to handle the gun lobby in his own state, let alone this campaign. Why put my trust in him? Especially when he had to be told forcibly to act like he understood and cared about my issues. Then he goes back to this same old divisive rhetoric against supposed allies, why?
OP should be banned for not including the video in his original post.
Not fighting against THEM yeesh, this is the exact problem people are having with the OP. He's against money in politics, not against the corps themselves.
Remember that salt helps any meat.
Look, just watch the video starting at 7:42. This is a complete and total non-issue. It's a fake narrative. You're being concern trolled.
TheOohChild
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I think it is kind of ironic that PP took exception to what he said and in the same breath spun this as a slight against women's rights.
Killer Queen
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2016:Obama to continue presidency until candidates get their shit together.
They're one of the main places women, especially minorities, receive healthcare. If you're calling them the same thing the "bad guys" have, you are attacking what the bad guys are attacking, women's rights.
Dude Abides
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This is a distinction without a difference. They want to influence politics, he wants them not to. Their interests are opposed in this respect.
I understand what he was trying to say. I'm worried about what a general, relatively uninformed public could be lead to believe. Like someone said before, if it took this thread as long as it did before someone cleared up the misconception, imagine what it could be like in the public.
TheOohChild
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I guess that is a convenient way of simplying it to fit your needs. But that isn't the reality of the situation.
JesseEwiak
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Reality doesn't matter in politics.
SOME of their interests. Saying there is no difference implies 100% of their existence is devoted to manipulating the government and nothing else. There are other reasons for a company to back a candidate that don't involve donations to candid- er, super PACs.
ErasureAcer
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Bernie supports the people having their say...including people in organizations. The HRC support for Hillary is the same old politics.
Now, Bernie's problem bringing this up is whether or not organizations supporting him came from the top down...which there are many, CWA, NNU, Postal Workers. Someone can look this up...?
If those werent democratic votes, but rather top down, then he stupidly opened up a line for attack.
Im still voting for Bernie and supporting him. He's the only hope to get this nation on the right track. Tax the rich. End poverty.
Now, Bernie's problem bringing this up is whether or not organizations supporting him came from the top down...which there are many, CWA, NNU, Postal Workers. Someone can look this up...?
If those werent democratic votes, but rather top down, then he stupidly opened up a line for attack.
Im still voting for Bernie and supporting him. He's the only hope to get this nation on the right track. Tax the rich. End poverty.
Bernie goes trump in that video, blustering about he doesn't need them, even though he admitted he wanted their support and had no problem with it. But since you know, HIllary, they're bad. He says nothing constructive in that video towards PP and HRC, if he does, please post a time stamp.
Thunder Monkey
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Dems... stop trying to eat yourselves.
We've got two candidates that agree with one another 99% of the time. We have demographics shifting rapidly that favor us to a degree that makes it almost impossible to lose. Whoever ends up being the nominee will be endorsed by the other.
The last thing we need to do is let any of this field of Republicans win. Get your shit together. Realize that we are allies in this not enemies.
We've got two candidates that agree with one another 99% of the time. We have demographics shifting rapidly that favor us to a degree that makes it almost impossible to lose. Whoever ends up being the nominee will be endorsed by the other.
The last thing we need to do is let any of this field of Republicans win. Get your shit together. Realize that we are allies in this not enemies.
Zoe
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I only know about CWA because a diehard on my Facebook feed is currently fighting with a Hilary fan about it, but, yes, they did take a vote.
nah bro burn it all down and maybe we'll have some semblance of standards next time!
but I do agree for the most part.
that's a point.
Suikoguy
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It's inevitable in a race between a pragmatist and idealist.
So Sanders should not even bother running? Just give it up?
Gordon Shumway
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When you've got people who want the Republicans to win if their preferred candidate loses, you've got a problem.
Republicans destroying themselves and we're on the road to recovery assuming we get another Democrat? Better go completely crazy.
My brain's boggled and I'm just going to keep hoping enough people check that box with the (D) next to it in the generals. Until then... I guess I'll watch all this.
Yet when Bernie's stance on guns isn't a resounding "fuck 'em", and he says he wants to bridge a divide between red and blue states on this, that pragmatism just won't do.
Just like how any idealistic statement Clinton makes is a complete lie, yeah.
Pretty much. He's not gonna make himself look better to dems leaning towards hillary. Really dumb thing to say.
boiled goose
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Id frame it as status quo pragmatism vs idealist.
Bernie recognizes his policies are largely difficult to realize because of the status quo. (Money in politics)
GreatestHits
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He has always cared about women's rights. If he wants to take down planned parenthood then it's because of who controls or funds them. The media and Hillary are trying to make it seem like he wants to take down what they provide. He's not going to take them down without an alternative that works in his agenda ready to go. And his agenda always has been geared people and their lack of rights.
But yeah let's just assume Burnie is old and is going to take away what women need just because he is anti establishment everything
But yeah let's just assume Burnie is old and is going to take away what women need just because he is anti establishment everything
Thunder Monkey
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It's politics.
A game both Hillary and Bernie have been in for decades.
Bernie has an entire career of flip flops, just like Hillary has an entire career of stalwart stances.
Get passed it. Both are infinitely better for this country than anyone currently representing the Republicans.
The Maverick
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Oh, so Bernie wasn't serious about winning the election. Good to know.
Vampire On Titus
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People are really blowing this way out of proportion. If you watch the full question and response it's very clear what he's saying. This is a small gaffe if anything. Caused by people running with the quote out of context. This wont be hard for his campaign to clear up. Most people in this thread already seem to get it.
excelsiorlef
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She.
I demonstrated how he could have answered that question without saying what he said.
Future PhaZe
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Wonder how this would play with right leaning independents though
and a portion seem to think it doesn't matter, that they can still use it to cause real damage.
He also doesn't "insult" them or say he's "taking them on", but continue to gloss over those facts to further your narrative. You're making up a controversy that doesn't exist.
Bernie Sanders supports both Planned Parenthood and HRC. He has a higher lifetime rating from both organizations than any other candidate. He said he would've liked to have had their endorsements. He said that their endorsements of Hillary Clinton this early are part of establishment politics, but that he doesn't need their endorsement to win.
Not sure where he said or even implied, "they're bad."
excelsiorlef
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And what is he saying in your pov.
Intentionally flipped?
finowns
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Wanting to defund PP doesn't mean a flip on pro choice if means he thinks everything PP does should be provided by a government institution/single payer healthcare.
That said, I think he isn't clear enough, or maybe even delusional, on some of his policies. I largely agree with what he wants to do, but he frames everything as happening immediately. The problem is you can't just radically change everything so quickly. I believe we should have a single payer system; get rid of ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, all that and have one system that includes everyone. But you can't just do that overnight. The additional problem is, insurance isn't the only problem with our healthcare and the entire system needs a huge overhaul.
I know this thread isn't about insurance but I think it's an example of how Sanders will put his viewpoint out there, probably assuming people would understand, that to get to his goals there are massive changes that need to be made to a lot of institutions. Then we get people responding saying "That's impossible because of x, y, and z." But I think that's exactly Sanders point. The x, y, and z is part of the problem and needs to be changed as well. He needs to do a much better job of communicating exactly what he wants to do - and move into a structured plan for how to change things.
Edit: to be clear, I'm a Bernie supporter until (if) he's out of the race.
I've re-read your OP twice now, in addition to watching the video, and I still can't understand what it is he said that you disagree with or find "incredible"?
Thunder Monkey
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Nope. just a natural byproduct of progressivism.
Times change, positions do as well. We march toward progress.
Gordon Shumway
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Insane that there are folks that are talking refusing to vote if their horse ain't picked. Scary shit..
My comment was meant more in how supporters of candidates react to their opposition more than it was about my views personally on the matter. The only camp I fall in is the "Democrat President is essential camp" for the most part. I'd be fine with either of them so long as they can win.
Ziltoidia 9
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The way this issue is being used, based on the actual video of it, is just like some of the tactics the right uses.
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