I see if the emphasis is to push windows then the xbox one becomes no longer needed but instead all 1st party games and possible exclusives should be pushed to the windows store to help push windows 10. I can see phil somehow spinning that they are gonna be for the xbox one owners while twisting a knife in their back by moving all development to xbox and pc and then to pc only to support the windows pillar. MWAHAHAHAHA. why am i even discussing this subject so thoroughly when i don't even own an xb1.
Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for Xbox Owners
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I see if the emphasis is to push windows then the xbox one becomes no longer needed but instead all 1st party games and possible exclusives should be pushed to the windows store to help push windows 10. I can see phil somehow spinning that they are gonna be for the xbox one owners while twisting a knife in their back by moving all development to xbox and pc and then to pc only to support the windows pillar. MWAHAHAHAHA. why am i even discussing this subject so thoroughly when i don't even own an xb1.
Was it also full of hazelnut and chocolate?
SRTtoZ
Member
You're right, I posted that when I woke up and as I was showering I said that makes no sense that has to be digital only. Still its a great incentive to buy the XB1 version.
iNvid02
Member
if we put aside the insecure fanboys crying that their exclusives won't be exclusive to their toaster of choice for a moment, if i had bought an xb1 at launch and witnessed the price cuts, removal of kinect and the availability of more and more titles on PC, i'd probably be feeling buyer's remorse too.
its understandable
its understandable
Salty Hippo
Member
Anyone who thinks it has become pointless to own an X1, sell it and get the MS games you want on PC. What's stopping you? How does this impact you negatively? If anything you should be happy that you can exchange the system for extra money to buy new games knowing you won't be missing out on anything. And you'll also get the best versions of those games if your PC is good enough. AND you won't need to pay for online play.
Or you can keep your console along with the OMG MY LIFE IS RUINS NOW!!!!! discourse if you want. Either way is fine with me.
Or you can keep your console along with the OMG MY LIFE IS RUINS NOW!!!!! discourse if you want. Either way is fine with me.
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
I'm selling my pc and xbox because I wanted this game so badly and for some reason I'm just angry
less space taken up so it kinda is actually lol
Depends on what kind of bread he was feelin'.
test_account
XP-39C²
True, but i was thinking more about people who already have a PC that can run these games, and wanted to play the exclusive games. But heah, it probably wont be that much of a problem overall.
freshVeggie
Member
Great news. Bigger audience means more sales means bigger & better sequels. Not even mentioning Remedy getting more money to expand. Can imagine devs being happy about this.
bananafactory
Banned
Nailed it
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
"So, JonnyVP if we understand it correctly your plan includes releasing the game for PC which should be a major driver of the gazillions sales you project and then ask us to green light a sequel that skips the platform that generated a huge chunks of those sales?"
--JJJ laughter
.Exactly.
The only reason why I can see people seeing this as a negative is because they have an unhealthy attachment to an inanimate object. cough cough CrapGamer cough cough.
I mean fuck if Nintendo and Sony wanted to toss up their exclusives on PC today, I'd go pawn my Wii U and PS4 right away. Why the hell would I not want to be able to get all my games consolidated in one place, with better performance, and allowing the devs to have more avenues to sell their game and obtain wild success??
And for people who: 1) can't afford to build a PC or 2) simply don't want a PC? Keep buying on the consoles and more power to ya!
Well actually I'm particular to physical, so I'd want them to release some limited editions on PC in physical form at least just so I can vainly display the boxes on my shelf. But even if not I could probably eventually get over it.
petethepanda
Member
It's 100% the right move and is definitely a good thing for both Microsoft and Remedy.
It is a tad frustrating to have fewer and fewer reasons to use my Xbox One, but in the grand scheme of things, those of us who have both the console and a PC capable of playing AAA games make up a very small percentage of the market.
If Microsoft keeps sticking to their guns on the "no, really, we care about Windows as a gaming platform" thing this time around, I might sell my 'Bone and put it towards upgrading a piece of hardware in my PC, especially if they keep improving the W10 Xbox app.
It is a tad frustrating to have fewer and fewer reasons to use my Xbox One, but in the grand scheme of things, those of us who have both the console and a PC capable of playing AAA games make up a very small percentage of the market.
If Microsoft keeps sticking to their guns on the "no, really, we care about Windows as a gaming platform" thing this time around, I might sell my 'Bone and put it towards upgrading a piece of hardware in my PC, especially if they keep improving the W10 Xbox app.
ChosenPredator
Banned
so since MSPC are fused together or becoming fused together can i play multiplat games together with PC gamers now too?
Then yes - this isn't bad for xbox owners in any way (this was also my position as I posted a few posts up). My comments were more on the value the system has for the gamer. If the gamer feels - "my console isn't elite anymore and it's games can be played by everyone" they may not care to to stay in the Windows ecosystem at all. Some of the links to twitter/reddit seem to share this sentiment and those are the hardcore/early adopters that are usually first to buy the system who now feel like they are getting thrown to the curb.
But Windows 10 is a platform for many screens and Nadella wants Windows 10 users to be able to take their experiences across those screens.
Nadella said he expects there to be many screens in the future and they'll continue making hardware anytime they can show an innovative usage of Windows 10. If you take a step back and look at their current hardware lineup they're making more hardware than ever before.
I get that it's fun for some people to think this spells the end of Xbox, but all signs point to it getting bigger. I guess trolls gonna troll though.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
They are lucky me and my friends enjoy xbox party so much. They can kiss my ass goodbye or however that one rant goes lol
Roberto Larcos
Member
I wonder if PC will be getting dedicated servers? Also, free games on GWG - Rayman and Child of Light alone made it worth the ~£20 it costs. Plenty other games chucked at me too. I almost never buy games for Xbox now.
Rising_Hei
Member
Translation: We don't sell enough exclusives to make good profit out of it and/or we want to sell many OSs and we care 0 shit about a "lost cause" like the XB1
I don't buy the PR bullshit.
Great news overall for gamers, and you don't need an expensive PC to run games much better than the XB1 does
I don't buy the PR bullshit.
Great news overall for gamers, and you don't need an expensive PC to run games much better than the XB1 does
Right - but this is an assumption that the gamer has these Windows 10 devices (tablets, mobiles, etc.). Also (and I don't have any numbers to back this up) but i'd image that the majority of PC gamers are playing on monitors on a desk while the console is geared to the TV in the living room. Those sales (at least for rentals) can go another route and the main point would be that Windows is not the "living room" experience MSFT wants it to be (it's still on the desk in another room).
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
Cause its easier.
No doubt there are people who feel this way. But is a selfish position like that any kind of position to take? My argument is that sure these people can feel that way, but it doesn't make it valid at all.
And let's be honest what are these people going to do? My console isn't "elite" now so I'm going to pass up on all these games I genuinely wanted to play? Let's face it, the only people who talk like this are people who absolutely detest all other consoles (read: Console Cheftains because they've long been promoted from warriors), so what are they gonna do quit gaming altogether? Talk about cutting off your nose, ears, lips, and gouging your eyeballs out to spite your face.
Birgitte2004
Member
It's assumption to think that Alan Wake would have done enough to warrant a sequel if it had launched simultaneously on PC. And it's an assumption that I don't believe in, as much as I like the game. And this is one of the places where Steamspy and Steam # of sales really doesn't tell any kind of a picture. I bought the title for 3$. Even though I own it I certainly didn't do anything real to help Remedy's bottom line.
And Crossplay is both a benefit and a curse, it really depends on the game type. An Xbox Controller has no chance to compete with a mouse/keyboard set up unless they provide so much controller assist it's hideous or it's a game like Rocket League where controller is probably better anyway.
Why would someone have buyers remorse if they already own the console and have gotten enjoyment out of it? Even then it was your choice. MS did not lie at all they just expanded their plan and gave us something better than we had and MS did not force you to buy it.
Also if you didn't have either a PC or and X1 before I feel there is no difference here. X1 is still $500 in a 1TB bundle. To buy a PC to play a game like QB you would need to spend about $1500 from scratch to at least get it working better than the X1 version. Even if you had an ok PC, unless you are selling you X1 for $500 you wouldn't be able to upgrade just the video card to that level you need. And FFS don;t complain about money you spent on the console months ago.
Also if you didn't have either a PC or and X1 before I feel there is no difference here. X1 is still $500 in a 1TB bundle. To buy a PC to play a game like QB you would need to spend about $1500 from scratch to at least get it working better than the X1 version. Even if you had an ok PC, unless you are selling you X1 for $500 you wouldn't be able to upgrade just the video card to that level you need. And FFS don;t complain about money you spent on the console months ago.
Just like Windows 10 saved Windows Phone.
The Windows team is making Xbox cross-device for Windows 10 as a feature to attract more users.
Nadella nor the Windows team have used the word "living room experience" to my knowledge since Nadella took over. Nadella's whole aim has been mobile first and cloud first, so he wants to enable you to be anywhere on any screen, able to take the experience with you.
Phil explained his vision for the Xbox and the Windows ecosystem about a year ago...
Phil Spencer said:
From his "The Future of Gaming Across the Microsoft Ecosystem" session at GDC in March this year. Link
huh? explain
Brand loyalty makes it valid and these people preach the Xbox brand. I mean lets be real - some of the twitter posters sit in front of Best Buy watching people walk in assuming they're buying Xbox consoles (not kidding) for NPDs. People switching brands is definitely a thing and a cause for concern. There are alot of different places to spend time and money getting entertained.
Get a PS4
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
So there's people who are upset about the game being available on more Windows devices, so they're going to abandon said ecosystem entirely and forego any chance of playing those games, despite the fact they have more options to do so? Is that what you're saying? Who are these people?!
Do you have any objection to PC gamers playing a few Xbox One exclusives on their preferred platform ?
Its simply to easy see this as doom and gloom for the xbox. xbox hardware and window screens are 2 different things and nadella is making it sound more like the plan is to have you play your first party games on tablets , pc, and cellphones rather than on your xbox one if the goal is to push windows.
I hope you have time because you can click through the 21 pages of thread and.....voila.....
This plan has been in place since Microsoft got its new CEO, and as far back as GDC last year or two.
MoveableObject
Neo Member
Short term, I don't think there are any real downsides for Microsoft releasing their games in their storefront on PCs. The XBox One has momentum, and even if this strategy does translate to (marginally) lower console sales, they are already well entrenched in the market, and will continue to make money. Plus, the increase in audience will definitely mean more copies sold, which should help them further develop their properties.
The problem, as I see it, is what happens in three or four years, when the next generation roles around. Microsoft will (barring an enormous, and seemingly impossible shift) be coming in well behind Sony in mindshare after the results of this generation. At that point, why would someone on the fence buy the next XBox when they can play the same "exclusives" releasing on PC without the need for an additional standalone hardware investment? Sure, they'll sell more copies of the games thanks to the bigger audience, but I'm skeptical that that would offset the decrease in revenue from third-party game sales, accessories, LIVE subscriptions, etc.
I'm fairly certain the Microsoft doesn't want their video game division to follow in Sega's footprints, so they'll have a tight line to walk for this to not have repercussions going forward. Of course, they could always back off from this approach, and annoy PC gamers yet again. Or maybe more tightly linking all of their ecosystems together will result in them actually taking over the living room like they always wanted. It'll be interesting to see what direction they go in.
The problem, as I see it, is what happens in three or four years, when the next generation roles around. Microsoft will (barring an enormous, and seemingly impossible shift) be coming in well behind Sony in mindshare after the results of this generation. At that point, why would someone on the fence buy the next XBox when they can play the same "exclusives" releasing on PC without the need for an additional standalone hardware investment? Sure, they'll sell more copies of the games thanks to the bigger audience, but I'm skeptical that that would offset the decrease in revenue from third-party game sales, accessories, LIVE subscriptions, etc.
I'm fairly certain the Microsoft doesn't want their video game division to follow in Sega's footprints, so they'll have a tight line to walk for this to not have repercussions going forward. Of course, they could always back off from this approach, and annoy PC gamers yet again. Or maybe more tightly linking all of their ecosystems together will result in them actually taking over the living room like they always wanted. It'll be interesting to see what direction they go in.
therealbigrich
Member
Wouldn't the new xbox owner buy a gold membership and use xbox store ?
family_guy
Member
I think if they did that much earlier when they were getting killed by PS4 it would have made a difference to X1 sales. I know I would have kept the Xbox One I had. It's just a bit much to ask for $100+ a year for two console services.
Well, he and Phil have both mentioned console as part of the integrated play, so I think the plan for now is to continue supporting it as part of the Windows 10 platform.
Satya Nadella said:
Phil Spencer said:
Haha then those people never really cared about all those awesome exclusive games, they just bought the console because of the corporation's name that was printed on it. These are by definition crazy people and honestly, who cares what they think. They surely don't make up any sort of percentage of the userbase that MS will miss.
Nah GAF is pretty reasonable all things considered. Take a look at even the most well known Xbox fans here and they pretty much all unanimously lauded this as a great initiative. Because if you truly love Xbox and its games, then you want to share that with people, the more the better. This initiative does exactly that.
People spouting nonsense have been junior members that just popped out of nowhere. I'm guessing probably some are from that crazy Reddit thread or the people harassing poor Mr. Spencer.
MaulerX
Member
That's right. 1 MAU replaces another MAU - by that definition the business doesn't grow. Also a MAU doesn't necessarily need to be a Gold member. The new gamer can be a Silver member and avoid getting the sub.
You're trying to make too much sense to people who don't want to hear it
. This is what MS wanted years ago (and in which they should have had with Windows 8). Seeing it finally happen is just awesome. I believe the next Xbox will be back compat and since all of my games are digital, they will follow me. The games that are cross-buy, I'll keep those too as I upgrade my PC. It's the future.Funny, Apple has games that are cross-buy with iPhone and iPad and everyone is happy because they own the game regardless of the device. Microsoft does it with Xbox One and Windows Store and everyone loses their minds. SMH.
KurtSloane
Banned
Simply this is more to do with the fact that the X1 install base is small and that sales of many exclusives have been poor.
They need the additional revenue from PC sales.
It's good for PC gamers, but its a reflection of the Xbox business and its not necessarily good.
They need the additional revenue from PC sales.
It's good for PC gamers, but its a reflection of the Xbox business and its not necessarily good.
Microsoft put a hell of a lot focus on Windows 10 desktop during their "One OS" strategy. The result was a poor phone OS, a half assed release for Lumia 950 and The Verge announcing Windows Phone as dead.
There are Xbox One exclusives?
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
Yup it's exactly this. Not that other remedy games cane to pc and started as pc games or that Ms said they wanted to do this kind of thing a year ago
Something that the OP missed and that I think every time stuff like this happens. All the games that are Microsoft exclusive on console run on Microsoft windows. This means that they make money from PC gamers, Xbox gamers, and can get people to use their OS more. Microsoft doesn't lose exclusives they just release them on Windows. It is typically good for all people involved. Devs and Microsoft make more money on extra sales, Microsoft can tout their gaming user base, and Players can get it on their prefered platform.Plus with Killer Instinct and Fable Legends they are putting in cross-play between Win 10 and XBone. People can say it is all woe for Microsoft, but really they are doing good for themselves with things like this.