Green Mamba
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Sticker Star isn't even a good game on its own standards.
Proper as in not terrible.
Emily Rogers: Nintendo Working on Unannounced Wii U Game [Update: Paper Mario]
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I hope so. That's honestly the only reason I'm hyped for the game since I'm pretty sure the gameplay will be a carbon copy of Sticker Star rather than TTYD wich is a two gen old game. Nintendo has been pushing games with that method on the latest years. 3D Land first on 3DS and later we got 3D World on Wii U with the exact same mechanics only in HD and cat outfit. Mario Kart 7 first and later with MK8 on the U using similar mechanics only in HD, the gravity gimmick and a couple of new items. NSMB 2 first and 3 months later NSMBU on Wii U with the exact same everything except a more robust overworld and it's in HD.
We can expect the same fate for this new Paper Mario : /
"Proper" will always mean "exactly the way I want it" to the users of it.
Sticker Star and Paper Jam had extremely bland characters, story and setting despite both series being known for inventive locations, charming NPCs and interesting stories. Sticker Star is also the best selling Paper Mario game in Japan and Nintendo prioritizes the Japanese market.Nintendo threads are veritable fonts of negativity on neogaf. It's tiresome sometimes when you actually want to see comments about the subject of the thread instead of peripheral grouses.
The latest thing is that every thread about a game that has amiibo functionality rehashes the same complaints about "locked" content.
I'm not surprised that a thread about an unannounced new game has turned into another complaint thread even though we know JACK SHIT about this game apart from what the franchise is.
Let me just f&%^g imagine that's it'll be a game worth complaining about and let me just start f&^*&g complaining from now. And of course, when the game is actually announced I'll complain in its thread too!
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I will be happy to eat crow but the negativity is more than justified.
It would be awesome if they were free promotional doodads for the game.
e.g. Print out scannable characters from the website.
Super Paper Mario had some really imaginative locales and some of the best writing in the series but the actual game play got really lackluster and samey, and some of the chapters felt like throwaway and padding. Also a large majority of the new characters looking like they were made in a day with Photoshop geometry tools is kinda uninspiring.
It's the kind of game I think back to and I remember elements of the game, thinking to myself "huh you know, maybe the game wasn't that bad" until I actually replay it and remember why I dislike it. It kind of shows IntSys beginning to lose a little bit of a creative spark which is why I blame them just as much for Sticker Star as I do Miyamoto, if not more so, since that game's poor writing and design can hardly be attributed to Miyamoto wanting them to make something less RPG-y with mostly existing characters.
The bolded is very smart, as that is exactly what Nintendo has been doing for a while now.
I'm personally not excited at all for this leaked rumor due to, well, not know what it is. Sorta like how some people don't care much for the Sonic series as while they want one thing (Classic style, Modern Style, Adventure Style, ect) and get something else entirely, I feel the same way with Paper Mario.
I WANT a game like TTYD or the N64 original but who knows if we are getting that; we could be getting another Sticker Star.
The only thing I'm looking forward to for sure with this leaked rumor is the soundtrack and the visuals; two elements that are going to be impressive no matter what Intelligent Systems and Myamotto try to do.
Isn't one chapter set in a "hell" as well?
That's usually not unique, but in a mario rpg yeah.
Indeed but I wasn't turned off to SPM. Enjoyed the gameplay but I really miss fighting on stage in front of a crowd and random junk happening thanks to the stage effects and audience members...and looking out for luigi occasionally sneaking in lol.
Since Nintendo did a pretty good work imitating things such as clay with Kirby and the Rainbow Curse and Yarn with Yoshi's Wolly World, I expect the same for this new Paper Mario and that it will finally look like they are actually made of paper like the artwork of Sticker Star:
I think they know we didn't like Sticker Star and could see them making it be more like 64 and TTYD instead.
Nintendo can be tone deaf though; just look at the Metroid series being handled post Other M. Fans in the west loathed the game and they do nothing for years to appease the hardcore fan base. Then they announce a cool looking game called Federation Force but its not the Metroid people want (2D game or first person game), so they loath that game.
Nintendo doesn't do this all the time (made fixes/changes to other games like 3D World with the more focus on 3D Mario vs. 2D Mario for example) but still, they can be tone deaf.
Regarding Federation Force, I think it looks cool and Next Level will do a great job with the game
.They did make a great new 2D Mario though; Mario Maker is an amazing step for the franchise that is something to make everyone happy.
I picture the next line of 2D Mario's to follow Mario Maker, as it would ensure everyone is happy with the art style (four different looks + using Mario 2/Mario USA and Yoshis Island styles) and the level design can be really creative.
It means stop trying to turn Paper Mario into some brand new experience that plays nothing like TYD.
Its like if Pikmin 3 was a generic 2D platformer even though the gap between 2 and 3 was gigantic and the series is not stale in the slightest to warrant ruining what made the series good.
Isn't sticker star one of the best selling Paper Mario games? Hopefully numbers won't do the talking. :/
Nintendo threads are veritable fonts of negativity on neogaf. It's tiresome sometimes when you actually want to see comments about the subject of the thread instead of peripheral grouses.
The latest thing is that every thread about a game that has amiibo functionality rehashes the same complaints about "locked" content.
I'm not surprised that a thread about an unannounced new game has turned into another complaint thread even though we know JACK SHIT about this game apart from what the franchise is.
Let me just f&%^g imagine that's it'll be a game worth complaining about and let me just start f&^*&g complaining from now. And of course, when the game is actually announced I'll complain in its thread too!
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Eh, there's plenty of blind praise on GAF to even out all the negativity.
I don't think being pessimistic about a new Paper Mario is that unreasonable considering the last few entries in the series.
I'm pretty sure Super Paper Mario is far and away the best selling, and they still responded to criticism of it that led to some of the design decisions in making Sticker Star.
The reasonable expectation is to just assume that they'll be doing something different again.
Which points to Sticker Star being the 'main' game that people draw from in making future Paper Mario related games. We saw signs of this with Paper Jam, with assets and characters being pulled whole-sale from Sticker Star and many mechanics, graphics and the like being used based on the Sticker Star versions.
Honestly, not even excited about this new Paper Mario until we see some gamplay or something on the title, so people having a 'lets see what happens' attitude on this project is understandable.
DoctorFling
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I always felt the complaining about the New games has been dumb, they released one per console. It's hardly Call of Duty. I don't care much for Paper Mario as a series, but if this is true I might get it later on.
Crazyorloco
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I think the real final year for the wii u is next year. It is great news nintendo has more in store for the wii u. The support they have shown for the wii u has been great (given the small population).
They can't really pull assets from Sticker Star for this one since it's on the Wii U though, so it likely means that new assets are being made for it. It's a little early to think that Sticker Star is in any way the inspiration for future Paper Mario games.
If the NX handheld is coming out first, then I agree with this statement
. A lot is coming out this year on Wii U and if the NX console is releasing next year, we already got two more games for Wii U this year (Zelda U and Pikmin 4, though both I expect to be cross-gen). Nintendo has done a great job supporting the Wii U with first party exclusives so I hope they keep it up this year
. Last fall had a few disappointments (everything but Xenoblade X and Yoshi's Woolly World; Mario Tennis, Amiibo AC, and Fatal Frame disappointed some people) but otherwise they've been doing a good job.That is a plus but still doesn't make fans of the first two games any better :l. Its hard to be excited about this until we see gameplay. Like I said said before, this is what Sonic fans feel when they want one thing (Classic, Adventure, Modern, Rush, ect) but get something else entirely.
El Pescado
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I think I said this earlier in the thread, but Sticker Star was a great game. It just wasn't an RPG. It infuriates me to see people hate all over it because it was actually a really fun Adventure game.
the thoroughbred
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Have you played any of the previous two?
but before Sticker Star, Super Paper Mario was (and still is) the biggest Paper Mario seller by far. And they deviated from SPM despite it's commercial success. So it's not impossible for them to deviate from Sticker Star even though it did decently. It's still a couple million less than SPM anyhow. But past sales isn't a good indicator for a franchise as unpredicatable as this one.
basically, we don't know what they'll do.
Linkstrikesback
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And if they'd made it an rpg (and had decent partner character designs), it would have been well received. The problem is, it does the platforming stuff worse than an actual mario game and the rpg elements stuff worse than the previous paper mario games.
Of course it was though. It was a wii game in 2007. The other two were released on the N64 as it died, and on the gamecube which is pretty much a ban from "wii like" sales ever occuring anyway.
I never said it was a bad game, but its not the game people want. They want a Paper Mario RPG, not a platformer or an adventure Paper Mario.
I'm open to a new Sticker Star if they fix the issues from the original but not many would be happy with it.
Either way, this leaked announcement is generating more fear for what the game will even be then something to be excited about. Hoping it makes everyone happy but not expecting it to honestly.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Sticker Star selling more than the others had nothing to do with how it was designed, it was just in the right place at the right time. I'm sure they won't use Sticker Star as it's template, especially this late into the Wii U's lifespan where quality means a hell of a lot to keep consumers interested.
Super Paper Mario was an anomaly where the developers experimented with a new and quite frankly fascinating gameplay style, it wasn't an RPG but it was damn good. Sticker Star is nothing more than a blip on the radar and I'm certain we'll see nothing else like it from the franchise. If anything Paper Jam is a reminder that Paper Mario is an RPG franchise and we'll certainly get a great RPG this time, I'm 80% sure.
Eeeh, origami-er than that. I expect the amiibo to do a similar thing to the yarn yoshi's.
People often say fans don't know what they want and stuff like that.. but...
I don't want to say the fans know better than the designers, but I could almost guarantee you if you gave any random PM fanboy some authority in design decisions for Sticker Star, you'd have gotten a more positively received game.
A Link to the Past
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It means "in the style of the first two games."
Simbabbad
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Yes, I played all the series, and I'm not sure what you're supposed to imply since SPM plays nothing like SM64 and TTYD, and I was judging SPM on its own (lack of) merits.
I love adventure games, but to me PMSS is a disaster. It's like every time Guybrush Threepwood used an object in Monkey Island, that object disappeared whether it was the right one or not, and Guybrush had to backtrack all the way to get it again, or buy it from some remote store... and if Guybrush had a very limited inventory with absolutely no way to know which object was useful or not. All that with completely nonsensical and unintuitive puzzles where radiators melt snow but candles don't, and there is no distinction between stickers used for combat and stickers used for puzzles.
Not being like the first two games was Sticker Star's least worry. It was a terrible adventure game with fundamental flaws. I was astonished it shipped as it is.
Best news I've heard all day.
Never tried Sticker Star, and I'm not a massive fan of Super Paper Mario, but even just seeing the trailer for a new Paper Mario RPG in HD will give me a certain amount of joy. Will be a nice bonus if they can equal or better the first two games.
I'm expecting origami on the gamepad, if only for a bonus game.
Never tried Sticker Star, and I'm not a massive fan of Super Paper Mario, but even just seeing the trailer for a new Paper Mario RPG in HD will give me a certain amount of joy. Will be a nice bonus if they can equal or better the first two games.
I'm expecting origami on the gamepad, if only for a bonus game.
Sticker Star debuted at 130k and went on to sell 564k. Clearly the world of mouth must have been positive if it continued to sell that well. It's not a stretch to assume it would heavily influence a sequel.
Super Paper Mario was great. I wish it had been more of an RPG than a platformer but the world, characters and story were still what you would expect from a Mario RPG.
Yes, Paper Jam retains the RPG and other gameplay mechanics of the M&L series but that's all. It has zero original characters, little humor, a basic and boring story, and generic locales and enemies. It may as well have been called The Generic Mario RPG and if that's the kind of game we're getting, then count me out.
Lionel Richie
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0/10, almost got me.
Simbabbad
Member
Happy man.
I did forget to say I do share your feeling though, I'm very happy about this news. I'm also happy it's on Wii U because I see tremendous potential for gamepad use.
Jonneh3003
Banned
The focus on Paper Jam wasn't on originality as much as combining two different franchises, which whether it did well is debatable. It's the only Mario and Luigi game to stick to the Mushroom Kingdom so I'm not entirely generic is the correct term to use, it's pretty different to the other games in the series in setting. Would a Mario and Luigi X Paper Mario game have made sense in a whole new setting? I think what they did was appropriate enough but some design decisions were questionable.
Inteligent Systems had little to do with Paper Jam so we can't expect Alpha Dream's design choices to reflect on the future of Paper Mario. We know nothing so it's best just to go in with an open mind. What's with all the negativity in this thread?
Green Mamba
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Because the last Paper Mario game released that was actually good was over eleven years ago, and the last Paper Mario title was very contentious within the fanbase.
Why should people be positive when they have no reason to?
People don't want Sticker Star 2 and would want a traditional Paper Mario RPG like the first two games. But we have no idea what the game even is, so people being worried is perfectly reasonable.
Spieler Eins
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And then they forced 3D Mario and both Mario RPG series' into the painfully generic and trashy NSMB framework, because they are still blinded by the long faded success of the DS and Wii games from 7-10 years ago. And let's not forget the cynical attempt of double cash grabbing by turning that Luigi pack into another retail release after NSMBU. Paper Jam is just pathetic at this point. Mixing two series known for creative worlds and scenarios and then making it a NSMB RPG... It feels like a wonder that at least Mario Kart 8 actually felt not phoned-in.
And all the ,,hyped sequels" are infinitely more ambitious than any of the platforming NSMB map pack could ever be.
Zelda, Paper Mario, Pikmin 4, and you're starting to have a pretty solid lineup, especially if StarFox gets pushed back a little, and there's SMTxFE in there too.
I was a solid believer of NX Home in 2016 along with the handheld, but now it's starting to look more likely that NX Home could launch in Spring 2017. Get the last holiday out of the way.
It would be rather grim if Nintendo pushed it all the way to holiday 2017 though.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Because we know nothing about the game so there's nothing to actually complain about? People just love to complain for the sake of complaining, as used a few times in this thread:
The Paper Mario series has deviated from what people loved about the first two, once in a great way and again in a flawed way. There have not be enough installments since The Thousand Year Door to prove that the franchise won't return back to it's roots, we've had just two games that have experimented with the formula and if anything Sticker Star showed us that the core gameplay was still intact even if it was hidden upon layers of questionable design choices.
I doubt it'll look like this, unfortunately.
