Yeah, I know, that pretty much how I feel, too. Will it change Fates? No, of course not, it's too late for that. But it was also too late for Tomodachi Life when #Miiquality happened, too, yet it still had a big impact. It could maybe save this from happening again with the next Fire Emblem game (but I imagine they'll likely just never go back to this feature again, unfortunately). That said, I'd want to try to spread a positive message, as I did with #Miiquality, but even that got spun negatively by the media and many people.
Fire Emblem Fates' localization doesn't have the petting minigame
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mikefrails
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People who are and aren't personally violated by otaku culture have a high school-like rivalry here apparently.
Garrett Hawke
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That sucks.
Found this pic on twitter and its hilarious (for different reasons)
should be holding a Vita
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
You'd have to look around on Serenesforest. It's been a long time since I've touched Fire Emblem from the SNES era.
QisTopTier
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Oh, okay. I haven't played that. The art from first impression turned me away. I haven't really played a Fire Emblem game since the one for Wii.
edit: this one.
Well that's the only one since that one
No one said it equals better. What people are saying is that harmless 100% optional content is easy to overlook if you dont care for it and others are able to at least appreciate the option.
Bad analogy because a) nothing in a movie is optional/interactive and b) Jar Jar is the least of Episode I's problems and the only thing about that intrepid movie that was written by an actual person, regardless of how stupid he turned out to be.
C.Olimar788
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I have, actually. In fact, the only Fire Emblem I played to completion was Awakening, and I very much enjoyed it. It had a lot of humor and whimsy in the support conversations that was decidedly different in tone than creepily petting your troops' heads!
I'm not entirely sure I can agree with options being 100% optional. They are part of the game experience, thus they impact the overall, for better or for worse. If, for instance, Smash Bros. had an optional mode (completely optional! hidden away in the menus! etc) where you dressed up all the characters in swimsuits purely to ogle at them, it would impact the game. I can at least speak as one person who was not going to buy this game before and might now because of NoA's working to remove stuff that I find distasteful.
This post legitimately brightened my day. Thank you for this insanity.
Sgt.Pepper
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Oh, okay. I haven't played that. The art from first impression turned me away. I haven't really played a Fire Emblem game since the one for Wii.
edit: this one.
you mean the fire emblem with flat characters, lack of support and story structured that made a lot of units a pain in the ass to use, with a hard mode where you can to manually count the tiles
Good game, but it is as "serious" as awakening. Path of Radiance is probably the best one storywise personally.
Kinda glad this happened. I don't mind the "pairing" aspect if it is a little dramatic, but this shit was just weird.
Oh shit, is this what Chapter 3 was going to be? Moving on from DD's paw pads to ocelot's stubble?
Oh shit, is this what Chapter 3 was going to be? Moving on from DD's paw pads to ocelot's stubble?
I mean have you watched any recent anime that isn't mainstream shounen?
dangeraaron10
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So not only is the creepy weird drug conversation gone
but now that face touching thing is gone
Not only am I even more glad for Fates, I actually don't feel bad about wanting to buy the Corrin DLC for Smash. Great change, and it actually raises my hype levels slightly for Fates. Localization taking the old scrubbing pad to this, good enough I say. I'm here to play the damn strategy game, not whatever the hell.
but now that face touching thing is gone
Not only am I even more glad for Fates, I actually don't feel bad about wanting to buy the Corrin DLC for Smash. Great change, and it actually raises my hype levels slightly for Fates. Localization taking the old scrubbing pad to this, good enough I say. I'm here to play the damn strategy game, not whatever the hell.
Coffee Dog
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I do not know how you can draw the line and say that marrying 1000 year old dragon girls is okay and face petting isn't. At least one of those is funny.
Waylon Drums
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Nintendo is all "we took it out but it's not creepy or anything."
Uhhhh, then why take it out? Oh, because it IS creepy. Got it.
Uhhhh, then why take it out? Oh, because it IS creepy. Got it.
I just wonder why a compromise couldn't be reached.
This is a substantial amount of content. It's an entire mode within the campaign. Outside of the fleeting S-rank conversations, it's your only reliable way to see the detailed models and animations for all of the characters at any time. A lot of work went into modeling/illustrating/animating them. It's your only reliable way to see them up close in detail. As someone who loves model viewers and Kozaki's art, I see value in this.
Again, why couldn't they modify it instead of removing it entirely?
If they're concerned about inappropriate behavior with underage characters, why not just remove the touching for those characters and limit their interactions to conversations?
If they're concerned about suggestive dialogue (which may or may not be there — I have no idea), why not rewrite the lines to tone them down, or simply remove those lines entirely?
If they simply think that touching someone's cheek is "creepy," why not just make it clear with text in-game that you're just patting them on the head or something, regardless of where you actually touch them?
Again, these are fully clothed individuals that simply smile, tilt their head and (sometimes) blush slightly. This is not pornography.
I just wonder why they would rather axe this volume of content instead of tweaking it. Maybe they really were just trying to downscale the size of the localization project?
This is a substantial amount of content. It's an entire mode within the campaign. Outside of the fleeting S-rank conversations, it's your only reliable way to see the detailed models and animations for all of the characters at any time. A lot of work went into modeling/illustrating/animating them. It's your only reliable way to see them up close in detail. As someone who loves model viewers and Kozaki's art, I see value in this.
Again, why couldn't they modify it instead of removing it entirely?
If they're concerned about inappropriate behavior with underage characters, why not just remove the touching for those characters and limit their interactions to conversations?
If they're concerned about suggestive dialogue (which may or may not be there — I have no idea), why not rewrite the lines to tone them down, or simply remove those lines entirely?
If they simply think that touching someone's cheek is "creepy," why not just make it clear with text in-game that you're just patting them on the head or something, regardless of where you actually touch them?
Again, these are fully clothed individuals that simply smile, tilt their head and (sometimes) blush slightly. This is not pornography.
I just wonder why they would rather axe this volume of content instead of tweaking it. Maybe they really were just trying to downscale the size of the localization project?
REMAINSILLY
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So what is it about the United States being against anything inappropriate, but fun?
Suzushiiro
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My stance on stuff like this has always been that it's fine when it's something that a sizable number of people who are actually interested in buying the game would have a problem with and fucking idiotic when it's just done to avoid a shitstorm from conservative soccer moms or progressive Sarkessian followers who would have completely ignored the game if it didn't have content they were interested in complaining about. This one sounds like it's a little closer to the former, though having never played a FE game I'm not really sure how crazy it is relative to the rest of the content.
I think if the anti-censorship (or "censorship" depending on how you want to see it) crowd can serve any good it's in that if companies start thinking they're damned if they do and damned if they don't and will piss off somebody whether they change stuff like this or leave it in they'll start prioritizing the people who are actually interested in buying the game over the people who are more interested in starting shitstorms when companies remove or leave in content like this when they make these decisions.
I think if the anti-censorship (or "censorship" depending on how you want to see it) crowd can serve any good it's in that if companies start thinking they're damned if they do and damned if they don't and will piss off somebody whether they change stuff like this or leave it in they'll start prioritizing the people who are actually interested in buying the game over the people who are more interested in starting shitstorms when companies remove or leave in content like this when they make these decisions.
Haunted
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should be a vitaFound this pic on twitter and its hilarious (for different reasons)
edit: damn you shaanyboi!
KainXVIII
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Ha-ha, right!
Scientist Supreme!
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I wonder how many people dislike this feature think it's only for female characters and similar to Criminal girl? Im sure people know this and still find it "creepy" but that's surely where most dislike comes from.
NinjaCoachZ
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I don't approve of that stuff at all either. This feature's removal is a step in the right direction but it's definitely not the only nasty thing in the series.
My point was that from everything I've seen, most people (gamers, fire emblem fans alike, etc) didn't like the feature, which seems to be what you're saying as well. Sorry for the misinterpretation.
Like everywhere I go on the game, I hear people say "yeah, the gameplay looks cool, but the face-touching stuff is weird". If that's such a common opinion then clearly it's not just some fringe group who finds the petting strange.
Shadow Dragon came after Radiant Dawn.
There's also an excellent fan translation for Fire Emblem 12 on DS. People should play that if they like the series. It remakes the second campaign of the first SNES title, but offers a ton of improvements over Shadow Dragon.
Coffee Dog
Banned
why are you playing fire emblem
none of the fire emblems except for the SNES titles are serious. They are all varying levels of animu garbage.
I wonder if the camilla scene was removed or not.
In my defense, a 5 year gap separates that Wii game and the new 3DS one.
Never said I loved it ¯\_(ツ
_/¯I was only ever truly fond of the GBA era FE games. Full disclosure though, I appreciate earnestness in these types of settings over petting/dating simulations.
jack_package_200
Banned
They should release Radiant Dawn on wii u eshop
As for the topic at hand, I don't think its a bad change.
As for the topic at hand, I don't think its a bad change.
Snkfanatic
Banned
Nothing was stopping you from playing your "damn strategy game" in the first place. It was all optional.
Good question
SliceSabre
Banned
Dragon Ball Z, Full Metal Alchemist, Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo.
ZombiePlatypus
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You're stretch of an analogy contaminates the entire meal with inedible content. The censored, optional feature here had no impact on the rest of the game.
It's like they were afraid of the game having too much personality, as there are already posts in this thread echoing the "Serious, good, core RPGs can't possibly also be kooky" sentiment.
captainpat
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It's in the NA trailer so *thinks of Rainbow Mika*.....maybe.
kuroneko0509
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no it is not
ShinRPGamer
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Knowing what they did with Tharja, they'll probably just add a cloth that appears out of place witht the art.
And it will probably make it more lewd like with Tharja. 
WiiRevolution1
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Kinda sucks, since I really wanted to have some fun with it since it seemed so dumb, but in the end I really don't care. As long as they don't touch either lesbian relationship then I'm good. And honesly no reason for them to censor the actual gameplay so I don't see anything of importance being cut.
It's definitely that is it? There's absolutely no other reason this could have happened, other than fear of a non-existent controversy? I'm sure you have a source for this incontrovertible fact?
It certainly couldn't be that this was looked at by a bunch of people with fresh eyes, who then collectively decided "yep, this is fucked up, this makes the game worse, let's cut it." There's absolutely no way that happened.
Spot on.
Technically, we don't know if they cut the part where they pan across her ass. I could see them snipping that part. lol
C.Olimar788
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I certainly do not! I hate how Nowe is portrayed in Awakening and I would cut her-slash-age her up in a heartbeat. If I'm entirely honest, if I had known about her prior to buying Awakening I might not have bought it, but here we are.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSS!!!
percheD for the meltdowns!!!
What show is that gif?
WrenchNinja
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Yeah you generally don't wear pants with dresses
kuroneko0509
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Crash Station
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It was made out of either a fear of controversy, a cost-cutting method due to the large swaths of dialogue, or a little bit of both.
And yes, someone looking at something and saying "this is fucked up, we should cut it" is absolutely a fear of controversy. An optional mode being removed does not make a game better, it makes it worse.
Because the majority of people here don't even play the game long enough or at all to care about the intricacies of the mechanics.
Also FE is just animu waifu garbage now so who cares about gameplay?
Modest Mauser
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Sounds good.
Ohmygoditsjrod
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Who out there actually enjoys eating fecal matter? Like I want to know.
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