chaobreaker
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Why, because they would if they could? IS had the opportunity to explore that option on the DS remakes of the Marth games but chose not to.
Fire Emblem Fates' localization doesn't have the petting minigame
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Why, because they would if they could? IS had the opportunity to explore that option on the DS remakes of the Marth games but chose not to.
People who didn't do this are being a little cruel to Nowi, I think.
Those games lacking supports is one reason why they're generally disliked, lol. All I'm suggesting though is that Tiki has never not been portrayed in a similar way to Nowi, it's just that she wears more clothes and can't be married off to anyone.
The argument is that if you were really going to be mad at Nowi's inclusion, you should also be mad at Tiki for being much the same character, I think? But because that aspect of Tiki could be easily ignored, it's not a problem for anyone.
SenorArdilla
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Don't you have to kill off units to get to the extra chapters too?
chaobreaker
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It's pretty fucked up in itself that Rickenwho is clearly a pre-teen boycould fall in love and marry adult woman as well.
Same for a Robin with a younger model and portrait.
Same for a Robin with a younger model and portrait.
DecoReturns
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Biggest disgrace ever. Then again it was killed useless units to get more useless units.
SliceSabre
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No lie I always paired my male unit up with Nowi except in a couple of runs because having two dragon kids is awesome and marrying Nowi is the only way to achieve that.
Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking with that.
TwEE-N-Toast
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People don't have a problem with dragon children, the older games were not loaded with the weirdness that the news are. But take that kid remove most of her clothes and put her in a game about meek waifus in skimpy made costumes, blushing and whimpering every few seconds and people get weirded out.
Elaugaufein
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For Shadow Dragon yeah. Don't think Heroes required that at all (and it had casual mode and Strategist too). Heroes might have actually done okay (and settled the Awakening wars) if it came over but we'll never know.
chaobreaker
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The game throws a lot of (trashy) units at you anyway. Might as well put them to use.
Have you actually played Awakening, lol
DecoReturns
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Tiki was also an option.
Cow Mengde
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Yeah, it was only Shadow Dragon that did that.
captainpat
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What game are you talking about?
sorakirosaki
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but does tiki have the stats lol better strength and def from nowi
edit: all i knew in awakening after i beat it is how do i give galeforce to as many people as humanly possible lol
SliceSabre
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Tiki only allowed you to have one kid, Nowi(via Nah) allows you to have two kids.
Its been awhile but I don't even think that aplies to Nowi tho.
I expected her to be an uguu machine too but that wasn't the case. As stated, she was surprisingly one of the better written characters.
I'm not going to argue over the design. It is what it is but the character was more than what initially appeared.
again IIRC. Been a while
DecoReturns
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Was only thinking of Morgan oops.
TwEE-N-Toast
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Yep, got annoyed with the characters designs and Lissa, so shut it off.
The modern Fire Emblem franchise in general.
Fair enough.
I'm kind of amazed by this statement, tbh.
Crash Station
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Huh? Nowi doesn't do that. She's just hyper and kind of dumb.
DecoReturns
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If NOA removed this, Europe would too.
Remember Nowi and Tharja, the funniest conversation in the game?
Then again that was DLC...
Cow Mengde
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When you see someone walking a cute dog, go pet it and see people's reaction.
When you see a person walking by, do the same thing to their face and see the reaction.
Shuggananas
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Yeah cause petting animals and petting waifus is the same
SixMachine
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Waifus are not real, do whatever you want with them. They aren't real people, it's more dangerous to pet another animal than it is to pet a waifu, because an unfamiliar pet could bite your fingers off. If you hurt a waifu's feelings, you can save scum, because I'm sure every Fire Emblem player knows what's up. I don't even like crap like this petting minigame, but people seem to put a decent amount of emotional stake into fictional characters. They are literally objects, do what you want with them, at least petting them is nicer than running them over in Grand Theft Auto or tethering them to airplanes in Just Cause...though the latter sounds like much more fun.
SenorArdilla
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mmmm yes... pets...
>Muscle-loving "mach girls" are on the increase! We go undercover at the currently trending "Machamp Cafe"!
>Machamp do a lot of heavy labor, but the current hot trend are the Machamp that don't do heavy labor, but instead work at a special place. That place is called the "Machamp Cafe". That's right: A cafe where customers are waited upon by Machamp is the current hot trend among young female Trainers.
>As we enter the cafe, we note that most of the clients are women. There's been a rapid increase in girls obsessed with the muscular beauty the Machamp sport, these women are called "mach girls".
>At the cafe, the Machamp strike various poses upon request. Here, you can drink a Lemonade or a Soda Pop as you admire the Machamp's beautiful muscles. These cafes mainly operate in Celadon City, Kanto, but are branching out to elsewhere as well.
Spikematic
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Wow, this thread was a real revelation for me. I had no idea the game even had such a creepy feature to begin with. I'm very glad they were sensible enough to take it out.
You mean like, Shibata doing the voice acting of the missing lines himself? I'd buy that.
Worth noting they added this in the first place because the dev team wanted to use Live2D for big occasions between couples. The idea was to have the character's chosen romantic interest confess to them face to face. Parts of the team disagreed, there were debates, and ultimately a compromise between both sides.
The idea this was added to cater to "inhuman weirdos" is pretty crazy. Maybe developers just like adding features to their games that appeal to them rather than being obsessed with the bottom line?
The idea this was added to cater to "inhuman weirdos" is pretty crazy. Maybe developers just like adding features to their games that appeal to them rather than being obsessed with the bottom line?
No, see, it's traditional to blame things you don't like in anime or Japanese games on "the otaku market".
And there we go.
Linkstrikesback
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I mean... who else do you think a minigame about touching anime characters is aimed at?
yeah it feels like "those damn dirty otakus" are an easy group to blame because no one is going to defend them.
In reality it is a stupid way of defining everyone who doesn't have a problem with it.
Its weird how many gamers seem to seek to exclude or shame people for their likes now. I mean the whole damn medium was (and still is in someways) shunned and yet here we are labeling people as degenerates.
Its funny to see all of the same methods used in the crusade against videogame violence and its effects on the youth being used again. "its creepy, its sexist, its problematic" is very close to MK and GTA make people shoot up schools and worship Beelzebub. We pushed back against that hard and yet are fine when it isn't something you may care for.
That is interesting. I will definately remember this (and the 80 other) thread if changes come down on a game for other reasons and see if there is any overlap.
In reality it is a stupid way of defining everyone who doesn't have a problem with it.
Its weird how many gamers seem to seek to exclude or shame people for their likes now. I mean the whole damn medium was (and still is in someways) shunned and yet here we are labeling people as degenerates.
Its funny to see all of the same methods used in the crusade against videogame violence and its effects on the youth being used again. "its creepy, its sexist, its problematic" is very close to MK and GTA make people shoot up schools and worship Beelzebub. We pushed back against that hard and yet are fine when it isn't something you may care for.
That is interesting. I will definately remember this (and the 80 other) thread if changes come down on a game for other reasons and see if there is any overlap.
'now'
I mean this has been a thing for a very long time. Console wars are very much a part of that attitude, lol.
Nerds like to feel superior to other nerds for really trivial reasons.
I mean exactly that.
True. Especially the bonded part.
But it's not even close to the same at all. You are arguing, as you have before, in quite a disingenuous manner. No one is even arguing to that end when their express their views about some content that is frankly sexist as fuck. Not saying this particular instance is with the 'petting' mini-game. I already covered my view on this. But you are arguing in incredibly bad faith here.
Pretty much my feeling on that.
I understand where you're coming from on this, but to someone who knows nothing about feminism or social justice, don't you see how reactions to certain types of content look like they're coming from a place of moral repugnance rather than "hey, this perpetuates shitty attitudes about women"?
yeah. That shit was always lame.
and it is a bannable offense, no? Xbots and Nintendrones or whatever the fuck it was.
Like I don't mind people not liking stuff. I might try to change your mind but if you don't like it? cool. Fair enough and all that jazz. But this need to belittle others for liking stuff (whether intentional or not) sucks. Believe it or not, I'm not super into fanservice stuff. Many a anime watch have ended after the "classic" whoops fell and grab yo titties scene...I just cannot stand for the bully like behavior that has gone unchecked recently. Sometimes people can just like a thing and not jerk off to it, guys...its not cool to lump everyone together as some sick deviant loser. The mindnumbing thing is that the same thing is done for videogames as a whole or at least it was. Growing up after a certain point, if you still played videogame or watched cartoons...you were a fucking loser in the eyes of many. That wasn't fair then...so why is this allowed now?
SliceSabre
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Well without the Jack Thompsons of the world after us we decided we needed an enemy to go after so we turned inward and decided to ridicule each other for their likes and tastes with the same intense fervor.
Like JPRGs? You're a gross, weeb, otaku who is probably molesting children.
Like CoD? You're probably a gross fat, college dudebro who hates gays and women.
And so on...
I'm not sure what the quote is about in this case.
all I am saying is that you can have this discussion without gettiing off on the bad foot we generally start on.
"I don't like this thing because I think it is creepy" will probably have a few dopes attack you but generally will be followed up with "why do you think this is creepy?" and we go from there.
"I think this is creepy garbage that panders to otakus fuckbois" is a whole nother story. It starts from a place of antagonism. No one wants to be a creepy otaku fuckboi...let alone called one. So now that person is pissed that you infered they are that and are no longer ready to have a discussion but rather destroy you. Now of course no one comes out that strong because they;d get banned...but it is still inferred .
You don't see it perhaps...but it is there.
both sides need to enter with some respect for the other side or else we get the same ole fuckery again and again.
With regards to many recent events within gaming culture, I don't really tolerate people who connotate criticism of sexism/poor portrayals of women (and men frankly) within games as "you are someone with a morality complex, puritan, and believe games are making gamers want to shoot up schools, etc. etc. insert extreme slippery slope argument here that literally no one was making". Which is what Mik is essentially arguing here. And it's not the first time they've made this very same argument either if I'm going to be perfectly honest. It's a train of thought that comes from a certain kind of people who very much do not like others having voices on gaming.
His statements are frankly ironic to me because they come from a place where he doesn't understand why people make the statements they do, he purposefully and grossly misrepresents what they say, and behaves in an extremely hypocritical manner while doing so.
Criticism is a part of art. It always has been. Talking about it is precisely how new forms are made. That doesn't mean the old is erased from the present form period.
because yes I don't like other people having voices on gaming.
dude really?
I just don't like people getting attacked or passive aggressively called names because they like something.
I like reading other peoples POVs. I often dissagree with a lot of stuff in these threads but I have also often gained new insight. If I didn't like other people having voices, i wouldn't be in this fucking thread at 5am. I love reading other people views...I don't like reading people call other people names (either openly or inferred) because they like a thing.
miss me with that shit bro
dude really?
I just don't like people getting attacked or passive aggressively called names because they like something.
I like reading other peoples POVs. I often dissagree with a lot of stuff in these threads but I have also often gained new insight. If I didn't like other people having voices, i wouldn't be in this fucking thread at 5am. I love reading other people views...I don't like reading people call other people names (either openly or inferred) because they like a thing.
miss me with that shit bro
Well, just look at all the posts in the thread celebrating the removal of an optional feature, one that was partially intended for female players as well. That looks a lot more like repugnance than criticism, you know?
I would implore you to look inward if you sincerely wish to continue to characterize people who criticize sexist portrayals as you do. Are the examples you used a thing? Sure. It has happened. Rarely but it has. Are they really truthful to how these conversations go and how the people who voice criticism of this kind of thing generally behave? Not really in my experience.
You are literally arguing for "let's not start on a bad foot" while you insult people who criticize sexism within gaming and characterize them as people who equate gaming to causing school violence. Do you get why that screams dissonance to me?
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