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Street Fighter V |OT2| Another Fight Isn't Coming Your Way!
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Yeah. That's not Vega's F+HP though. I tried parry'ing, he retracts it so fast I wasn't able to punish. Charged HP also doesn't do the trick, got CC'd out of it a lot.
Spent a few minutes compiling the top 500 players win rate matches via http://sfv.fightinggame.community/
and made a rough tier list based on it here
To understand this, I pretty much made a list of winRates and excel'd them for all character matchups. I then summed matchup points to get a tier list and ordered it in descending Tier order starting with the highest, working my way down. It's based off the 10 point scale matchup, although I'm off by 0.1 on the 10 point scale, because of rounding which is happening behind the scenes on the community website. (For example, Dhalsim vs Birdie is a 5.5-4.4 matchup in Dhalsim's favor, 5.5+4.4 = 9.9 not 10 like it's supposed to be) So you can look up matchups based on your character VS another, based on the top 500.
I'm sure it's better than Eventhubs' tier list (popularity contest/current flavor of the month) as this is based on actual online matches and results. The problem is, there is never enough data AND the popularity of characters skews the results (Sim is not popular, but there a few very good Sim players beating everyone and Ryu I can say is not bottom tier, but because everyone is using him and losing with him, it makes his winRate low.) so as always take with a grain of salt. I can say for sure, the popularity of the top 500 characters can't be wrong with Ryu/Nash being most popular and Fang/Zangief at the bottom.
and made a rough tier list based on it here
To understand this, I pretty much made a list of winRates and excel'd them for all character matchups. I then summed matchup points to get a tier list and ordered it in descending Tier order starting with the highest, working my way down. It's based off the 10 point scale matchup, although I'm off by 0.1 on the 10 point scale, because of rounding which is happening behind the scenes on the community website. (For example, Dhalsim vs Birdie is a 5.5-4.4 matchup in Dhalsim's favor, 5.5+4.4 = 9.9 not 10 like it's supposed to be) So you can look up matchups based on your character VS another, based on the top 500.
I'm sure it's better than Eventhubs' tier list (popularity contest/current flavor of the month) as this is based on actual online matches and results. The problem is, there is never enough data AND the popularity of characters skews the results (Sim is not popular, but there a few very good Sim players beating everyone and Ryu I can say is not bottom tier, but because everyone is using him and losing with him, it makes his winRate low.) so as always take with a grain of salt. I can say for sure, the popularity of the top 500 characters can't be wrong with Ryu/Nash being most popular and Fang/Zangief at the bottom.
skLaFarebear
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You guys are bad Karin's. Ex qcb p is an amazing AA, qcb k travels far and compliments combos, qcf b xx p will pass through projectiles and launch, which can lead into a EX qcb p for good damage.
But you know,is rather tempting as well.
I'm not a Karin main tho
"God's Beard!"
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Vega probably isn't top tier. He's a mostly defensive character with below average anti airs, no invincible move and a v-reversal that doesn't help him escape corner pressure. sMP is a dominant footsie tool and he has the best walk speed in the game, but he's not oppressive.
SolarPowered
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";197242781]Vega probably isn't top tier. He's a mostly defensive character with below average anti airs, no invincible move and a v-reversal that doesn't help him escape corner pressure. sMP is a dominant footsie tool and he has the best walk speed in the game, but he's not oppressive.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he's definitely not top tier, but he is pretty objectively speaking and online he will probably be top tier because mediocre players have a rough time with his constant zipping around. It would be hard to simplify the character more than they have already with the quarter circle motion changes too.
Yeah, he's definitely not top tier, but he is pretty objectively speaking and online he will probably be top tier because mediocre players have a rough time with his constant zipping around. It would be hard to simplify the character more than they have already with the quarter circle motion changes too.
Omnistalgic
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Whatever happens I just hope Capcom sticks to there guns and not nerf cbsracters so much but buff them. No one is broken seemingly, whoever is weak just needs buff tweaks.
Nice starting point though, I'd say atm, it feels like you can win with everyone with the hardest being Zangief.
Nice starting point though, I'd say atm, it feels like you can win with everyone with the hardest being Zangief.
You guys are bad Karin's. Ex qcb p is an amazing AA, qcb k travels far and compliments combos, qcf b xx p will pass through projectiles and launch, which can lead into a EX qcb p for good damage.
But you know,is rather tempting as well.
EX Ressenha (the uppercut) is a good anti-air, but s.hp is a terrific anti-air against all characters except Bison and you get a mix-up after it, so I wouldn't use the meter that way. At weird angles I don't think st.hp would work, I'd almost prefer to command dash underneath them than use the bar.
EX Orochi (the shoulder) is neccessary for damage and positioning. It's one bar. Once you have the corner, I would rather build her CA.
Her CA gives you access to like 350-400 damage with any hit. It's definitely worth it to save bar at times.
Finally got my name in after all the 502 errors. I'm 51% with Karin and 63% with Rashid, but all those Rashid wins were at launch when nobody knew what they were doing, especially me.
I'm 12-2 against Ken, haha
I guess this only counts ranked because I did a whole mess of casuals with Mika and Zangief and there are no records there.
I'm 12-2 against Ken, haha
I guess this only counts ranked because I did a whole mess of casuals with Mika and Zangief and there are no records there.
ThatCrazyGuy
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How are you guys getting that sfvcommunity site to load? Keep getting bad gateway message.
F5 x10000, it keeps going on and off because of people like us lol
TriAceJP
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I have absolutely no luck with sHP as an anti-air, I may need someone to show me how to use it.
I agree that using her CA is not a wasted effort, but saying the EX attacks are useless just isn't true.
Reizo Ryuu
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";197242781]Vega probably isn't top tier. He's a mostly defensive character with below average anti airs, no invincible move and a v-reversal that doesn't help him escape corner pressure. sMP is a dominant footsie tool and he has the best walk speed in the game, but he's not oppressive.[/QUOTE]
Vega is so fast with so much spacing though, also v-trigger into super? Yes please.
Vega is so fast with so much spacing though, also v-trigger into super? Yes please.
I think the problem is I don't really know what my gameplan is at all against her. She just fuckin scares me man I have no real idea why. I feel like most of my matches against Karin consist of just blocking and hoping she throws out something punishable (which isn't often). Not throwing fireballs. Not using my pokes. Nothing It's just like all in my head. She's the only character that does that to me. I just feel really scared of her options.
SolarPowered
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LOL
Being a reversal doesn't make it an automatic shoe-in for best EX move in the game. Other DPs are far better than it at getting the same thing done vertically and horizontally.
He has two doesn't he?
CrackpotDesert
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Birdie's is pretty bad
Vega is deff top tier.
No, its one of the best. Lets him punish stuff no one else can.
No, its one of the best. Lets him punish stuff no one else can.
ãInaba Residentã
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Yep. Forgot who I tested it with, but its definitely possible for some characters.
What are you spending it on then? EX uppercut in the corner for damage ok, but what else?
St.HP loses to all sorts of jump-ins...
It's literally one of the best reversals in the game. 5 frame start-up with invincibility.
The only thing keeping it worse than, say, Shoryuken is the vertical hitbox. They can bait it out with a good neutral jump and get a CC combo in.
I'm not sure why the site doesn't just crawl all current players and instead relies on people basically asking for information in order for it to populate its datasets. Who even made this?
Dark Ninja
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Yeah EX is Ressenha is Kohken(sp?) its a great anti air very useful. Some of the characters jump in arcs are too awkward for Karin's regular anti-airs.
Ouch, that is brutal. Sucks.
zedreamcast
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Id like to main Rashid until Alex drops, any advice with him?
Yeah, people have. Some dude did it with Ken just spamming his dp over and over.
Whiff punish or stick a normal out to beat it before it becomes active. Also if he's close enough you can actually spd his recline because his hitbox is extended. But he won't be that close most of the time. Parry didn't get me much when I tried either.
I never feel like I can get any solid fireball game going on her with Nash. Probably one of the reasons she scares me.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
If you screw up with Sim's gameplan at all, it's really hard to extract yourself. Compare that to someone with an invincible reversal option, and they all seem far more attractive.
In the corner for one bar you can do ex upper after double tenko's. For 2 you can do qcb lk followed by ex tenko, ex upper. Midscreen I don't do 1 bar's really. For 2 after tenko I do qcb lk, ex tenko, ex orochi. They aren't the easiest thing to do though so you gotta lab em up.
Easier 2 bar in the corner is tenko launcher, ex tenko, ex upper. Easier 2 bar midscreen after tenko is ex tenko, ex shoulder also. Think you lose out maybe 30 damage but still get good stun.
I tried doing it with Canon spike, it doesnt work for me nearly as much as it did for him.
You can low profile it. Birdie's diving headbutt is a fantastic answer to try and bait it.
I haven't actually seen that yet, but it's something to look out for.
But Gief is popular, he was in Wreck it Ralph.
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