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[ps3ud0]

i get that, its a new-ish store and its going to evolve and improve as time goes on, people are always quick to judge how the latest company to throw their hat in the ring is not up to par with established competitors (moreso in this case because this is not their first attempt)

but, its not the same as origin saying "we'll improve our download speeds" or uplay saying "we'll improve the user interface after a few iterations", the restrictions imposed by these universal apps are inherent to microsoft's strategy, it's going to require some rethinking on their part or making exceptions for full titles, so saying "they'll probably fix some of these issues give them time" is not reassuring really

Completely agree, MS needs to be held to higher requirements and issues regards games as UWA should have had far more consideration from them to even allow PC gamers to accept them.

I was in the RoTR PC thread where someone mentioned (I think he had a friend working in that area) the point of how impressive it was to make it into an UWA, but failed to state beyond the technological marvel what the real point of that was and the benefit to the average person.

Personally I find it hard not feel that MS has contempt for us and really doesnt think consultation/consideration was a requirement. Small concessions from them actually probably feel like huge strides to us and I genuinely cant see how that jeopardises where they are looking to take us.

Ive rambled a lot in my replies so sorry to all for that...

The hell do you mean it gets us nowhere. Last time it got Microsoft to fuck off back to console land where consumers are okay with their shit. Personally I'm hoping it'll happen again.

Ah didnt think of that connotation - I just merely meant all we end up doing is arguing between ourselves and getting worked up rather than actually making a salient point we all agree on/understand

ps3ud0 8)

 

[tuxfool]

So you're saying that Microsoft hasn't changed their organizational chart since Bill Gates. Cool.

They certainly didn't under Balmer. The new regime is still young and stupid.

 

[Kysen]

Its pretty obvious why they are doing this, why hand over 30% to valve when they already have their own platform. I see more publishers going this route over time.

 

[mcrommert]

That's not quite right. Windows Phone 8 apps are backwards incompatible with Windows Phone 7 (some but not all Windows Phone 7 apps are forwards compatible with 8). Both sets of Windows Phone apps are incompatible with desktop Windows. I believe they're trying to eventually make it to be write-once run-anywhere but it's not there yet.

As of win 10 (desktop, mobile, iot, Xbox, hololense) and with uwp it is right once run everywhere

 

[888]

This. Totally different situation. The GFWL related panic is overblown. That said there are obviously valid gripes about the ways the games are gimped presently.

Nevertheless, thinking it would launch on Steam was never a reasonable expectation.

There are even games on Steam and origin that are pretty much unplayable because of the gwfl client being built in. Personally unless they give a real good reason to trust them again not many people will. Them releasing on Steam helps build that.

 

[JaggedSac]

That's not quite right. Windows Phone 8 apps are backwards incompatible with Windows Phone 7 (some but not all Windows Phone 7 apps are forwards compatible with 8). Both sets of Windows Phone apps are incompatible with desktop Windows. I believe they're trying to eventually make it to be write-once run-anywhere but it's not there yet.

It is now. A single UWP project can target all UWP platforms. UWP platforms include W10, W10M, W10IOT, HoloLens, and soon to be Bone. Obviously one has to code for each platforms' UI, but the plumbing is there at this point for a unified store across all devices. Most MS developed apps are actually UWPs now. Such as Office Mobile, Outlook, Calendar, Groove, OneNote, etc.

 

[fantomena]

It's not a store issue.

They can have their 30% for all I care.

It's about this:

.

My current card (GTX 690) requires me to run SLI in most of games which makes the non-SLi support a deal-breaker for me.

 

[K' Dash]

Shit like this is a lot like The stupid console wars, even more stupid since we don't have to buy a whole new system, just have to buy the game from another provider, and still people complains.

Smh.

Just give me the fucking game.

 

[r3n4ud]

Shit like this is a lot like The stupid console wars, even more stupid since we don't have to buy a whole new system, just have to buy the game from another provider, and still people complains.

Smh.

Just give me the fucking game.

Read the thread. Please, do.

 

[MUnited83]

Its pretty obvious why they are doing this, why hand over 30% to valve when they already have their own platform. I see more publishers going this route over time.

The only thing they want to do is make more people adopt their store and Win10 in general. The 30% argument isn't a valid one and it doesn't really make any sense. They will still sell the game on every other digital store that exists like GMG, Gamesplance,Funstock, etc,etc. All of those stores take 30% too.

 

[Soren01]

Shit like this is a lot like The stupid console wars, even more stupid since we don't have to buy a whole new system, just have to buy the game from another provider, and still people complains.

Smh.

Just give me the fucking game.

This

 

[viveks86]

As long as I can play it with the Steam controller, I'm ok with this. Question is, can I?

 

[CecilRousso]

Didn't expect anything else.

Now I'm waiting to Microsoft to show me why the Win10 Store is a store I want to use, not just have to use.

Until that, this game is in the $10-15 range for me.

 

[Loris146]

Sell it on gog.

 

[Spirited]

Shit like this is a lot like The stupid console wars, even more stupid since we don't have to buy a whole new system, just have to buy the game from another provider, and still people complains.

Smh.

Just give me the fucking game.

So you haven't read any of the complaints in this thread? Read the title and posted based on it?

 

[Durante]

As long as I can play it with the Steam controller, I'm ok with this. Question is, can I?

No.

 

[Doffen]

That's not quite right. Windows Phone 8 apps are backwards incompatible with Windows Phone 7 (some but not all Windows Phone 7 apps are forwards compatible with 8). Both sets of Windows Phone apps are incompatible with desktop Windows. I believe they're trying to eventually make it to be write-once run-anywhere but it's not there yet.

The publishing site and backend seems very similar too me at least. I'll grant you that Microsoft fucked everyone regarding app development (silverlight + XNA) during Windows Phone 7.

 

[r3n4ud]

As long as I can play it with the Steam controller, I'm ok with this. Question is, can I?

Afraid not cowboy.

 

[bathsalts]

How often have they been updating the windows store thing? By all indications it seems pretty rough with the people playing ROTR through it, has anyone seen what it was like when it launched, worse or just the same?

 

[Nzyme32]

Not saying it wont,but honestly how are any new Steam competitors gonna get off the ground if the notion is like this? Also before you hit me with MS past PC ventures,I'm generally talking about other PC store fronts.

Just take a look at GoG. After taking the time to change from GoodOldGames, they kept working at bringing in newer titles as well as old, and earned a whole lot of trust. For the Witcher 3, they sold more copies on GoG in the first month than they did on Steam

 

[Durante]

How often have they been updating the windows store thing? By all indications it seem pretty rough with the people playing ROTR through it, has anyone seen what it was like when it launched, worse or just the same?

Most of the issues people are having with ROTR on the Windows store are not bugs from MIcrosoft's perspective. They are intended behaviour.

 

[aravuus]

Since this thread isn't really that much about QB anymore, and more about the Win10 Store and its shitty restrictions, maybe the title should be changed or something. I mean, we're still getting misguided posts like this one here

Shit like this is a lot like The stupid console wars, even more stupid since we don't have to buy a whole new system, just have to buy the game from another provider, and still people complains.

Smh.

Just give me the fucking game.

 

[viveks86]

No.

Fuck

I hate you, MS!

Bye

 

[flaxknuckles]

No.

Can you play it with a Dualshock 4 using DS4Windows? Cus if not this kills the Windows Store for me. I'm not buying a xbox one controller when I already have a DS4 and a Steam controller.

 

[Nzyme32]

As long as I can play it with the Steam controller, I'm ok with this. Question is, can I?

You can't, no overlays work with Universal Apps. For RotTR, it won't detect the controller even when setting the binding up before hand and translating the game to a bat file to add to Steam. Yet the Steam version works perfectly

 

[jelly]

The issue with Microsoft is they don't have a problem throwing a service and consumers under a bus and going another clean slate direction. You can easily imagine 5 years down the line, Windows 11, yeah I don't believe 10 forever either because it's only of use to Microsoft for here and now, things change but back to my point, they'll find some way to break something so it's a pain in the ass or not possible to use old apps because look at our new features!

For me download content is always a risk but I can live with it at the right price, reasonable cheap or very cheap so I wouldn't get hung up about loosing access one day.

 

[fantomena]

Nobody reads the thread. Nobody.

MS for PC gaming is as trustable as the Bush family. They fuck up, try to tell they are gonna fix it, fuck up some more and keep coming back and some people still trust them.

 

[Aztechnology]

People have given reason after reason after reason that a Windows 10 Store exclusive "app" is a bad fucking thing.

Maybe learn to read threads you post in.

You obviously didn't read my post very well and interpreted it as you wanted.

I'm not talking about the game only being available on the windows 10 app store, it's trash (for now) I agree. What I'm talking about is the people on windows 7 who refuse to upgrade to 10 for irrational reasons and the people who would see every game available on Steam so no other service can ever get off the ground. The way EA, Microsoft and other publishers are doing this and will going into the future isn't going to change. As PC gaming continues to grow this will be the new norm, the landscape is going to change whether you like it or not.

 

[JaggedSac]

The publishing site and backend seems very similar too me at least. I'll grant you that Microsoft fucked everyone regarding app development (silverlight + XNA) during Windows Phone 7.

Yep. The move from WP7 to WP8 was crap. But at least all W8 apps run under the new W10 app platform.

 

[mcrommert]

How often have they been updating the windows store thing? By all indications it seems pretty rough with the people playing ROTR through it, has anyone seen what it was like when it launched, worse or just the same?

First update took 3 days after steam over a weekend. Steam doesn't approve updates and since they are treating this platform like Xbox it takes an Xbox style approval. Second patch hasn't come yet but it has been less than that so far. Hasn't been any other major games to test. Wish nixxes would speak to this stuff but they cant

 

[MUnited83]

Just take a look at GoG. After taking the time to change from GoodOldGames, they kept working at bringing in newer titles as well as old, and earned a whole lot of trust. For the Witcher 3, they sold more copies on GoG in the first month than they did on Steam

*more keys activated on GOG, not actual direct GOG sales.

 

[tuxfool]

Just take a look at GoG. After taking the time to change from GoodOldGames, they kept working at bringing in newer titles as well as old, and earned a whole lot of trust. For the Witcher 3, they sold more copies on GoG in the first month than they did on Steam

How? Surely they would need some bullshit software platform that was half broken to force people to buy it there?

Could it be that they actually offered meaningful incentives to get people to buy it on GOG?

Nah. People are masochists, they enjoy the stick.

 

[aravuus]

Can you play it with a Dualshock 4 using DS4Windows. Cus if not this kills the Windows Store for me. I'm not buying a xbox one controller when I already have a DS4 and a Steam controller.

Doesn't DS4Windows make it so that your DS4 gets recognized as an Xbox controller, or something similar to that? I'd imagine it would work

 

[BigTnaples]

Not surprised at all, still disappointed somehow.

 

[Doffen]

They certainly didn't under Balmer. The new regime is still young and stupid.

The new regime is active and announcing Xbox games for Windows 10. You seem to be stuck in the past.

 

[viveks86]

You can't, no overlays work with Universal Apps.

Not even desktop mode?! Grrr

 

[ProfessorMoran]

They really do care about PC gaming.

They care about w10 store.

 

[Spaghetti]

[...] Microsoft to show me why the Win10 Store is a store I want to use, not just have to use.

This sums it up really well.

What's the incentive to use the Windows 10 Store besides the fact they're gating games behind it? Why should PC gamers have to accept a lack of standards they've come to expect? They're trying to push the Windows 10 Store through software alone like they would try selling a console, and that's clearly not how the market works on PC.

 

[Tealmann]

I'd just like to point out for anyone complaining about lack of overlay support, vsync, fullscreen, etc, that Microsoft does actually listen to posts on the Windows Feedback app.
So if they're as serious about PC gaming as they claim to be, they'll fix these problems, if you tell them about them.
Anyone with a Windows 10 computer, click the Start menu, scroll down to "Windows Feedback", click the link on the left that says "Apps and Games" and click either Store, Xbox, or if you have a game installed you can click on it's name.
Make posts asking for better support and be sure to upvote other posts asking the same.

 

[fantomena]

The new regime is active and announcing Xbox games for Windows 10. You seem to be stuck in the past.

The old regime relased Halo 1,2 and Gears on on their PC store. People bought and then the old regime fucked up and now a new regime is here.

Circle of life.

 

[Nzyme32]

*more keys activated on GOG, not actual direct GOG sales.

Oh yeah very good point. Though still, it shows that a platform can form and compete inspite of Steam being involved

 

[mcrommert]

You can't, no overlays work with Universal Apps. For RotTR, it won't detect the controller even when setting the binding up before hand and translating the game to a bat file to add to Steam. Yet the Steam version works perfectly

Dxtory works at least for fps counter

 

[Atraveller]

Oh, the Windows Tablet App Store is getting products designed for desktop PCs now? Cool, get back to me in about five years if it hasn't been deleted or repurposed and I'll consider tying software purchases to it.

Thank you!

 

[tuxfool]

The new regime is active and announcing Xbox games for Windows 10. You seem to be stuck in the past.

And still making GFWL-like decisions.

 

[jaypah]

Unless you have a weird definition of the word "reading", no, you didn't.



Try to go and download your GFWL games. There's zero reason to trust MS and their digital stores after that shit.

Clearly what you did wasn't reading...

Are you sure you actually read anything?

Which thread did you read, care to link?

If you're going to shitpost anyways you can be honest about that. Don't hold back.

To be fair there were posts that basically amounted to "no Steam? Fuck off". That would pretty much sum up "some people feel entitled". Maybe the word "some" wasn't in there originally but if someone says no Steam no sale without any further clarification then that's all we can work with. I understand why some people don't trust MS. I understand why some people will shun the Win10 store because of a basic lack of functionality with their sandboxed approach. Those are all valid points and I fully respect anyone who feels that way.

Another thing that I don't understand is the need to fight or argue with people who don't want to support this latest MS PC approach. For example, I will be buying QB and KI. It's my money, I do what I please with it. Durante or Tuxfool have a different idea of what to do with THEIR money. Who fucking cares? Why engage or try to force them to care about MS and their PC plans? They obviously aren't going to change their minds any more than them explaining their stance is going to stop me from buying Quantum Break or KI so what's the point in putting so much effort into defending MS's PC practices? It creates needless drama imo.

 

[JumpCancel]

Yeah, still not seeing the issue. I get that there are major problems with the Windows 10 store at the moment, but you also need to realise that their a company trying to build a service. If Quantum Break suffers because of this, then they may re-think things, but let's see how this all pans out first.

I don't think people are failing to understand why they're doing it. We just don't like it it, and we don't have to.

Spoiler

People don't read threads anymore.

 

[tuxfool]

You obviously didn't read my post very well and interpreted it as you wanted.

Given that you wrote but a sentence, gave him a wide berth to interpret your vague sentiment any way he chose, especially in light with you Steam comment, which isn't the issue at all.

 

[Doffen]

The old regime relased Halo 1,2 and Gears on on their PC store. People bought and then the old regime fucked up and now a new regime is here.

Circle of life.

You sure they released Halo on Games for Windows Marketplace?

 

[MUnited83]

You obviously didn't read my post very well and interpreted it as you wanted.

I'm not talking about the game only being available on the windows 10 app store, it's trash (for now) I agree. What I'm talking about is the people on windows 7 who refuse to upgrade to 10 for irrational reasons and the people who would see every game available on Steam so no other service can ever get off the ground. The way EA, Microsoft and other publishers are doing this and will going into the future isn't going to change. As PC gaming continues to grow this will be the new norm, the landscape is going to change whether you like it or not.

As it stands, there's not many reasons to update to Win10 at all, and considering how many issues it has with several games, I'm not going to do it anytime soon.

You also ignore that none of the other services actually want to "compete". They are just there to wihithhold a couple of exclusives to force people to buy there and nothing more. 99% of the games available in those services are the publisher's own games. They aren't a competing service because they have close to zero third party support. You'd have a point when a service comes up that actually has a objective of getting as many games and options as possible, but so far it's just a couple of publishers holding their own games hostage and nothing else.

 

[Durante]

I don't think people are failing to understand why they're doing it. We just don't like it it, and we don't have to.

Yeah, I understand perfectly well what they are doing.

If anything, that makes it worse.

At least they aren't devious enough (apparently) to phase in the restrictions more gradually.