Clearly what you did wasn't reading...
Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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Clearly what you did wasn't reading...
Are you sure you actually read anything?
roadrunn3r
Member
Which thread did you read, care to link?
Wasn't GFWL a client, while Windows Store is a unified store across Windows 10 that has been alive since Windows 8 on desktop and Windows Phone 7 on mobile?
If you're going to shitpost anyways you can be honest about that. Don't hold back.
I'd like to see the explanation here. What is mostly being discussed is certainly not about wanting the game to only be on Steam or that everything should be. It is that Universal Apps are horribly limited in functionality compared to what PC gamers come to expect
Nah, you can, it's just a pain in the ass
Yep, if W10 store goes away, some big shit has gone down, lol.
"60% hype" is at the same time an oddly specific AND an incredibly vague amount of hype
I'm on Mac.
But Windows Store on desktop launched with Windows 8 and is already 3 years old.
Sure. I've realized in recent years that Steam isn't the be all and end all of how I enjoy my PC gaming. I'm not bothered at all if I have to use the Microsoft store, I'm just happy I get to play it on PC. I'd actually prefer every game be DRM free and never have to buy a game on Steam again.
I did read it thank you,I wont bring up quotes hence why I didn't name anyone,but yes there is a little sense of entitlement. I get there are valid feelings about Microsoft and its GFWL era,I also get the opinions of the windows store being trash at the moment. Maybe I should rephrase that as in,some would like it MS games to be sold through Steam if its going to have ''a chance at doing good in sales''.
I get that,sorry I should of rephrased my original statement
To address the apologists the bigger problem is that Microsoft the Game publisher doesn't actually control the Windows 10 store. That particular aspect is probably the windows team, along with the UWA specification. If anybody knows anything about MS by now is that their organizational chart is essentially this:
Making the likelihood of getting fixes to the problems low or extremely late.
Making the likelihood of getting fixes to the problems low or extremely late.
Gabe should smite you down.
CyberPunked
Member
I think the reason this is an issue is due to the limitations that the Windows store presents when compared to Origin/steam/uplay/gog.
Origin/steam/uplay/gog are all basically the same thing, they just allow you to buy and download the exact same game, but with Win store it's different. You're purchasing an App, and with that comes the limitations; no overlays, v-sync locks, windowed mode, no access to the .exe, etc (please let me know if i'm wrong about any of these). So the conflict isn't with the store, it's with the form at which the software is delivered.
Origin/steam/uplay/gog are all basically the same thing, they just allow you to buy and download the exact same game, but with Win store it's different. You're purchasing an App, and with that comes the limitations; no overlays, v-sync locks, windowed mode, no access to the .exe, etc (please let me know if i'm wrong about any of these). So the conflict isn't with the store, it's with the form at which the software is delivered.
It would sell a lot better if sold through Steam. How is this in any doubt?
prag16
Banned
This. Totally different situation. The GFWL related panic is overblown. That said there are obviously valid gripes about the ways the games are gimped presently.
Nevertheless, thinking it would launch on Steam was never a reasonable expectation.
CharmingCharlie
Member
Yeah after the horrific memories of GFWL still fresh in my mind there isn't a cats chance in hell I am touching anything Microsoft spew out in terms of "digital distribution". I hope Remedy are not expecting many sales on the PC.
888
Member
They tried that before and it failed miserably. They should just lock cross buy to Windows store but still offer it on other platforms. I can't stand the windows store for games and wouldn't go out of my way to buy anything there.
afternoon delight
Member
My thoughts exactly.
iNvid02
Member
It may just do that, but theres some valid discussion regards what MS could do to avoid that. Its not different to discussions Ive had that revolved around how bad Steam was when HL2 was released. Obviously MS have had multiple attempts - call me naive to think they could actually learn from them, though kept an eye on your back...
i get that, its a new-ish store and its going to evolve and improve as time goes on, people are always quick to judge how the latest company to throw their hat in the ring is not up to par with established competitors (moreso in this case because this is not their first attempt)
but, its not the same as origin saying "we'll improve our download speeds" or uplay saying "we'll improve the user interface after a few iterations", the restrictions imposed by these universal apps are inherent to microsoft's strategy, it's going to require some rethinking on their part or making exceptions for full titles, so saying "they'll probably fix some of these issues give them time" is not reassuring really
What you're getting is even worse than Steam.
Not saying it wont,but honestly how are any new Steam competitors gonna get off the ground if the notion is like this? Also before you hit me with MS past PC ventures,I'm generally talking about other PC store fronts.
chromatic9
Member
I think you just reminded this person of something.
Unless they REQUIRE it, no. AFAIK the Store is the same as the Windows 8 store which is the same as the X-box Live store front.
The hell do you mean it gets us nowhere. Last time it got Microsoft to fuck off back to console land where consumers are okay with their shit. Personally I'm hoping it'll happen again.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
As an aside I've not been impressed with W10 at all. No speed increase or reduced loading times, loads of bloatware and a shit load of my privacy gone out the window it seems.
UWP apps do not work on W8/8.1.
To address the apologists the bigger problem is that Microsoft the Game publisher doesn't actually control the Windows 10 store. That particular aspect is probably the windows team, along with the UWA specification. If anybody knows anything about MS by now is that their organizational chart is essentially this:
Making the likelihood of getting fixes to the problems low or extremely late.
So you're saying that Microsoft hasn't changed their organizational chart since Bill Gates. Cool.
Delusibeta
Banned
And there's the other shoe dropping.
This entire strategy is dead on arrival. Pretty much nobody is using the Win10Store, and given Microsoft's past record on games that requires a Windows upgrade and use of their specific system, I doubt this will change the financial fortune of the Win10Store.
This entire strategy is dead on arrival. Pretty much nobody is using the Win10Store, and given Microsoft's past record on games that requires a Windows upgrade and use of their specific system, I doubt this will change the financial fortune of the Win10Store.
Aztechnology
Member
The entrenchment we see from people on older versions of Windows refusing to upgrade to 10 and making it a Steam or nothing argument need to give it a rest.
Deal with it.
Deal with it.
To address the apologists the bigger problem is that Microsoft the Game publisher doesn't actually control the Windows 10 store. That particular aspect is probably the windows team, along with the UWA specification. If anybody knows anything about MS by now is that their organizational chart is essentially this:
Making the likelihood of getting fixes to the problems low or extremely late.
Well, the Xbox team was moved under the Windows team by the CEO to help grow Windows, Windows revenue, etc. It's not about getting the most game sales of any individual game, it's about driving Windows adoption, usage, and revenue.
Satya Nadella said:
That said, I still think there's a Uplay on Steam-like solution that's worth them exploring. I think most people would be fine having the Microsoft account and Windows 10 requirements so long as they could keep everything in Steam.
While I agree that the W10 store is terrible and that the sole objective of Microsoft to release this (and future) game exclusively on it is to drive it's adoption, but it's sad to read some of the extreme sectarianism by some posters in relation to those who don't share their views in regards to "real pc gaming".
CyberPunked
Member
Well it's DX12, so you need Win 10.
FunkyDealer
Banned
I've never had any issues with the Windows 10 store, and it allows for easy cross-platform functionality with Xbox.
That would be weird, but whatever floats your boat.
Doesn't have to be. If it turns out to be a bad port then fuck it. But if it runs well and doesn't push GFWL-esque promts down your throat, I don't see the problem.
Remedy game + dx12 + doubt story would be akin to max payne 1/2 gets my hype meter up to 60.333%.
People have given reason after reason after reason that a Windows 10 Store exclusive "app" is a bad fucking thing.
Maybe learn to read threads you post in.
Yet nobody is taking issue with the "where". They're taking issue with the "how".
And the "how" is key. They have demonstrated that they haven't learned anything about GFWL.
Having Live friends/messages/parties/matchmaking in a Steam purchased game seems weird.
roadrunn3r
Member
Yep that's it.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
That's not quite right. Windows Phone 8 apps are backwards incompatible with Windows Phone 7 (some but not all Windows Phone 7 apps are forwards compatible with 8). Both sets of Windows Phone apps are incompatible with desktop Windows. I believe they're trying to eventually make it to be write-once run-anywhere but it's not there yet.
prag16
Banned
But why. Exclusive PS4 owners don't play xbone games because they'd require buying another piece of hardware. You on the other hand have no such barrier to entry and you ignore all Origin/uplay/battlenet/etc content anyway. Why.
Personally if I had to choose between Steam and "everything else", it's the latter and not close. Hell I may even choose Origin over Steam head to head. Almost.
If you want your games to be DRM free, then of all the distribution methods on PC (GoG, Steam, Battle.net, Origin, Uplay, etc.) Windows store "Universal Apps" are one of the most inherently remote from that ideal (an ideal I fully agree with).
GoG is obviously the best, and Steam is actually right after that (due to Valve not actually requiring any DRM for games distributed on Steam).
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
There are universal apps already available, but not all apps are universal on the store.