I'm not, because it is still a console exclusive for me. I bought a PS4 and an Xbox One because I like to play on consoles and for their exclusives. These games are not on PS4, just the same as games like Bloodborne and Horizon are not on Xbox One. Why should I give two shits if some of the games also end up on PC? Most of the people who buy these systems are in the same boat and the only reason some are mad boils down to nothing more than list war bullshit.
Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for Xbox Owners
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I'm not, because it is still a console exclusive for me. I bought a PS4 and an Xbox One because I like to play on consoles and for their exclusives. These games are not on PS4, just the same as games like Bloodborne and Horizon are not on Xbox One. Why should I give two shits if some of the games also end up on PC? Most of the people who buy these systems are in the same boat and the only reason some are mad boils down to nothing more than list war bullshit.
Because some people aren't satisfied that people might actually be ok with this.
They see it as some white flag from Microsoft and want to make sure everyone sees it like they do, and consistently fail to see the several reasons that culminated in this decision, in an effort to revert the discussion back to their level.
Console wars. List wars (lol, only got to check the last page). Stuff they know and can understand.
Not to say there hasn't been reasonable discussion from people who appear to be against it. But the overwhelming majority just seems like shitpost after shitpost from either butthurt xbox fanboys, "concerned" owners of other consoles and PC's who apparently no longer have a reason to buy the console (I mean, it's only been 3 years and several seasons of severe sales, so yeah, sure you were), and then a random "lol xbox is dead" every now and again.
I am reading this back in my head, and while I'm pretty sure your being deadpan about this, something about the way it's typed is making me think your joking.
Because this statement makes it seem like your for it, and the statement I responded to seemed like you weren't exactly a fan.
Pantaghana
Member
XBO still isn't officially available in my country. Retailers have imports and kinectless cost 500$, fuck that.
Gold can't be bought with a credit card, have to use the coupons. Those used to be 75$, now they are ~55$ (improvement!). Guessing those are imported as well.
If you ever contact support for any reason, they can't help you with anything.
I guess the Balkans aren't part of Europe?
Either way, the only XBO exclusive that interests me is Scalebound, since it's coming to PC I might actually buy it.
Sounds like you've got the true "Microsoft loves Europe" experience.
Two edged sword. For example you can have one larger community in Halo where KB/M players outplays the console gamers, or you can have two smaller separate communities.
Pantaghana
Member
Strangely enough MS has a strong presence in education here, my Windows and Office licences are provided to me free by my university that has a partnership with MS, and there's a Microsoft Innovation Center in my college.
One time I was passing by while some class was in session, the projector showed a black desktop with a "product key invalid" message. When I look up the MIC on MS official pages, the address and the name of the city are correct, but on the map the wrong city is marked. Never change Microsoft, never change.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Absolutely. I love to have spent 500 to play @900p , and online games without crossplay with other platforms
Games output at 1080p on the TV though.
Different part of the company. Microsoft as a B2B and education company is strong across Europe. The consumer part such as Xbox and Surface has not been prioritized the past 5 years.
SensibleSucker
Member
How do we know their expectations?
No business will set a business model based on an expectation such as "We must be the first placed console".
They are likely to have put in projected sales data based on units globally. Now, if they felt the 360 did OK (and it certainly did well enough to merit the Xbone), then they are ahead of those sales.
Yes, multi-plat attractiveness may well have been hit somewhat in terms of being the 2nd most desirable console to make games for. All the more reason to double down on 1st/2nd party. However, the sales numbers are still very impressive globally and the XBone attach rate/spend per gamer seems higher on Xbone (according to Ubi), so there's still plenty to be made on the platform.
In one fell swoop, more people will now be able to buy QB and make MS money. That will help them make more games.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
May I redirect you to my post earlier in the thread answering your question?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=195027017&postcount=1403
dodgykebaab
Banned
Q) Are games coming to a console and PC a problem?
A) No, looks at SFV. PS4 owners are actually happy they can fight people online even on other platforms.
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Q) But is this different in anyway?
A) Yes, something like SFV is upfront that it's on two different platforms and people can make an informed purchase decision.
This is different because it was believed to be exclusive to Xbox One. It might only be one game, but it sets a precedent for more Xbox One exclusive games from MS to appear on PC. Had buyers known this from the offset maybe their money spent on an Xbox One would have been spent on PC upgrades.
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Q) So the problem is lack of information, and not the actual game?
A) Exactly. MS changing previously exclusive Xbox One games to appear on PC as well might degrade trust in Xbox One. One game appearing on PC is not a problem. Showing people why they should spend money on your platform and then changing those reasons will not earn you any friends, and a backlash should be expected.
A) No, looks at SFV. PS4 owners are actually happy they can fight people online even on other platforms.
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Q) But is this different in anyway?
A) Yes, something like SFV is upfront that it's on two different platforms and people can make an informed purchase decision.
This is different because it was believed to be exclusive to Xbox One. It might only be one game, but it sets a precedent for more Xbox One exclusive games from MS to appear on PC. Had buyers known this from the offset maybe their money spent on an Xbox One would have been spent on PC upgrades.
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Q) So the problem is lack of information, and not the actual game?
A) Exactly. MS changing previously exclusive Xbox One games to appear on PC as well might degrade trust in Xbox One. One game appearing on PC is not a problem. Showing people why they should spend money on your platform and then changing those reasons will not earn you any friends, and a backlash should be expected.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I really doubt that MS is happy with One sales. The numbers are not good. Yea they might be good relative to 360 but the 360 was a long time ago. The market is bigger today, and the fact that PS4 is selling so quickly means that MS is capturing less of the market than they used to. They are in effect leaving money on the table.
If MS' plan is to sell to Xbox and PC owners because they want to rebuild their in-house studios (something else that Mattrick destroyed), then yes this is good for One owners. But if they plan to wind down everything in the long run, well then this doesn't help One owners either way. Unfortunately we won't know for a couple of years just what MS wants to do with gaming... for all we know Nadella would be content with being a Minecraft shop.
LukasTaves
Member
It adds value to xbone because more user base means more sales means more support. If the store is device agnostic everyone can purchase games on it, instead of restricting to just Xbone users.
The point you said about exclusives is just as valid now, but instead it's applied to the digital store instead of xbone. They have store exclusives to stimulate gamers buying from said store and xbone becomes just one of the means that can access this store (and probably the only way to buy these games physically).
Even so I would still buy an xbone because I prefer the readiness of the console, and because it has a good value/performance ratio for me. If they ever replicate that on Pc then I won't buy Xboxes anymore, but I will still be buying from their store, building my library to play on whichever device I want, which could be useful when they release an xbone 2 which again offers a good performance/value proposition.
Simply put, xbone gamers benefit because they are strengthening the platform and that means more games, even for xbone only users.
Absolutely. I love to have spent 500 to play @900p , and online games without crossplay with other platforms
So you would have paid about 1000 more for that extra 180p and still no cross play to play on PC?
No one forced the decision on you nad if you did buy the X1 I would be you my left nut that you had fun with it. So now that fun is invalid because it is not better looking? GTFO
Salty Hippo
Member
They also laugh at the few 900p and many, many 30fps games on PS4. Why is this a big deal now?
The only info anyone can go on (since no one would disclose that so easily) is that they often refused to provide the sales figures for the consoles, opting for shipped numbers or others such as combining 360 and Xbox One numbers, forcing people to extrapolate. As is generally true for most companies using this tactic of exchanging metrics, it is often a sign that they have not performed as well as they would like to report
I can't believe even him said something like this.
https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/698170893873188864?lang=en
https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/698170893873188864?lang=en
dgrdsv
Member
Oh come on. The reason that most of 360 games came to PC eventually was the main one behind my decision to not buy XBO at launch in this gen. I had no basis to suggest that XBO will be any different to 360 here and thus it made no sense for me to buy the platform at launch to play 1-3 games on it during its lifetime. This isn't something which is happening now, this is how things were with OG Xbox, 360 and how they are now with XBO.
I hope spencer is getting some supportive posts on twitter. I haven't checked, but from these dumb twitter posts that people are showing here on gaf, I feel like I need to create an account on twitter just to tell spencer that I like the quantum break decision and cross play amd to keep up the good work.
Not sure why that's hard to believe. He's always seemed level headed and greater accessibility of games is pro-consumer.
It seems for every raging fanboy response there are multiple supportive posts in response.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Good for gamers.
wapplew
Member
How bout you put games on WiiU or PS4
I love this utopian idea that if Sony and Nintendo released their first party games on PC it'd be good for everyone.
It'd be good for PC owners for a few years, until slowly eroding license fees for Sony and Nintendo would push them into reducing investment into first party software, or taking fewer risks to ensure they'll sell well across multiple platforms.
You simply wouldn't get the same range of titles that you get now from the closed ecosystems of the other platforms.
You'd end up with fewer games. Sony and Nintendo aren't in the business of being a software publisher. They are software publishers to assist their business of selling their hardware platform. And by selling hardware, they can then charge other companies a license fee to publish software on it.
dodgykebaab
Banned
This only reinforces the point. You already knew MS backtrack on what exclusive means and decided not to buy the console, so for you trust has already been lost.
Now the same is happening again, but this game this the example other people look at instead of the example you saw years back.
Good to know that Spencer is getting his much due support as well.
We do also have this other thread here on GAF about essentially who wil jump ship.. Some of the reasons are baffling.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1182818
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
nvm
Lister
Banned
I get the points you are tryign to make, and for the msot part I agree, but common, has GAF NOT outgrown the "$1,500 PC for a few extra p's" nonsense yet?
Well it would be good. The outcome if everyone did it, would be more revenue which could be invested into more games. Probably of particular importance for the console oriented folks / platform holders, as the development of the typical AAA titles are ballooning
IDK, I pay money to subscribe to multiple networks for TV like HBO, Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu. They seem to be doing just fine as they made their content more widely available.
The platform isn't just a single device. Even Sony is pushing PS Now to a range of devices, including Samsung TVs. You think they're going to stop there? Please.
They'll come back around once they see it becomes the norm. All the other digital media types (film, TV, music) have become more accessible over time as they went digital. It's absolutely baffling to me that people can't see the same inevitable outcome for games.
Isn't it a widely acknoledged fact that you DON'T make money off of hardware?
Videogames have always been a "Give away the razors so you can sell the blades" kinda business.
Maybe the Wii was the exception but generally speaking.
Lister
Banned
Lol, seriously?
More sales on PC - a largely digital marketplace >>>>> the few sales they would lose on their own platform in terms of money coming in.
If anything the OPPOSITE is likely to be true, they would be able to afford LARGER investments into first party games. This is precisely what Microsoft is banking on.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That was then. They are in fact, making money off hardware this gen from day one. Times have changed for them.
Not the same though. HBO doesn't care if you subscribe to Warner Cable, or whatever cable box you have. But HBO content is only on HBO (or sublicensed to eg Sky in the UK). They want you to watch their content by subscribing to their channel. They want HBO to be a destination you will pay to get to.
sorry - by making money from selling hardware, I mean "making money by building up a hardware install base and then selling access to that to third party publishers through software license fees". I thought that would be implied in the comment but I should have made it clearer.
I completely and utterly disagree with you, but thats ok
Lister
Banned
Yep, They're like printer manufacturers. It's actually more expensive to buy a full set of ink for my printer than to buy a new printer!
And you can't draw a parallel to the emergence and evolution of network services like Steam, Origin/EA Access, Uplay, PSN/PS Now, and Xbox? They've all been working towards more accessibility, not less, and you think what they have today is it? You seriously can't see where it's headed? You can't simply look back at what happened to other digital content and draw a conclusion about where games are headed?
They make money off EVERY game sold on their system, not just their own.
They also make money off of everything else you use their systems for.
Lister
Banned
Not necessarily. The thing is first party exclusives aren't about direct sales - they are about separating the console from it's market competition.
I'm not sure how on earth you think selling a few million more copies in a market place with almost double the profitability of console retail, wouldn't bring in more revenue than missing out on whatever percent fo the market would have purchased the game on PS4.
So the question becomes, who is it's market competitor? The Xbone or the PC?
I wish we had a Venn diagram of PC gamers and console gamers. I think there isn't as much overlap as you guys think there is. Just look at many GAFFER's dismissal of the platform.
wapplew
Member
This so much! Many unique titles only possible because first party willing to take risk for better portfolio.
Of course.
Some people make it out to be bad, but that doesn't make it true.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
We already have an example of how this would look. They're called third-party developers.
Tell me, can you name a single third-party developer with the quantity, quality, and variety that you can get from Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo? I certainly can't.
The idea of an "open marketplace" where everything is on everything and everything is better is not based in reality.
...what?
First of all, a first party will make more money per game on their own system then they would on, say, Steam.
But beyond that, someone owning Nintendo's or Sony's system is worth a hell of a lot more to them than the value of someone not on their system buying all of their games.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Wow some of these posts.
Except that by getting the hardware in people's hands, you get to earn money off everyone releasing games for people to buy. Make your ecosystem look like there is no investment in it and then nobody will buy it. Hello Vita.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
They'e talked about wanting to transition into a services provider rather than being purely a hardware and software company, so I could see them wanting to merge the Xbox console platform and gaming via the Windows store into a single, unified Xbox platform. Thus it would make sense for them to release their games on both Xbox and Windows, so those who prefer the convenience and simplicity of a console can get the physical Xbox console while those who prefer PC gaming can get the game digitally via the PC-based Xbox service/store. Regardless of where you buy it, MS still makes money.
Nintendo and Sony don't have an OS as a gaming platform/service to support, so it would make less sense for them to set up a Windows-based storefront and make Windows ports of their games.
Nintendo and Sony don't have an OS as a gaming platform/service to support, so it would make less sense for them to set up a Windows-based storefront and make Windows ports of their games.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Young people who live at home or dorms will understandably not see the value in this.
However, anyone who has their own place will appreciate what this offers. Being able to play your XB1 games on PC while the significant other watches TV in the living room is huge. Even more so if you have kids.
Phil & Sataya are really onto something with this vision of united devices. This is the future and anything else is going to seem archaic in comparison.
However, anyone who has their own place will appreciate what this offers. Being able to play your XB1 games on PC while the significant other watches TV in the living room is huge. Even more so if you have kids.
Phil & Sataya are really onto something with this vision of united devices. This is the future and anything else is going to seem archaic in comparison.
There's some of us out there (I personally have) that support it. Funny enough, I talked to Phil on twitter about cross-buy when ReCore was announced for Windows 10. He said that the model hasn't been announced. I then said we gamers remember when you said about buying a game once and getting it everywhere and he said he knows that the gaming audience is paying attention to what he says and does. I have no doubt that he knows it's the best thing for MS, devs, and for consumers in the long run.
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