Headset I believe.
I think the PSVR is the only headset which also outputs to a display.
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Headset I believe.
I think the PSVR is the only headset which also outputs to a display.
Great, thanks
Astral/H3X
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Welp, my bank account is ready.
None of these early headsets will gain anything even resembling
We will know market dominance is at hand when other groups start joining in on the fun. I really doubt Oculus, HTC and Sony will remain the only big VR players.
Or the blu ray for those too young when the dvd launched.
Thats why the PS3 was such a good deal even at $599.
Hale-XF11
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And for those of us who are really old, the VCR!
I agree. LG just announced a phone, the G5, thats modular and comes with a VR headset. I think most of the competition will come from the mobile side.
lol I got so many downvotes on reddit when I said I was gonna start with PSVR, and wait for the rest of the VR options to come down in price. PSVR certainly will not be as good as a high end PC with vive or rift, but the price to get that good experience on PC is huge. After 2 years or so, when new graphics cards are out, when software has improved and SLI is working for VR, then it'll be time for the rest of us to jump in.
Lol, yup. A VCR was priced extremely high when it first launched. Plasma tvs were over 15,000$ when they first came out as well. Now, if u can find one, u can get a 60" for 500-600$ CDN.
tearsintherain
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Honestly the price isn't a big deal for me, under $1k is all relatively the same for me.
For me the bigger issues is who is driving and Valve's participation. The fact that its announced at a mobile conference vs a gaming conference, and that Valve seems pretty muted isn't great.
I want this for gaming and porn (lets be honest). Not for all the industrial/military/medical applications that I'm sure it will be great for.
The fact that HTC seems to be firmly in the drivers seat, chose the worlds premiere mobile conference to announce (vs DICE this week or GameVR next month), and that Valve is pretty mum on its plans with Portal 3 and HL3 all adds up to a lot of disappointment.
The price is not an impact on me personally but the cheaper the price, the more likely more and more games in development will consider adding VR support. Its no fun being the only one with a gadget amongst your friends, you want them all to have it so you can all play together and that seems less likely for the next year or two.
Just the room scale tracking and motion controllers I think
From impressions either the headsets are similar or the vive is less good vs OR
DeepEnigma
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I am mainly looking forward to exploration/educational type software like, being a museum on the other side of the world, or exploring Giza, Machu Picchu, etc.
So I do hope those will make it over. If not, then Oculus/Vive it is down the road for me.
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Laserdiscs too!
Krisprolls
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And nobody will buy it either.
Mhm because first gen VR was really expected to reach a wide mainstream audience....
artsi
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Oculus has a bit of a head start though, through Samsung. Gear VR shipping with both Samsung S6 (at the moment) and S7 preorders. Their brand is not exactly in small print there.
Gear VR is right now being pushed through major mobile carriers and retailers, so at the moment it's closest to mass market reach than any other HMD.
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MrCunningham
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Were people really expecting something that is even more advanced than the Oculus to be cheaper? Considering what you are getting with this device, I would say that $799 isn't really all that bad for a first generation model.
You really have to look at these devices in iterations.
You really have to look at these devices in iterations.
Dreams-Visions
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no, people were anticipating more than this price actually.
after the sticker shock wears off, that seem to be the case, yes.
Can someone explain this one a bit to me? what is the Vive doing to go "all in on the audio side"? For someone like me who is using some top-end headphones and wants to continue using them for VR, does this comment apply to me at all?
This is a lot cheaper than what I expected. I'll be there day one.
I don't understand what the he'll people are talking about this being DNA when it's not even targeted towards them. I have a feeling most of the people talking shit weren't even interested in a premium VR experience to begin with or don't own a pc powerful enough for this or don't even own a PC at all.
Valve even came out and said this isn't for people like that. I don't understand why people are bugging out.
I don't understand what the he'll people are talking about this being DNA when it's not even targeted towards them. I have a feeling most of the people talking shit weren't even interested in a premium VR experience to begin with or don't own a pc powerful enough for this or don't even own a PC at all.
Valve even came out and said this isn't for people like that. I don't understand why people are bugging out.
Owning VR on PC will really be a question for super-enthousiasts at launch. Even with the right PC at hand, there is no way I would spend more than 700 EUR for one of the tech here without knowing what will become prevalent on the market and which one would show the most issues-inconveniences in the long run. Especially as both will probably be replaced by newer versions or competition within 2 years (that's a guess, mind you).
Curious to see what PSVR will bring to the table in term of price and market persistence, but if it's more reasonnable (in my eyes : less than 400 EUR) and shows good promises to have more than 2 years of active market presence, it might actually by first consumer VR headset to see the tide coming to make a later investment on PC, when the dust has settled.
Curious to see what PSVR will bring to the table in term of price and market persistence, but if it's more reasonnable (in my eyes : less than 400 EUR) and shows good promises to have more than 2 years of active market presence, it might actually by first consumer VR headset to see the tide coming to make a later investment on PC, when the dust has settled.
Others will join in when it becomes profitable for them. I'm really surprised there are companies like HTC willing to join in the early adopter phase at these price points. Some of the companies will not come out of this unscathed and my guess is HTC is going to suffer the most out of this. One of the big deciding factors on this though will how fast companies can get that price down to be affordable for average consumers. I keep seeing it repeated in here that people don't realize how much the tech is and shouldn't slam the price point. The thing is, regardless if they understand or not it doesn't matter. They may simply not have the much money to spend, some people save for months to get a $300 console, how do you rationalize a $800 headset that still requires other hardware to even use? Enthusiast and early adopters want to see this price drop because thats when it will really take off and thats when you will see more game development for it.
This is an ok comparison but also remember what the biggest deciding factor in that, and really the previous advancements like DVD, HD tvs, etc. Content, content, content. This can be a little more tricky in this situation where with bluray/dvd the movies were already there to begin with. There are games too but they need a bit more tweaking for VR and for VR to really take off its going to need content specifically tailored for it to show it as a need for gamers to pick up.
Another point that may be similarly important is porn. Porn helped some to decide format wars and helped DVD. People may not want to talk about it and make fun of the japanese videos showing off simulators but lets not fool ourselves and pretend that it wouldn't help with VR adoption. Casual gamers and average consumers may not drop $500 for a bulky dumb looking headset to play games, but if they could experience porn in whole new ways, well then.
The Dutch Slayer
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Good price for the tech, most people who says its high have no idea how much tech cost and or how good this tech is.
I'll get one this year
I'll get one this year
It's been said, but vive comes with the complete package and won't divide the user base. It was the better move.
To the uninformed consumer though, if sony can pull off having ps4+psvr for less than the rift alone it would look really good for them.
We really need to see the launch titles though.
To the uninformed consumer though, if sony can pull off having ps4+psvr for less than the rift alone it would look really good for them.
We really need to see the launch titles though.
as seen by the countless system war threads.
MickeyKnox
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Was expecting around 1k or 900.
Now I just need a clearer look at the software lineup to decide which one to get first.
Now I just need a clearer look at the software lineup to decide which one to get first.
Yup, this is same exact price many of us were expecting for the Vive. I will skip the first generation of the Vive cause of price mainly but will definitely jump on the full room scale tracking train once it really matures with later iterations and software.
I think that this $800 Vive is still a better value than the $600 Oculus personally. It's the complete package with full room scale tracking which is pretty big.
On another note, Sony should really position themselves to push/penetrate VR in the mainstream market based on price alone. I hope they are aggressive as hell with it cause that would be the best outcome for everyone.
I think that this $800 Vive is still a better value than the $600 Oculus personally. It's the complete package with full room scale tracking which is pretty big.
On another note, Sony should really position themselves to push/penetrate VR in the mainstream market based on price alone. I hope they are aggressive as hell with it cause that would be the best outcome for everyone.
artsi
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We'll know what the ultimate difference is later, but with current information Oculus has just invested more in their audio solution as a whole. A good DAC that is optimized for their audio SDK, pretty good quality headphones (not $300 but around $150 - $200 ones according to Palmer) and they're really pushing binaural audio.
Vive comes with standard earbuds and seems more like a "me too" than a long thought feature.
Your headphones will work with both, but won't integrate to the Oculus DAC and some SDK features might be left out, won't know what they are yet.
MrCunningham
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You would not know that looking at the first page of this thread.
Honestly it's not bad given how much comes with the device. I really expect to see a trickle down effect with these devices, the first generation models of Oculus VR and the HTC Vive are going to be targeted at Enthusiast PC gamers, but I could see these models two years down the line being re-branded for middle tier gaming machines at a considerable price drop while the higher end models take their place at the same price points.
Succinct Verbosity
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I would probably thinka bout paying for it if there were some killer apps, but I haven't seen anything for me yet. I guess I'll wait a little longer for the games to come, and by the time they do the technology may be priced low enough to be reasonable to the masses.
This thread is incredible.. Not even the simplest technical details can arrive without it being somehow twisted toward something "Sony"..
The DK1 had it 3 years ago, the DK2 had it, the OR CV1 will have it, the Vive will have it, they will most likely all have it.
How is it even possible to come to the conclusion that only PSVR will have monitor output?
exmachina64
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Too rich for my blood.
Turbowaffles
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I'm out.
Honestly though, I hope VR is successful so I can jump in down the road at a reasonable price.
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My dreams of affordable PC VR are crushed :/
Oculus dev kits prices really spoiled me.
Oculus dev kits prices really spoiled me.
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Dreams-Visions
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I was thinking the same. They're clearly getting their results in a very different manner here.
Also, has there been any updates about the screen dooring people were complaining about in the Vive beta hardware?
how does the resolution compare to the OR? is 2160x1200 @ 90 good/bad/comparable?
oh i see. I plan on using my $1,000 headphones and external DAC regardless of included options so I guess either will give me the same audio experience. maybe. I guess we'll see. lol
I figured it would come in around a thousand, so that's pretty decent. Now I'll just wait a bit to see which one I want. I'm surprised by all the console nonsense in this thread. PSVR was never on my radar and wouldn't be even if could be rigged to work on a PC. I have a hard time believing that anyone that wants PC vr would settle for console vr, especially motivated by price.
Seems like we'll be waiting till the 2nd/3rd generation for affordable PC VR. It'll be worth it though. Must.not.give.in.
The Vive and the Rift are only two out of a landslide of coming VR solutions on PC.
Vive and the Rift are always going to be the optional premium solutions. There will be plenty more, and affordable, especially after the first gen.
Visualante2
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The ASMR lover in me is very drawn to this aspect.
People know shockingly little about VR considering its been the most open development platform for games in a long time. There are fucking streamers just streaming in progress builds of Vive games all the time!
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