DecoReturns
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Intelligent System sure knows how to make leading female characters. Or just Female characters in general. Poor Lyn, her game just came out to early.
Fire Emblem Fates' localization doesn't have the petting minigame
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Intelligent System sure knows how to make leading female characters. Or just Female characters in general. Poor Lyn, her game just came out to early.
autoduelist
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What?
The funny thing is, you going way out into left field backfires. Yes, that is self-censorship. We do it all the time in daily life... we might say curse words all the time around friends, but watch out mouth around mom. That's self-censoring our behavior. It's extremely common [as in, everyone does it] to act differently in different situations and those that don't self-censor would come across incredibly socially awkward.
So, yes. The next time you notice a girl has really 'nice tits' as you so eloquently put it, and thankfully decide to keep your mouth shut... you self-censored because you know saying that would most likely negatively impact you [or someone else]. The direct comparison would be a drunk jerk who doesn't self-censor and actually tells the woman that.
Censorship is a very broad term, despite some in here trying to pretend it only applies in very specific circumstances [namely, government intervention].
If you want references:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/self-censorship
Oxford dictionary:
Or, if you simply google self censorship, google puts up the wiki definition at the top of your search results:
"Other forms of media" would include simple speech.
Regardless of your position on this Nintendo issue, it does fall under the definition of censorship. Trying to claim words don't apply because you don't want them to apply is problematic for obvious reasons - especially when it involves insulting those who use the word properly [not sure if you did this, but others in this thread have].
It bears repeating that Japan didn't like this mode, lol. Can you imagine reducing American culture to one minor minigame in one video game?
GuessMyUserName
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Never managed to snag the special edition myself, but I would if I had. As with many other games, I'll just play the full version (jp) and leave it at that. Thank god for Japanese language classes!
Really the only reason I care anymore is because of region locking forcing me to buy separate systems. Hell going by Nintendo's recent trends, if their next hardware was still region locked I'd give up on buying their NA systems.
Gotta tell you, I would probably buy a Fire Emblem branded dating simulator if it was cute and wasn't too dodgy. So no face rubbing.
Or if it starred Tharja and chronicled her attempts to hook up with Robin.
You guys are going insane and jumping on the smallest thing without even stopping to think until someone else corrects you.
Calm down. Get outraged when something happens, not before it happens on the possibility that it might.
There is nothing like this in #FE, you're just talking out of your ass to get people riled up over nothing but your own fantastical fabrications. They're not going to cancel ongoing localization of a game, that'd be more money lost without any method of recoup. If they wanted to skimp on budget they'd just leave the text as subtitles and do no VA work.
DICKS AHOY
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Hell, didn't 'otaku' start of as a derogatory term in Japan?
YoYo Switch
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One can say she Lyn started that trend.
Poor Caeda and Eirika otoh.
I didn't forget Celica, L95 Just keeping you on your toes!
A Link to the Past
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I could never hate a dating sim based on Fire Emblem (that is, one that doesn't have a lot of the problematic elements you find often in the genre). It could be cute.
True..but otaku culture is still apart of it...niche or small as it may be. My point is that It is a bummer to have any of it removed..especially in the name of making it for the western culture.
But...it's virtual face rubbing, why is it so detrimental of your enjoyment of the game?
I'd be cool with that and I don't see why they haven't gotten to that. Someone should pitch the idea to them.
TheBryanJZX90
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It still is!
Uh, just to be sure, when you say that Japan didn't like this mode, you are talking about some poll in Famitsu, right ?
Now for 100% transparency in the debate, I'm not saying this to diminish your claim (I can totally accept that a lot of player didn't like this and Famitsu is big), but a lot of posters said that and it could lead some people to think it was a gigantic backfire like one of the recent Tales of.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
I wonder how the stat bonuses will be redistributed with the content cut now...probably not well.
Wasn't sure how to feel about it at first but the more I think about it...really?
Silly move by NOA. Less content is not appreciated.
Wasn't sure how to feel about it at first but the more I think about it...really?
Silly move by NOA. Less content is not appreciated.
Absolutely, I just did. I've always had the option of importing it but didn't because games are significantly more expensive in Japan and I get nothing for it other than playing it earlier. If the content were at parity, I have no problem waiting half a year to a year. But it's not, and I don't have any interest in being on the front line of support for NoA's localization efforts.
GuessMyUserName
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... I'd rather play the version that doesn't cut content I'm okay with? I'm comfortable with both languages, so why would I settle for a version that has less?
DecoReturns
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Shadow Dragon ruined Caeda. She never had a chance.
Eirika was normal. Her character was just normal. I don't how else to describe it, her story was pretty weak and she wasn't much of a focus After her part. I think sacred stones has most normal main characters. Her brother had some funny supports tho.
I didn't particularly care about that minigame anyway so I'm not too upset but I don't like missing out on chunks of content like this even if I wouldn't have bothered much with it and I do feel that as long as it's not dealing with gross stuff like children there's nothing wrong with a game featuring some cringey petting minigame relationship sim just like how having weird simplified depictions of violence in games is ok. Really don't see why that's considered so different.
And in general I'd rather have stuff like this be included everywhere and get axed in the next release everywhere if enough people didn't like it.
That said if it's getting replaced by something new and not just getting axed I really wouldn't care. I know better than to expect that though. :l
Do we know if Europe is axing it too btw? I'd imagine so but Awakening was pretty different between regions wasn't it?
And in general I'd rather have stuff like this be included everywhere and get axed in the next release everywhere if enough people didn't like it.
That said if it's getting replaced by something new and not just getting axed I really wouldn't care. I know better than to expect that though. :l
Do we know if Europe is axing it too btw? I'd imagine so but Awakening was pretty different between regions wasn't it?
In hopes that people will stop quoting that out of context - I think everything is simplified and trivialized in games, but relationships are getting too detailed in FE
You realize that not everyone wants just a standard turn based war game and that the relationship aspect attracts more than just your typical male fanbase right?
The increased focus on relationships saved FE from dying as a franchise. Awakening is the highest selling game in the franchise that attracted women as well as men to the series.
You may hate the increased focus on relationships, but it's what attracts many new fans to the series. There's nothing wrong with having the series also focus on loving relationships rather than endless battles. It makes for a more complete game.
Isn't the SE kinda pricey? It's understandable if people don't want to pay full price for something with less content than it was originally supposed to have.
It's the same price as all three games combined, along with a couple of physical goods.
FE:Fates just lost GOTY status already :'(
Those poor Fox and wolf characters lol.
Elaugaufein
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I am impressed with how badly some of you do inclusiveness.
"Thanks for keeping this genre, I've now decided I like alive, but I want to hang with the cool kids now so GTFO!"
"Thanks for keeping this genre, I've now decided I like alive, but I want to hang with the cool kids now so GTFO!"
finalflame
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I don't much care for playing a modified version of the original game, nor do I think companies should be in the business of policing what is "ok" for each region. Guess I'll keep my Special Edition copy sealed.
TwEE-N-Toast
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The "anime wank material saved fire emblem" is an interesting narative.
That would be horrible if true.
That would be horrible if true.
Awakening was tame compared to Fates, though. Removing this mode puts this game more in line with the already fanservicey Awakening.
Steve Youngblood
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I want to comment on this. Firstly, I respect the opinion of people that were interested in this because it did offer an avenue for homosexual affection in the game. If you're disappointed by the removal of the minigame on those grounds, I can understand that. However, I don't think the aim of this is to make the game more heteronormative. I think what they are trying to address here are objections to the minigame itself, not that the minigame allows dudes to rub other dudes' faces. If the objection was simply to that and the solution was to only allow heterosexual face rubbing, I'd be up in arms too. But I think removal of the gay-friendly pseudo-relationship stuff is simply an unfortunate side-effect of removing the minigame for completely different reasons.
Makes sense that it would. Even so, the base game costing as much as it does when things are being removed would naturally make it less desirable for some people.
ugh_the_boot
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I blame John Travolta for making this feature undesireable.
It not being on a dead system was the biggest help (or a direct sequel to a game on a dead system). Modern UI, really fast gameplay were also godsends.
Avatar system helped (but it didn't save 12). I would say the biggest thing is that's nice looking for an RTS and did the proper callbacks to the right games (3 and 4) with the world (3) and the shipping element found in 4.
It also wasn't butt ugly like 11 and 12.
I wonder if I purposely skipped Micaiah or not, I mean I really didn't mean to but I think I did.
Spieler Eins
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Celebrate censorship instead of asking oneself why Nintendo is turning into some creatively bankrupt ecchi company, whose scaredy western branches can only keep removing shit from games so long. This will only get worse, for Fire Emblem anyway, but keep your eyes covered I guess.
I understand the intent of changing it for more cultural appeal but the end result is the same for me regardless.
....did you actually play Awakening?
The face touching minigame has very little if anything to do with the main game. You could skip it if you want.
Also, that's not the point. You said you don't like the focus on relationships in FE. So you applaud any action to mitigate it from the franchise. Your motivations aren't about removing "creepy" content but the fact that you hate the love aspect that the series has pushed recently.
Honestly it sounds less like you're pushing for a more inclusive game and more like you're a tad bit insecure about having loving relationships in a war game.
Professor Beef
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Creepy shit like this sells in Japan, and doesn't in the US. I don't get why that's tough to understand.
It should be noted that if they remove the minigame, they could potentially still leave in the Live2D assets and dialogue, it'd just function as Barracks did without any prompt to actually touch the character but have a simple one-way conversation. That touching part (skinship) is specifically the minigame that triggers dialogue.
Except for the fact that Japan didn't exactly like this feature either.
DecoReturns
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to be fair to NOA, nobody realized something like this tell that post.
hurricanes
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LTTP, I fully enjoy any meltdown.
I played the face touching mini game a few times... It's super boring.
HylianHero12
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That's fair. If the change itself offends you, then you have a right to not support the end product. However, isn't that the other change which from my understanding was to make it potentially less offensive to the LGBT community? Forgive me, I was a little confused by the explanations given for that change. I had to look up the exact definition of heteronormative, and it seems that wouldn't be applicable to this change as from what I understand it could be used with all characters regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
My post was more of trying to find a point where people say censorship ends and simple editing begins from a IP ownership perspective. It sounds like your issue is with the change itself and not with the principle of something being censored (even though it is done so by the IP owner).
How on earth does wanting a focused SRPG with a more serious tone mean I'm insecure? Lol, this is beyond silly.
It really is insanely boring.
publicpwnerer
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Nothing of value was lost to be honest.
Why is there still no EU release date? Is it even going to be released in Europe / Australia? This is the only game I'm interested in for my 3DS.
Why is there still no EU release date? Is it even going to be released in Europe / Australia? This is the only game I'm interested in for my 3DS.
Honestly if the dialogues still in the game then I can deal with these changes but Nintendo haven't really given any reason to believe otherwise.
The simple explanation is because NoE decided to release Bravely Second first in that region in February. No reason for them to get too deep into FE until after they're done with that one.
Even over here, NoA kinda just threw out the release information for Bravely Second without much fanfare.
Elaugaufein
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I'd expect ~3 months. Think they just swapped FE and Bravely Second around release date wise.
Take your creepymeme away and give an actual argument and reason
It's always been a niche game, and it only got great sales thanks to it becoming more anime with Awakening.
There was no reason for the minigame to go that was legitimate.
There's (poor, shitty) reasons to remove apparently homosexual content, but at least there's actual, bad reasons there.
The drug convo just sounded weird. I haven't watched a certain video that explained it in depth so I'm not going to hold an opinion on that.
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