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[Ridley327]

I know SMT games can get relatively dark, both in the storyline as well as enemy design, so I wasn't sure if that carried over to SMTxFE or not (I haven't read up on it too much, in fear of getting spoiled). I'm relieved to hear that there's not much to remove, it gives me hope that we'll (hopefully) get everything intact (aside from a few costume alterations).

Like I said, the issue for Treehouse is how to handle the setting and cultural aspects of the game. They've never had to do anything like #FE before, and I'm not sure what the best plan of attack is for them. Honestly, it would have made more sense to get Atlus USA involved on that project, but I imagine they're already tied up with Persona 5 in the hopes of trying to get it out as quickly as possible after the Japanese release, along with Odin Sphere and (probably) SMT4:F

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

i don't see the big deal in the petting game. not like it's nudity, sex, or anything racist that it needs to be removed.

Because it's creepy, similar to horror movies.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Is it confirmed NoA is doing the localization and not Atlus? Haven't been keeping up with news on the game very much but that would just be disappointing to hear.

It has been confirmed that Treehouse is handling the localization for #FE, yes.

 

[RM8]

I think if it happened now, they would be. The climate has changed since then.

Really? Those elements seem in line with the tone and theme of the series. Unlike waifu rubbing which even Japan disliked.

 

[dimb]

Like I said, the issue for Treehouse is how to handle the setting and cultural aspects of the game. They've never had to do anything like #FE before, and I'm not sure what the best plan of attack is for them.

Probably just not releasing it.

 

[kiryogi]

Like I said, the issue for Treehouse is how to handle the setting and cultural aspects of the game. They've never had to do anything like #FE before, and I'm not sure what the best plan of attack is for them.

Yeah, the cultural aspects might be a bigger hurdle than anything that's controversial. This is the one localization to keep your eyes on. It's beyond Japanese compared to anything Atlus has even done even.

 

[Astarte]

It has been confirmed that Treehouse is handling the localization for #FE, yes.

If they take away anything from #FE then I'll be on a plane of existence that resides below sad.

 

[Crash Station]

Really? Those elements seem in line with the tone and theme of the series. Unlike waifu rubbing which even Japan disliked.

There's been outcry over brothels in games where that fits the tone completely.

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

For the record, I'm not even upset that I won't get to play this mode, I'm upset that I didn't get to make that decision for myself.

 

[ChaoticBlue]

off topic but remember when sega took out the hostess clubs in yakuza 3?

i wonder if people were saying stuff like "good" "thank GOD" etc. when that happened

i'm still mad they took out the hostess clubs. they also took out some minigames but that was because one of the minigame was text heavy and they could not localize it. so they get a pass from me.

 

[RMI]

It has been confirmed that Treehouse is handling the localization for #FE, yes.

god damn it.

 

[Sane_Man]

Doesn't sound like censorship at all. It sounds like removing an entirely lame and weird mechanic from the game, which makes the overall package better.

 

[Crash Station]

Doesn't sound like censorship at all. It sounds like removing an entirely lame and weird mechanic from the game, which makes the overall package better.

Removing it for the possible purpose of not offending people. That's textbook self-censorship.

Not that that's the only reason of course. It's a ton of content, so it could very well just be Treehouse being lazy.

 

[Nickle]

People are usually happy about series they like removing aspects they don't like. Removing something negative has the end result of improving the final product.

Pretend you hate swiss cheese. Removing swiss cheese from the grocery store doesn't make the grocery store better, it just means that no one can buy swiss cheese from that store anymore. You would basically be cheering because other people can't buy swiss cheese anymore.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Like I said, the issue for Treehouse is how to handle the setting and cultural aspects of the game. They've never had to do anything like #FE before, and I'm not sure what the best plan of attack is for them. Honestly, it would have made more sense to get Atlus USA involved on that project, but I imagine they're already tied up with Persona 5 in the hopes of trying to get it out as quickly as possible after the Japanese release, along with Odin Sphere and (probably) SMT4:F

God the shitstorm with that garbage game is going to be so good, I can't wait.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Really? Those elements seem in line with the tone and theme of the series. Unlike waifu rubbing which even Japan disliked.

man, I don't know if you've ever played a yakuza game, but the reason why people like that stuff is because it goes against the tone of the main story. Waifu petting fits the animu garbage story of fire emblem a lot better than all the side stuff does in yakuza, so I don't know why you're saying that the fire emblem stuff doesn't fit.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Really? Those elements seem in line with the tone and theme of the series. Unlike waifu rubbing which even Japan disliked.

If people are having such a strong repulsion toward face petting, I see no reason why they wouldn't be put off toward a feature that potentially glorified host/hostess culture, that profession isn't a bed of roses.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Yeah but that doesn't apply here. This is an optional thing. Negative is also entirely subjective, so that doesn't hold up either.

Of course it's subjective. I'm saying people are happy when something they subjectively don't like is removed from a game they do like, often even if it was optional. Something optional can still have a negative effect on the final product.

 

[zhixson]

It has been confirmed that Treehouse is handling the localization for #FE, yes.

Infinite sadness.

 

[Elaugaufein]

If they take away anything from #FE then I'll be on a plane of existence that resides below sad.

I'd be ready to be below sad then. Nintendo and Treehouse have been super cautious lately. Using the GAF freakout as a measuring stick seems to work pretty well and #FE certainly got one of those.

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

Something optional can still have a negative effect on the final product.

How? I'm not trying to be a dick. Legitimately I cannot understand how a single optional mode can hurt someone's enjoyment of a game without that person being a literal child.

 

[Tingle]

Pretend you hate swiss cheese. Removing swiss cheese from the grocery store doesn't make the grocery store better, it just means that no one can buy swiss cheese from that store anymore. You would basically be cheering because other people can't buy swiss cheese anymore.

But I think removing magazines with a creepy cover would improve my experience. Removing things can be conductive to a better shopping environment and, to me at least, a better gaming experience.

Even the presence of face rubbing mechanics is a bit of a turn off to me. If it was in, I would have gotten over it, but I am glad to see it gone. I do feel bad for the people who wanted it, but it honestly is an improvement to me.

 

[Venfayth]

I think part of the reason the face petting seems so innocuous and silly to me is because it doesn't even seem real. Like, what the fuck. Imagining it happening in a serious way cracks me up.

 

[PixyJunket]

Doesn't sound like censorship at all. It sounds like removing an entirely lame and weird mechanic from the game, which makes the overall package better.

Would you think that removing fatalities from Mortal Kombat (which is a lame and weird mechanic) would make that overall package better and support that change?

 

[Astarte]

I'd be ready to be below sad then. Nintendo and Treehouse have been super cautious lately. Using the GAF freakout as a measuring stick seems to work pretty well and #FE certainly got one of those.

Why even focus on a site like GAF in the first place? Even from the initial (real) reveal the majority of this site took a giant shit on its existence. It's not like most of these people will touch the game even with everything removed because of idol life.

 

[Coffee Dog]

But I think removing magazines with a creepy cover would improve my experience. Removing things can be conductive to a better shopping environment and, to me at least, a better gaming experience.

Even the presence of face rubbing mechanics is a bit of a turn off to me. If it was in, I would have gotten over it, but I am glad to see it gone. I do feel bad for the people who wanted it, but it honestly is an improvement to me.

But in this example, it's more like you'd have to order the creepy magazines specifically from the back. Remember: You don't have to access the feature. You have to, of your own volition and choice, touch faces. If you don't want to see it, you don't have to.

 

[Elaugaufein]

How? I'm not trying to be a dick. Legitimately I cannot understand how a single optional mode can hurt someone's enjoyment of a game without that person being a literal child.

Chunks of GAF don't event want certain games, that they'd never play, to exist let alone optional features in games they might actually play. I assume it has something to do with keeping society morally pure.

 

[flatearthpandas]

It has been confirmed that Treehouse is handling the localization for #FE, yes.

That's really a shame

 

[SmackAttack]

Fine with this. Seemed a bit silly to me. Can't wait for my SE next month!

 

[Tingle]

But in this example, it's more like you'd have to order the creepy magazines specifically from the back. Remember: You don't have to access the feature. You have to, of your own volition and choice, touch faces. If you don't want to see it, you don't have to.

Its in the store either way.

 

[Crash Station]

But I think removing magazines with a creepy cover would improve my experience. Removing things can be conductive to a better shopping environment and, to me at least, a better gaming experience.

Even the presence of face rubbing mechanics is a bit of a turn off to me. If it was in, I would have gotten over it, but I am glad to see it gone. I do feel bad for the people who wanted it, but it honestly is an improvement to me.

Here's a better example.

Say someone is allergic to peanuts. Not just eating them, but being close to them. Someone so allergic that just passing by a container of them causes them to break out in hives or something.

Now do you remove all peanuts from the store despite the many people that do like peanuts?

 

[PixyJunket]

But I think removing magazines with a creepy cover would improve my experience.

The world doesn't revolve around you and your beliefs.

 

[BGBW]

Is there anything really questionable about #FE? I know people don't like the pop idols, but considering the States has a programme called American Idol I doubt a game with characters wanting in on the music biz is really problematic.

 

[mullet2000]

off topic but remember when sega took out the hostess clubs in yakuza 3?

i wonder if people were saying stuff like "good" "thank GOD" etc. when that happened

Pretty different situation. One of the main, core appeals of the Yakuza series (especially in the west) is that it serves as a replica of modern Japan and Japanese culture. So the hostess clubs existing in the game helps lend believably to the Japanese night-life setting that those games really nail. So Yakuza 3 losing Hostess clubs and some other features was a pretty notable and disappointing thing (that SEGA themselves realized and fixed for Yakuza 4 and 5 later).

However - Like it or not - the touching mini-game in FE: Fates is a fair less core component of the product, to the point of feeling forced for a lot of people.

Furthermore, the justification Sega made for cutting those things from Yakuza 3 was more along the lines of "Western audiences don't have the context to understand this stuff" where the justification for FE: Fates seems to more directly be "Western audiences don't want or like this stuff."

 

[Sane_Man]

Would you think that removing fatalities from Mortal Kombat (which is a lame and weird mechanic) would make that overall package better and support that change?

Since fatalities are one of the main draws of the Mortal Kombat series I don't think the example applies. I don't see many people wanting to 'pet' people's faces. It's just weird and off-putting.

 

[Risette]

i'm still mad they took out the hostess clubs. they also took out some minigames but that was because one of the minigame was text heavy and they could not localize it. so they get a pass from me.

They gutted Yakuza 3 beyond the minigames tho

http://www.gamesradar.com/yakuza-3-...-the-darker-side-of-english-schools-in-japan/

 

[Coffee Dog]

Its in the store either way.

How is that relevant to you, someone who wouldn't order them? In what way are you negatively impacted?

 

[Tingle]

The world doesn't revolve around you and your beliefs.

I never claimed it did. I am saying how the removal of a feature can make someone feel more comfortable with the experience. Again, I said I would get over it if the feature was still included. But I am not upset to see it cut either.

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

Chunks of GAF don't event want certain games, that they'd never play, to exist let alone optional features in games they might actually play. I assume it has something to do with keeping society morally pure.

I'm pretty stoned right now, so this post is a terrifying proposition. I love my weird creepy Japanese bullshit. Why the hate chunks of GAF?

 

[BajiBoxer]

Removing it for the possible purpose of not offending people. That's textbook self-censorship.

Not that that's the only reason of course. It's a ton of content, so it could very well just be Treehouse being lazy.

lol, no.

 

[Venfayth]

Chunks of GAF don't event want certain games, that they'd never play, to exist let alone optional features in games they might actually play. I assume it has something to do with keeping society morally pure.

It's really dangerous, and probably has precipitated some of the already tangible instances of jerkery in this thread to start psychoanalyzing people who disagree with you.

I get why people have a negative gut reaction to this being in the game, and finding it weird at a base level, that doesn't mean it's justified to start judging others, or that it's not rude to outwardly be happy that something of value to others was lost.

 

[Elaugaufein]

I'm pretty stoned right now, so this post is a terrifying proposition. I love my weird creepy Japanese bullshit. Why the hate chunks of GAF?

To be fair , I was making fun of that position not being 100% serious.

 

[NervousXtian]

Great news, shit like that doesn't need to be in a FE game to begin with.

 

[Alex Stroud]

Good they got rid of it. FE is one of the few RPG series I don't feel awkward playing around other people, so I hope Nintendo eventually pulls their head out of their asses and stops aiming for the otaku market.

 

[kiryogi]

Is there anything really questionable about #FE? I know people don't like the pop idols, but considering the States has a programme called American Idol I doubt a game with characters wanting in on the music biz is really problematic.

Outside of swimsuit models if even that? Nope.

Although, if they were listening to all this complaining, only way folks would be happy is if they removed the idol stuff. But that sure as hell isn't happening without a major overhaul.

 

[DecoReturns]

So, previews are being released and the games looks great. Localization looks to be pretty good, but the gameplay is looking much better.

I've been avoiding the game until we saw some english footage, so maybe some of you have seen this already, but those that havent check it out on youtube.

 

[Eusis]

Chunks of GAF don't event want certain games, that they'd never play, to exist let alone optional features in games they might actually play. I assume it has something to do with keeping society morally pure.

I tend to think it's just kind of skeevy, or SOUNDS skeevy, so possibly having that in a game you'd otherwise want is kind of off putting, especially if it's needed for anything completionist. What COULD be a compromise is to leave it in, but automatically give the rewards (or rebalance, whichever) so there was no reason to play other then "I like touching faces with sticks."

 

[entremet]

Nintendo doesn't want a PR nightmare, especially given the virality of news today.

It was a smart move and honestly this waifu/husbando stuff creeps me out.

This is what localization is. It's not just about translation but making the product palatable to other audiences as well.

 

[YianGaruga]

Something optional can still have a negative effect on the final product.

Say the rubbing mode was delivered as a completely optional DLC download. Would that have a negative effect on your experience?

 

[wonzo]

i'm still mad they took out the hostess clubs. they also took out some minigames but that was because one of the minigame was text heavy and they could not localize it. so they get a pass from me.

fwiw they cut far more than just the hostess & minigame stuff. a huge chunk of sidequests were gutted