Fire Emblem Fates' localization doesn't have the petting minigame
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Cymbal Head
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First they game for the confusing girl love subplots, and I did not speak out, because that shit's weird.
Then they came for the face rubbing minigames, and I did not speak out, because I was not a weeb.
Then they came for the face rubbing minigames, and I did not speak out, because I was not a weeb.
SoulUnison
Banned
Nice, maybe I'll actually pick it up at some point, then.
The whole "Human PokemonAmie" thing was just lame and pandering, at best, creepy and sad, at worst.
If they cut the same-sex relationships, though, that's a "real" censorship issue.
The whole "Human PokemonAmie" thing was just lame and pandering, at best, creepy and sad, at worst.
If they cut the same-sex relationships, though, that's a "real" censorship issue.
I'm looking up the definition of the word censorship.
I don't see where its used wrongly in this case.
Heck, there's a whole long article on video game censorship on wikipedia. Though I'm sure some people will say that's an untrustworthy source and I'll agree with that. At the same time, the site does have some good insights.
I don't see where its used wrongly in this case.
Heck, there's a whole long article on video game censorship on wikipedia. Though I'm sure some people will say that's an untrustworthy source and I'll agree with that. At the same time, the site does have some good insights.
bagandscalpel
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Seeing her in FE7 drove home the fact that she is around even before some characters in FE6 were alive.
lord_of_flood
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Totally okay with this. I was pretty weirded out by it to begin with, and if I were a business like Nintendo, alienating the general audience would be a far worse idea to me than appealing to a niche portion of the audience (pervs and the "but it's censorship!" people, mainly).
Discussion of matters like this have legitimately reached the point where I can't tell if people are actually upset or being sarcastic or whatever anymore.
I'm not personally at all upset at them not having a weirdly perverse feature in a game from a company that is supposed to be so family friendly, but it begs the question of why do Nintendo add it at all in the first place? Is it really so integral to the experience for japan that it would harm sales to not have it for that market, even though it flies in the face of so many of their global values?
I'm not personally at all upset at them not having a weirdly perverse feature in a game from a company that is supposed to be so family friendly, but it begs the question of why do Nintendo add it at all in the first place? Is it really so integral to the experience for japan that it would harm sales to not have it for that market, even though it flies in the face of so many of their global values?
Citizen Mane
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Sweet, I think I'll pick one of these up then. I've always loved Fire Emblem but seeing that petting bullshit in videos completely turned me off of this one.
KirbYuuYuu
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It's not cut since we found out In the soleil thread
NeonZ
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I guess we'll know for sure based on whether they'll remove the script variations for the avatar once again. Fates had 3 different scripts for each gender in the Japanese version, so if we end up with only one per gender then they're clearly attempting to cut anything they consider non-essential.
Intelligent Systems technically isn't part of Nintendo. According to an interview in a recent book about the series' history, this feature was added just because they wanted to try the live 2d technology. They first attempted to use them for conversation portraits, but thought the constant movement was distracting. Then added them to confession scenes, but it seemed like they'd be barely appearing in that case. Finally, they ended up going with the skinship feature in order to feature it somewhere where the player would have optional access fairly often. Also, apparently part of the staff wanted to make it usable on the lower body too, but they ended up settling with face-only.
LordGorchnik
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The hyperbole in this thread my goodness.
That being said its another lost sale for me. Nintendo why do you do this?
Actually now that I think about it are we still getting the characters that you can enter a same-sex relationship with?
That being said its another lost sale for me. Nintendo why do you do this?
Actually now that I think about it are we still getting the characters that you can enter a same-sex relationship with?
Little Monser
Banned
Of course lol, I'm just glad it's no longer in there. Thought it was weird anyways. Again, glad you thought it good joke post
Hm? No, her entire story is that she's been locked up in the hidden dragon village her entire life. She's never seen a battlefield. Though she did house sit for Hawkeye in that one bandit chapter in FE7. (which... I find really odd tbh, considering how locked up she is in FE6, though that's probably because Bern was out and about)
Though, Fae had a human friend that died but everyone refuses to tell Fae this :/ (though Sophia is happy to tell Fae that Fae will outlive most people and Fae freaks :U )
vainglorious
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These Fire Emblem threads have been amazing lately
Anyways, Camilla dun' curr, she'll let you pet her anytime
Anyways, Camilla dun' curr, she'll let you pet her anytime
nintendoman58
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Thank you for posting this. The fact that people are outright cheering about this feature being removed is honestly kind of sad. It was an optional feature that some people would have enjoyed and could have been very well ignored by those who didn't.
Well now it's no longer optional. It's gone completely. And this is a cause for celebration.
Sigh.
It is kind of funny that 80s/90s Nintendo of criticised for their overbearing editing (to avoid the term censoring) of games, but this decision, which is technically in the same light, is being praised by some.
Will be interesting to see in a similar amount of time if the recent decisions by Nintendo will still be viewed positively or more in light with the opinions for their older self.
Will be interesting to see in a similar amount of time if the recent decisions by Nintendo will still be viewed positively or more in light with the opinions for their older self.
That I do agree with you on quite a bit.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Considering this news, I can think of more stuff that will most definitely be getting removed.
I have no idea what this is, and I am not about to read an article about something I don't care about to tell you my opinion about it.
I am talking about Fire Emblem Fates.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Rinさとり;193377063 said:
Boy that seems like a bit much.
Fascinating how people use censorship as such a blanket term, almost as if they're trying to avoid arguing what's actually being changed here and why it shouldn't be. Seriously good luck explaining the face rubbing or that magic potion nonsense to your average not crazy person.
Nothing of any actual value to the story or core gameplay is being cut here at all.
Edit-Also arguing it can "be ignored" is some weak ass shit. It's a horrible idea to expect people to be happy with intentionally ignoring something weird. Just say "hey something in this game is offensive/weird but you can ignore it" does that sound like it's not gonna put some people off? You're refusing to actually address people's complaints and hand waving it away because you're into rubbing anime faces and want to be pandered to even if it's in a ridiculous context. I seriously wonder how these same people would react if the feature had been cut before it really made it to the game at all, would you still be crying censorship?
KazenY2J
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It's so creepy though! Those otaku ruin everything!
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DICKS AHOY
Banned
Of the mindset this stuff was incredibly stupid (even in X&Y where it makes more sense I don't really get what touching your characters all over really accomplishes) but I also don't see the point of removing it unlike the weird gay conversion unit conversation. Wasn't it literally just rubbing your hands over someone's face?
Coffee Dog
Banned
It was. That's the thing with this conversation; localization is just the more accurate term. Censorship is if an official government body is involved. We're using censorship and localization even though to many (who are not aware of censorship's proper definition) they are interchangeable terms.
Ooccoo
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Nintendo, telling you what's fair or not, one game at a time.
The parenting mentality is out of control.
Imagine the following: an author releases a book in Japan. For its translation, the publishing company chooses to remove some chapters that are deemed too controversial. I don't care if it's actually shit or not, this sets a dangerous precedent for creativity/freedom.
This is a huge mistake. This is not an Enhanced Version. Stop telling me what is or is not OK. Most gamers have a brain and can tell if something sucks, but this is going too far.
The parenting mentality is out of control.
Imagine the following: an author releases a book in Japan. For its translation, the publishing company chooses to remove some chapters that are deemed too controversial. I don't care if it's actually shit or not, this sets a dangerous precedent for creativity/freedom.
This is a huge mistake. This is not an Enhanced Version. Stop telling me what is or is not OK. Most gamers have a brain and can tell if something sucks, but this is going too far.
SolicitorPirate
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I'm aware. And its emblematic of how divorced the gaming community is from reality.
Right. I just arbitrarily don't like the use of the word. Not because the word is not only inaccurate, but that it's fucking insulting to those who have to deal with and are affected by actual censorship. Jesus fucking Christ.
dreamlongdead
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I actually can't think of one single example where Nintendo's changes or removals improved any game other than making it less "offensive" to some people.
It's interesting how all this stuff isn't censorship and just gets handwaved as localization.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if they removed the same sex couple options from the game. Would it continue to be localization, or would it suddenly become censorship.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if they removed the same sex couple options from the game. Would it continue to be localization, or would it suddenly become censorship.
That is localization, unless the US government stepped in.
I am not hand waving away the changes made, by all means be angry about the changes. But just because you don't like them doesn't mean they are censorship.
I'd probably reset, as her being alive in the party is one of the requirements for FE6's "best" ending. (Fae hangs out with Idenn in a postgame scene)
QuantumBro
Banned
I'm curious how this thread would've gone had it happened today.
Something like this could give people the push when they otherwise might've been fine with the US release. It's all meaningless projection on my part until sales come out.
Something like this could give people the push when they otherwise might've been fine with the US release. It's all meaningless projection on my part until sales come out.
Same sex relationships are on par with tween bikini armor, ok
Why would that happen? that feature was announced by Nintendo of America and always intended to come over.
captainpat
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Not that hard. Mainstream isn't as "PC" as gaf tries to make them out to be.
Until the government steps in and forbid them from releasing a game with X content, whatever they add or remove is their business. Removing the same-sex option wouldn't be censorship, it's a choice. It would be an incredibly stupid choice, but it's not censorship.
Comfort Jones
Banned
I think it's less about being PC and more about being fucking weird.
Censorship / self-censorship / not-censorship / localization semantics aside, I definitely feel that these changes are enacted for purely business reasons. NoA decided that those aspects would negatively impact perception of the game in the west (rightfully so), and that they would lose fewer potential buyers by leaving those bits on the cutting room floor.
They have every right to censor the game given that you have the right to avoid purchasing the game and/or boycotting the company. The reverse also - they shouldn't have to change anything to appeal to western audiences if they feel that is the route to go...you still don't have to buy it! I'm more worried about the Japanese's cultural acceptance of those activities (this or stuff like the "rape seed" potion) that allowed them into game in the first place. My western view is undoubtedly biasing me but that stuff seems kind of unnecessary and creepy.
Anyhow, removal of content isn't great either. Why not just make it an opt-in choice in the game settings?
They have every right to censor the game given that you have the right to avoid purchasing the game and/or boycotting the company. The reverse also - they shouldn't have to change anything to appeal to western audiences if they feel that is the route to go...you still don't have to buy it! I'm more worried about the Japanese's cultural acceptance of those activities (this or stuff like the "rape seed" potion) that allowed them into game in the first place. My western view is undoubtedly biasing me but that stuff seems kind of unnecessary and creepy.
Anyhow, removal of content isn't great either. Why not just make it an opt-in choice in the game settings?
ZombiePlatypus
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You linked the wrong definition, unless we're talking about individuals here.
Edit: Oops, sorry the mobile site is weird.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Seeing such few responses to that and almost none of any merit makes me upset.
Also, shows where people are coming from.
Cornbread78
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Well, this thread has gone places today. As long as it isn't as bad as the "Sexy Time" spots in Valhalla Knights 3
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Bollocks.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Have fun paying money for a game where you can marry a 1000 year old dragon girl :^)
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