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[Crash Station]

Stuff like the face rubbing minigame pretty much trivializes and simplifies love, lol. Talk to people a handful of times, rub their face, and they'll tell you lewd stuff in return.

And killing people with no consequences doesn't undermine death?

Maybe people would be singing a different tune if what death actually entailed was given more detail. You know, seeing the dead units void their bowels, having to inform the surviving family members, hearing about the funeral and wake planning, etc.

 

[Other]

Stuff like the face rubbing minigame pretty much trivializes and simplifies love, lol. Talk to people a handful of times, rub their face, and they'll tell you lewd stuff in return.

It's no different than relationship systems in any other game, feed dialogue in for more relationship points+plus some interaction for some extra stuff. All systematization of love in games is inherently a trivialization and simplification of it. Games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect have the same thing going on but with sex scenes at the end yet they don't cop the same flack

 

[Crash Station]

Why would #FE get cancelled? If you mean when they announce it isn't coming to the US, that's different, but was the game ever actually announced for a Western release?

Yes, it was.

 

[RM8]

easy for you to say m8. you've won already. the big bad sexual content is removed

what you advocate here is an ideal or principle which tramples on people's rights to decide for themselves what they want. it's an ideological issue, and it's nothing against you as a person, but when faced with an ideological issue like this, i can't take it sitting down

i'm trying to take it sitting down, believe me

have you considered, not using the mode? and leaving it in for the people who do want to use it?

you are twisting this so i look like a dumbass when i disagree with you.

and i'd like to point out that i already do look like a dumbass

I'm not twisting anything. Your entire argument relies on me being offended, and I'm not. You can stalk my post history and see for yourself that I have these games pre ordered, without knowing this thing would get removed.

 

[Astarte]

I agree, I was responding to violence and death being simplified in games too.

So can I have a minigame where I can touch my waifu/husbando's face please
you don't even have to look, but if you want to I'm down for it.

 

[YianGaruga]

Oh my god, that's exactly my point.

your point is that it's okay for war and death but not for love? I don't follow

 

[RM8]

So can I have a minigame where I can touch my waifu/husbando's face please
you don't even have to look, but if you want to I'm down for it.

Death in Fire Emblem is usually represented by a sprite disappearing. You'll have to be content with something that explicit

 

[YoYo Switch]

I agree, I was responding to violence and death being simplified in games too.

so what games do you play. sit in a white room simulator

grow up. video games are not some cultural bastion of pure morality

there's gonna be action games where you blow stuff up

sexy games where you see girl in bikinis

sexy games where you date boys in a visual novel

and there's the games you like to play. farming simulator i'm guessing?

there is no entertainment medium on this earth that is held to the high standards you are placing video games under

movies have dumb violence

movies can be sexy

there's movies all about sex

there's movies about terrible terrible things that when i watch make me uncomfortable. but i respect them as works made by a creator or team of creators. i don't celebrate when the english dub of my favorite french film replaces a rape scene or beheading. cuz it's fucking with the movie, no matter how terrible it may be.

if we're going to live in a world where we respect everyone, we gotta respect people's creations too

 

[jonjonaug]

Stuff like the face rubbing minigame pretty much trivializes and simplifies love, lol. Talk to people a handful of times, rub their face, and they'll tell you lewd stuff in return.

Western games do this all the time though. Highly critically acclaimed ones, even.

Like, I love Planescape Torment, but that game also has a demon woman barely wearing anything who goes on a rant about how much she wants to bang your shriveled zombie body after you tell how how you think she looks pretty one time.

 

[Jayne]

Why is face touching seen as weird in the first place anyhow?

I mean what's so wrong with a physical display of affection?

Take this seen from the most recent episode of Gundam for example

Spoiler

The main character stops to take a moment to showing his concern in a very touching manner with nothing but a simple caress.

Wait... What happens to Kudelia?? ; ;

 

[Vamphuntr]

There is no solution for that kind of content to make it out in a big title in the west. Sex is not the issue. There are some Western games with terrible sex scenes like Mass Effect, Heavy Rain, Wolfenstein, Dragon Age and so on. The problems with many Japanese titles is the way it's presented and the age of the characters involved. You really don't want your mainstream product in the west to be a game where to have you ogle or touch young looking characters that could pass off as children. It's also doesn't help when it's presented as a mini game.

I don't think other big publishers would do better. If this was a Final Fantasy game or Resident Evil game it would be cut too.

The only available option is to ask the developers to replace it or tone it down for a western audience or simply don't put that kind of stuff in the game in the first place if you want to be able to reach a wide audience in the west.

Comparing in this to violence and calling people hypocrite seems weird to me. I think most people fail to see that depending on the level and the target of said violence people would have the same attitude. There is a reason why you usually can't kill children in western open world games. It's the same reason why you don't have a sex scene with a little girl in Dragon Age.

 

[YoYo Switch]

I'm not twisting anything. Your entire argument relies on me being offended, and I'm not. You can stalk my post history and see for yourself that I have these games pre ordered, without knowing this thing would get removed.

i concede to the fact that you're not offended. you're celebrating that something is being taken away from people

actually you may not be saying exactly that, i'm just using you as a scapegoat at the moment

my comments (though quoted at you) are a lot more general and apply to the tone of this thread

 

[Crash Station]

Death in Fire Emblem is usually represented by a sprite disappearing. You'll have to be content with something that explicit

In terms of the face-touching? I'm 100% game for that. I just don't like the fact that dialogue, items and another means of upping support ranks is gone.

 

[RM8]

In hopes that people will stop quoting that out of context - I think everything is simplified and trivialized in games, but relationships are getting too detailed in FE

 

[CSX]

Lol, I married Matoi in my play through as well.

You, I , and Kincaido (if he's still around) think alike

 

[Dream_Journey]

I wish I living in Japan, they are know how work real and virtual world.

 

[YoYo Switch]

that may be your opinion, and you have a right to that opinion m8.

but if detailed relationships is what the creators of FE want, that's the reality of what the game is

we can't change that

 

[Astarte]

Death in Fire Emblem is usually represented by a sprite disappearing. You'll have to be content with something that explicit

If it's true that I lose out on content that I paid for, why would I be content with that? :/
I didn't necessarily pay to get Fates for face touching, but removal of content just makes me sad.

 

[wonzo]

The issue I have with the whole debate is that people call this censorship and say that it is a dealbreaker that the content was removed. I will agree that this is a form of self-censorship, as Nintendo are the ones making the changes to a property that they own and that they commission Intelligent Systems to develop a piece of software. But why does that have to make this such a negative change (on the principle of being against censorship)?

To me making a game (or anything) more heteronormative is really vile and I can not support that regardless of how relatively minor the changes are.

 

[Crash Station]

To me making a game (or anything) more heteronormative is really vile and I can not support that regardless of how relatively minor the changes are.

Yeah, and what the hell with this as well.

All you people complaining there's not enough equal opportunity fanservice, guess what?

 

[YoYo Switch]

So how do you feel about your new tag?

Don't tell anyone, but I find it hilarious and, I for one, think this is all going super well.

 

[A.E Suggs]

Yeah what's next, FE trivializing and simplifying something like war with its gameplay? That would be so dumb

Just about every game does that, from halo to even some cod stories. That said just because they aren't doing the best at writing good stories shouldn't mean they should start adding in other worthless junk. Turning it into a waifu sim just makes it worst. I never wanted the mode cut but I never wanted FE to progress this way either.

 

[Mik317]

y'kno the whole appeal of Japanese games/stuff (for me at least) is that cultural difference. If changes are being made to games to change that...Idk that is a bit of a bummer.

(and yes it was a bummer when done in the past for other games)

 

[Zomba13]

I really like how, for a while at least, this thread devolved into shitting on the people that aren't outraged about the mode/don't care about it one way or the other/actively want the mode as being gamergators or just as misogynistic as Fox News is Racist.

Like, wow, grow up guys. I mean really, at the absolute worst, someone really wanting this mode could be a piece of shit who only wants it to pet little girl characters to feel superior to them but the mode as a whole is for petting any character, male or female (right?) so what if they wanted to pet their big strong knights or bishie sorcerers?

 

[Lunar15]

The most grievous issue here is that Nintendo has finally gone against one of its long standing mantras.

Spoiler

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

Always against censorship.

NoA could have used that time to localize a VC game


If you don't want it in there, cut it in the beginning.

 

[Draxal]

You, I , and Kincaido (if he's still around) think alike

I made Hinoka her mom, cuz marrying my sister wasn't enough. Game is so silly.

 

[DecoReturns]

The most grievous issue here is that Nintendo has finally gone against one of its long standing mantras.

Spoiler

Those bastards.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Stuff like the face rubbing minigame pretty much trivializes and simplifies love, lol. Talk to people a handful of times, rub their face, and they'll tell you lewd stuff in return.

why would anyone be using nintendo games of all things as a guide for real life interactions

The most grievous issue here is that Nintendo has finally gone against one of its long standing mantras.

Spoiler

first nintendo teaches me obsessive compulsive masturbating is good, just to blue-ball me by removing anything sexual in their games

they are the ultimate tease

 

[injurai]

your point is that it's okay for war and death but not for love? I don't follow

it's against my cultural mores to want love over war

a true localization of any game would convert those themes of love to that of conquest

 

[YianGaruga]

y'kno the whole appeal of Japanese games/stuff (for me at least) is that cultural difference. If changes are being made to games to change that...Idk that is a bit of a bummer.

(and yes it was a bummer when done in the past for other games)

Yeah when I buy Japanese games I want Japanese games, not the westernized version of them. All the weird shit included, even if it makes me cringe.

But there's still a good number of those out there so I can't get too mad about Nintendo. They've been a company that doesn't exactly cater to me for a long time now.

 

[A.E Suggs]

To me making a game (or anything) more heteronormative is really vile and I can not support that regardless of how relatively minor the changes are.

How did they do that with this game?

 

[YoYo Switch]

why would anyone be using nintendo games of all things as a guide for real life interactions

if people were able to separate video games from reality (like normal people, including myself) this would not be an issue

 

[RM8]

why would anyone be using nintendo games of all things as a guide for real life interactions

I don't know why people use them as dating sims, so yeah.

 

[jonjonaug]

How did they do that with this game?

The face rubbing minigame can apparently be played with any other character, and it doesn't matter what gender your avatar is. This is no longer the case, so the only thing resembling same sex content with your Avatar is now only the two characters with the same-sex S ranks.

 

[JazzmanZ]

Are there really people dropping the Special edition all because of a virtual fake face rubbing game being removed?

I mean I hate when games remove things too sometimes but wow.

 

[Crash Station]

How did they do that with this game?

This post:

This is extremely disappointing. =/ I understand the complaints about the feature (but, like...just ignore it if you don't like it?), but I think a lot of people fail to realize that for gay individuals like myself, this feature was really nice because, as far as I understood, you could use this "petting" feature on any character, including characters of the same sex as your avatar. This was the only way to have any sort of intimacy with same-sex characters outside of the single male and female characters that you can marry with a same-sex avatar. While it's great that the same-sex marriage is still there, and it's certainly a big step up from Awakening that featured none of it, it's still extremely disappointing that there was even more that we could have had, but of course they cut that out of the localization. =/

 

[Nanashrew]

if people were able to separate video games from reality (like normal people, including myself) this would not be an issue

Virtual reality is probably going to mess you and everyone up, man.

 

[Mik317]

I don't know why people use them as dating sims, so yeah.

now you are just being difficult

 

[Koeta]

Nintendo of America being Nintendo of America, not much more to say really they have been Censoring content since the NES, not like they would stop now.

And yes this is Censorship, don't try to act like it isn't.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Are there really people dropping the Special edition all because of a virtual fake face rubbing game being removed?

I mean I hate when games remove things too sometimes but wow.

Corrin getting into Smash over characters people actually wanted as DLC made me question my SE pre-order more than this tbh.

 

[tauroxd]

The most grievous issue here is that Nintendo has finally gone against one of its long standing mantras.

Spoiler

Hahahaha, that was good

I am sad that it was dropped, it was something in the original game, why would be get less of it? I'd probably use it once or twice, like in Pokémon, but I'd be nice to have it there... But anyway, we can't do anything about it now, I will still spend $80 on this one game... Or $100 if the DLC is good, is the DLC good?. I'm a sucker, I played Sacred Stones on my Ambassador 3DS, then bought Awakeking and LOVED IT to death, and a couple of months ago a played Fire Emblem 7 and loved it too... I'm starving for more Fire Emblem in the line of Awakening.

 

[DecoReturns]

Corrin getting into Smash over characters people actually wanted as DLC made me question my SE pre-order more than this tbh.

Paper Mario. One day...

Also Smash is serious business?

 

[RM8]

now you are just being difficult

Lol why? I agree with him that games aren't accurate representations of reality.

 

[YoYo Switch]

Virtual reality is probably going to mess you and everyone up, man.

except i know it's virtual reality. i know the difference between games and reality. with you in charge, the only VR content allowed to be released is sitting in a flower field simulator, because apparently no one would be able to tell the difference and start petting real women's faces or some shit

for the record, my wife doesn't like head rubbing cuz it messes up her hair. we make love instead

 

[CSX]

So when are we putting bets that the spa building has been removed too?

I wonder if they will modify how fast you get support points now that they removed the face rubbing. It was in my opinion, tedious and dumb but at least you can use it to get supports with units you rarely use in battle.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Paper Mario. One day...

Also Smash is serious business?

Smash is the only game where during a special Direct just for it it can have me simultaneously screaming at the screen in anger (Corrin) and screaming at the screen in happiness (Bayonetta). Damn straight it's serious

Spoiler

man-childish

business.

 

[Draxal]

Corrin getting into Smash over characters people actually wanted as DLC made me question my SE pre-order more than this tbh.

Eh, Fem Corrin is reasonably popular enough in Japan and will be popular in the States once Fates comes out, the new Lucina.

They need to release amiibos of fem Corrin/Robin.

 

[Nanashrew]

Paper Mario. One day...

Also Smash is serious business?

Oh man you have no idea! The crazy conspiracy theories as to why Bayonetta got into Smash and so many more.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

y'kno the whole appeal of Japanese games/stuff (for me at least) is that cultural difference. If changes are being made to games to change that...Idk that is a bit of a bummer.

(and yes it was a bummer when done in the past for other games)

I think it's a mistake to equate "otaku culture" with "Japanese culture." There's a whole lot more to Japan than otaku tropes in anime and games.