You'd think he'd have learned some lessons after working on the Gore and Kerry campaigns.
Sanders calls Planned Parenthood part of the Political Establishment he's taking on
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You'd think he'd have learned some lessons after working on the Gore and Kerry campaigns.
I'm so happy for you.
I don't understand why you need the concept of Planned Parenthood. Those should just be services provided by the entire medical complex.
Well I understand why it exists in the US due to the anti-women choice agenda there so it needs to be separated to protect it, but it seems silly to me.
Well I understand why it exists in the US due to the anti-women choice agenda there so it needs to be separated to protect it, but it seems silly to me.
He's a hack and been doing a terrible job throughout Bernie's campaign.
Is this a tactic to make minorities of all sorts the signal that they have to stay at home and just not vote or something?
If he gets the nom be prepared for Republican president,
the good point is that at least the next president will be able to pass some policy past the Congress!
If he gets the nom be prepared for Republican president,
the good point is that at least the next president will be able to pass some policy past the Congress!
I honestly don't understand his campaign sometimes.
It wasn't even that huge of a gaffe. Don't double down on it, just move on from it.
If I would guess, it might play well to some segment of his base. But PP provides some very needed services to BOTH men and women. The Republicans are literally trying to de-fund and dismantle it.
excelsiorlef
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Dude people were calling for my ban. Damn straight I'm gonna feel a bit smug with this double down
The thing about the entire medical complex, is that its broken and expensive. Its not to promote health, but to pay the members on the board 1 dollar more than yesterday, In the US. PP's needed due to the millions of women getting services there...
And all in all, PP is no where near the biggest offenders using our tax money. Its just the war on women showing its ugly face. Compared to millions of fines to other entities getting tax money, and still receiving tax money, PP isn't a burden to tax payers.
Yeah but after they ban all muslims.. surely they aren't just going to stop there. I don't wanna build mexicos wall
It's also a political entity, one that spends millions on select campaigns via its Super PAC and other 501(c)(4)'s.
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That's only to counter an entire political party trying to kill it and everything it stands for.
He needs to win office to "fix the entire medical complex". Alienating voters and shoving them to your opponent isn't a winning strategy Tabris.
Right. It's not just a medical organization, but a political advocacy group.
Bernie's answer was too inside baseball. Tad Devine's was too simplistic.
Because they never endorse a candidate during the primaries (to my knowledge)... Then he runs and they endorse Hillary, despite him also having a positive record on issues close to their cause. It fits right in with his establishment narrative and, if he meant to attack them, it's about as limp of an attack as I could possibly imagine.
Between all the red-scaring and drumming up 'scandals' out of shit that's, at worse, a bit of a political miscalculation, you'd think this place was crawling with Republicans. If it quacks like a duck...
No, of course they don't. People just think they do abortions. That's why there was a shooting at the PP at Colorado Springs last November.
Pretty sure the vast majority of Democrats know. It's been a talking point of theirs for a good while now.
exmachina64
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People aren't going to stop being religious in this country overnight and the Republicans will still have a grip on Congress, state legislatures, and a significant majority of governorships. It'd be quite the coup d'état to overcome that.
Will socialists better learn, so these Bernie mistakes don't happen in the future
But the point is why is that?
I'm sure PP would love it if Republicans got on board instead of characterizing them as baby part dealers and the antithesis of all that is clean and holy. PP has become an increasingly political entity as a means of survival at this point.
Its impossible
half the nation thinks periods are satan.. :\
We even have a tampon tax here..
Zoe
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So they're immune from criticism?
excelsiorlef
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PP exists in Canada bro
Some people in the organization are too intent on propping up 'establishment' candidates, as evidenced by them breaking precedent to endorse his opponent in the primaries.
Propping them up or believe they are the best fit for their organizational goals?
Bernie already expressed an antagonistic view of them, so they might be right.
It's coming across as "they endorsed Hillary instead of me, so fuck them!"
SenorArdilla
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Ted, stop. What are you doing?
excelsiorlef
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This election will literally determine if they get to continue to even exist.
Hillary has actively spoken in their defense and has a history of actually putting forth legislation in their defense.
Bernie btw skipped out on the defund planned parenthood vote in Dec.
So yeah....
Yes, but not in the same capacity.
We also have things like http://www.sexualhealthandrights.ca and multiple other programs. ( http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/abortioninfo/bc.shtml#hospitals )
But you can go to 30 hospitals in BC to have an abortion, as well as a bunch of clinics. It's covered by Universal Healthcare.
Right. They've become so intertwined with politics as of late that they've become part of the Democratic political and media establishment. They need Democratic voters, so this is a symbiotic relationship.
veloxStrix
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When a group that should be focusing on helping others - like HRC and PP - has the spare funds to support and endorse a presidential candidate, then yes. I believe there is something fundamentally wrong there.
Planned Parenthood should absolutely not be using itself as a vehicle for a presidential candidates agenda. It's just another type of lobbying but without "big oil" or some other media buzzword attached to it.
Planned Parenthood should absolutely not be using itself as a vehicle for a presidential candidates agenda. It's just another type of lobbying but without "big oil" or some other media buzzword attached to it.
What's their argument for endorsing Hillary which, again, goes against prior precedent? Can't be voting record. Is it that they need to get out in front and do what they can to stop Bernie from winning the nomination? If so, again, that fits right into his narrative.
"fuck them" is a bit strong, I think. It's unfortunate that he mentioned them in the same breath as Wall Street, but I think you've put some significant spin on his comments if you really come away thinking he's got a problem with PP that would influence his policies.
On one hand, fair enough. Not sure what his excuse was there.
On the other (more defensive) hand, there's no way that bill would've passed over Obama's desk without a veto. It was a total waste of time.
Berine skipped out on voting for them as soon as Dec.
We are checking the record right?
He was kind of busy running a campaign. Also, his vote wouldn't have amounted to jack shit, and he knew it.
So they should sit back and wait to see if a candidate will be able to keep them functionally alive after one of the two political parties has made it part of their platform to demonize them into non-existence.
PP has put out an extremely detailed list of why they backed Hillary, and did not disparage Bernie at all. But apparently attacking them because they are trying to fight for their existence is just establishment politics.
To me it's pretty clear statement from PP - meant to boost a struggling Clinton campaign that's down in the 18-45 women demographic. A political move that is meant to shift this trend in the opposite direction. After the comments of DWS recently about young women being complacent I'm not surprised by the move myself but I'm guessing Bernie's camp was surprised by the unprecedented endorsement of Hillary.
Considering both Sanders and Clinton are staunch defenders of PP - endorsing Clinton is nothing more than a political move rather than anything else you are trying to paint it as.
Considering both Sanders and Clinton are staunch defenders of PP - endorsing Clinton is nothing more than a political move rather than anything else you are trying to paint it as.
Yeah but after they ban all muslims.. surely they aren't just going to stop there. I don't wanna build mexicos wall
Don't worry, you'll get paid in Mexican pesos for your work .
Yeah he's going to do that just after discovering a cure for cancer.
And fuck doctors if you had a cureall you wouldn't need them.
Let's throw them under the bus with nurses too, they're part of the medical complex after all.
This is the first time PP had endorsed a candidate on the primary level in its 100 year history.
This is also the first election season where every single Republican candidate has promised to make defunding PP a core part of their agenda.
If PP wants to continue bring around to help people, then hell yes it makes complete sense to get political.
And they never have to this point, Hilary was the first time they endorsed a candidate in the primary season, and they did so not just because she is an advocate but they are getting attacked unfairly as a political lightning rod that they are forced to become political to even survive. They endorsed the candidate they most felt protected their ability to administer services but also who would be a large proponent for them if elected. Given how Bernie responded to the question, I don't think they made a bad choice in the matter. Bernie maybe on their side, but he is not talkative supporter who I can see putting his neck out to defend them like Hilary has and will in the future, for better or worse.
Bernie has put minority and women's issues on the back-burning the entire campaign, while Hilary has been on the forefront of women's issues since forever.
its is not the same at all. Trying to equate their impact is ridiculous.
Bernie's reaction to their endorsement means they doubly chose right.
eBay Huckster
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this excuse didn't fly in 2008 when seven sitting senators were running, it shouldn't fly now
so what you're saying is... he was pragmatic about his vote
If your analogy was true, then the rest of the modern world has cured cancer.
"fuck them" might be a bit strong. But for reasons I do not understand, the Sanders campaign is doubling down on their PP statements. Particularly since PP is so popular with groups essential to winning the Democratic Nomination.
NDP_Mulcair
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I agree. A non-profit that helps women has no place taking sides in a political battle.
We already know that they're pro-Democrat. We already know that electing either Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton would keep them alive and well-funded. So why did they have to go the extra mile and endorse somebody?
I think Bernie might be on to something here. It may be a minor part of the cog in the machine, but it still bothers me.
Of course, as the reaction in this thread shows, this is the exact opposite of what his campaign should be doing, because attacking Planned Parenthood isn't going to get him votes...it's just going to make him more decisive and turn off voters who are on the fence. Really, really stupid decision on his part.
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