I can't tell if you're high or if I am.
Daniel Bryan has retired.
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I can't tell if you're high or if I am.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Calm down, boy.
WWE butchered the speech on YouTube. That's a fact, not a conspiracy. This isn't your wrasslin' thread.
Alex Stroud
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I texted my little brother when I saw the news. He and his roommate are apparently distraught. I'll watch the speech in the morning, my eyes are about to fall out it feels like, but I'm sure if it's as moving as Edge's retirement speech was, I'll have to close my office door before hitting play so no one can see how dusty it is in there.
UberTag
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Have a box of tissues handy.
Had such a rough day/night for a variety of reasons and this is the worst thing to come home to. What a bittersweet ending for one of the most talented wrestlers in history and a hell of a fucking nice guy. No one has any bad words to say about the man and that means a lot in this carny as fuck business. There's a lot of assholes in wrestling and he was never one. He got to where he was through hardwork, dedication and being damn good at what he did.
He gave his body and mind to the industry and I'm happy he got such a great farewell. I hope he stays involved and plays a role in developing the next generation of wrestlers moving forward.
He gave his body and mind to the industry and I'm happy he got such a great farewell. I hope he stays involved and plays a role in developing the next generation of wrestlers moving forward.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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The timing is immaculate for this new study:
A Single Concussion May Triple the Long-Term Risk of Suicide
A Single Concussion May Triple the Long-Term Risk of Suicide
Officerrob
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Dave Meltzer brought-up several times on his podcast today, if you give the test that convinced Bryan to retire to every guy on the roster, the results would be frightening. One e-mailer even mentioned that it's pretty crazy how Bubba Ray Dudley has said he has over a dozen concussions yet the WWE allows him to go out and have matches. I'm glad Bryan is getting out, hopefully before too much damage was sustained, but the concussion issue is just getting started with wrestling
Yay!
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Yeah I think for the better of the long term health of their performers tests like that one really need to start being more widespread and if it has a chilling effect that even reaches down into the indies with the way guys perform, well... GOOD. Maybe performers and bookers across the board get a better grasp of fundamentals when they can't rely on dudes taking needless risks to their long term health to get those "Holy shit" chants
...Holy shit. Holy shit. Holy shit.
funkystudent
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Bryan Danielson is the first guy I felt like I have followed from damn near the start of his career to the end. That era of indie wrestling was something real special.
Its a real bummer but he had the highest highs you can possible get as a pro wrestler. And in the end its better to leave the dance early then stay too long.
I hope he finds something rad to do next. Personally I cant see him working for WWE as a trainer or a on TV person. For a guy who clearly just loves wrestling this is probably real hearth breaking for him and for his own good he will probably want a clean break from being inside a wrestling ring.
Yup. That is the bigger issue. So many guys on the roster you look at and wonder.....
Concussions are their own thing that can just happen in any contract sport or super athletic thing but in general there really needs to be a giant shift in how WWE treats its performers for the sake of their long term health. People are working for years without extended breaks and will only be able to take time off when they physically are unable to wrestle and need to heal. Thats messed up.
Maybe people rotate house shows so they do a month on the road and a month off only doing TV. Maybe you just have more regular R&R periods so people can take a few weeks off per year.
Things are better then they where back in the day but its obvious in the last few years they have been letting more things fly that where once outlaws post Benoit.
Its a real bummer but he had the highest highs you can possible get as a pro wrestler. And in the end its better to leave the dance early then stay too long.
I hope he finds something rad to do next. Personally I cant see him working for WWE as a trainer or a on TV person. For a guy who clearly just loves wrestling this is probably real hearth breaking for him and for his own good he will probably want a clean break from being inside a wrestling ring.
Yup. That is the bigger issue. So many guys on the roster you look at and wonder.....
Concussions are their own thing that can just happen in any contract sport or super athletic thing but in general there really needs to be a giant shift in how WWE treats its performers for the sake of their long term health. People are working for years without extended breaks and will only be able to take time off when they physically are unable to wrestle and need to heal. Thats messed up.
Maybe people rotate house shows so they do a month on the road and a month off only doing TV. Maybe you just have more regular R&R periods so people can take a few weeks off per year.
Things are better then they where back in the day but its obvious in the last few years they have been letting more things fly that where once outlaws post Benoit.
SomedayTheFire
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Would have to assume next guy with a real bad concussion will have the same fate?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Sadly, it reminded me of Benoit and his headbutts.
cr_blah_blah
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It happened with Corey Graves in NXT 2014 too. He got a concussion and was gone a few months. Came back and received another one about 3 months into his return that lead to his retiring at only 29. With all the current and developing information we have about head trauma in sports, this will probably be more of a trend going forward. I'd imagine WWE being incredibly cautious considering all the litigation concerning it too.
Super_Cobra
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I used to be a huge fan of Shane o Mack.
SomedayTheFire
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Yeah I remember that. It's a bloody scary condition though being concussed. I hope for the sake of the performers, proper action is taken.
When did I say otherwise? I'm just pointing out their hasn't been a action like
Jericho's story about that incident was really fucked up. Bubba was mashed after that.
Except then they hire guys like Tommy Dreamer in 2016 to wrestle matches when he may have worse concussive damage than anyone on the roster.
shaowebb
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Bubba honestly deserved to be mashed more. The guy was a prick who would hurt people on purpose and was pretty childish. A lot of the time wrestlers didn't even know what the hell he was getting upset over but he'd start pitching a fit and whining over the least shit like being asked how he wanted to work a match just to include him in the product planning. Never knew what would set that guy off. Lazy, whiny and hurting folks on purpose is a kind of universal sentiment about Bubba from folks who worked him.
Hell I'm pretty certain his stiff work and concussion to Nowinsky eventually ended that guy's career. To be fair Nowinsky had his share of Concussions before that, but you'd think Bubba would try to protect folks he worked if he knew they had injuries to work through? Nope. Hell I think he went after the legs of Rico Constantino who had a torn ligament until he tore him two more times. Even pulled his legs over his head for the pin.
Bubba is a real piece of work.
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Its easy to forget how different the actual in-ring work is today than it was a few years back. I was watching (I think) Over the Edge '98 on the network the other night, and literally almost every match on the card featured unprotected head-shots and pile-driver variants. Nuts really.
These days, its very obvious that even if a guy potentially has undiagnosed concussion syndrome, they really aren't in the business of facilitating the problem being made worse.
SomedayTheFire
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What was the story? Seems like a botched bump from that gif, bubba just goes face first into the mat. Also that was the match with Jericho mashing his head off the steps from a ladder right?
They were trying to out do the violence each and every week and things like ECW and Mick and Terry Funk doing stupid shit caught the attention of the wrestler and fan.
Bryan's speech made me cry.
one of my favorite performers ever in any medium.
one of my favorite performers ever in any medium.I had to tune out for a year after that. I can't bare to watch any of his matches even nearly 9 years later. I hope a lot of the wrestlers who may be hurt have happy endings. Nobody deserves to become more suicidal because of brain damage.
I think they may be starting to be better about this. There are a lot of people out with injuries right now and I wonder if in the past some of these injuries would have been worked through. Maybe the Punk situation woke them up or emboldened the guys to stand up for themselves when they need time off.
shaowebb
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Honestly, I like how Lucha Underground is filming whole seasons in advance. It means they can have a backlog, keep wrestlers rested and to top it off they can cover their butts and edit footage for the best angles or to eliminate bad spots and botches from the final product. Its just a business win/win. A fed like that, if it worked a single territory with only a few designated travel shows a year, would be the ideal fed for a career man to stay in the business long term.
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Funny thing about the PPV I mentioned was that most of the risky stuff was in matches that frankly weren't really labelled as being that "hardcore". Ironically, the main event between Stone Cold and Mick Foley (as Dude Love) despite being the most OTT match actually had the least risk of head/neck trauma for the participant. Both guys took a few hard bumps and Austin bladed, but funnily enough the only person involved to take a bad shot to the head was Vince as the guest ref (!), and that was most likely due to him not being ring smart enough to put his arms up when Foley went in on the spot!
Seriously. I'd be shocked if some of the guys who have been in the game for a while like HHH, Taker and Cena passed that test.
mechashiva
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None of the LU guys get enough to just rest in between shows though. Those guys all have crazy Indy schedules to pay the bills.
funkystudent
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UberTag
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There's an alternate universe out there where that test becomes mandatory, all of the talent take it and the result that prompted Daniel Bryan to retire turns out to be in the top 10% of the entire active roster.
There's no doubt in my mind that many of the guys still going out there each week would fare worse than he did.
The Elite
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It's an exciting and different model. It should be the future.
No doubt very possible.
Genuinely terrifying. It's like he suddenly started acting like a man with late stage dementia. Christ.
The endgame is a severe curtailing of combat sports or its death.
But that's never going to happen because people are too passionate about it and there is a fuckton of money in it.
It's been a while but if I recall Jericho said Bubba basically started talking in gibberish and forgetting where he was or what he was doing in the match. Like he had to be told to climb the ladder and could only respond "How do I climb a ladder?". It sounds funny reading it but I doubt it was much of a laugh to see in person.
He repeatedly asked where his mom and dad while in the hospital despite his Mom being dead for a year. That's the most terrifying thing to me tbh.
UberTag
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Of course there is. And if we did away with things like that, we'd find something healthier to be passionate about and spend money on. The money isn't going anywhere. There are people making a living playing and streaming video games right now for crying out loud.
Clutching on to antiquated pastimes in some desperate bid for it not to go away doesn't amount to a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. Even greater things emerge from the ashes of torn down empires... ones that don't result in many of the WWE's greats dying at a young age or winding up as broken down shells of their former selves.
aGuyInaBearSuit
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Oh my God. That's horrifying. He sounded like an Alzheimer's patient.
Killing_Joke
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Here's my opinion.
- Cut RAW back to 2 hours and tape SD before RAW
- For 3 months of the year run 0 house shows, only RAW/SD and PPV shows.
SD and house show numbers look absolutely horrible. I honestly don't see how they make any profit off of them unless the arena is extremely dirt cheap.
If 3 is extreme then 2 months tops. But i can't see 3 being too difficult. Just imagine all the careers that would have lasted longer or even early deaths that could have been avoided if these guys had some decent time off.
- Cut RAW back to 2 hours and tape SD before RAW
- For 3 months of the year run 0 house shows, only RAW/SD and PPV shows.
SD and house show numbers look absolutely horrible. I honestly don't see how they make any profit off of them unless the arena is extremely dirt cheap.
If 3 is extreme then 2 months tops. But i can't see 3 being too difficult. Just imagine all the careers that would have lasted longer or even early deaths that could have been avoided if these guys had some decent time off.
HazySaiyan
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Bryan's speech made me cry.
I had to tune out for a year after that. I can't bare to watch any of his matches even nearly 9 years later. I hope a lot of the wrestlers who may be hurt have happy endings. Nobody deserves to become more suicidal because of brain damage.
I wasn't into wrestling when it happened but I did hear about it in the news, and even now I get uncomfortable whenever I see Benoit on screen, and I can't stand to watch any of his matches. I don't get how people are able to look past it because I just can't.
House shows are super cheap to run, a lot of them have seats that average 20$. If WWE is ever in your town they have the tag line with their ads "THE BEST VALUE IN ENTERTAINMENT"
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