Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)

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vicissitudes said:
Yup. Hillary winning Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, Tennessee, Virginia, and Texas are pretty useless for the general. Those states are solid blue and would have gone Democratic anyway.

Wait, what?
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I think the point was that those states will never be blue. It doesn't matter how big she wins there, she's going to lose them in the general.
 
minor effort said:
I don't think it'll be Cory Booker. NJ is a reliably blue state, but with a Republican governor. If they pluck him from the Senate, Christie gets to replace him with a GOP senator. I like Cory Booker, but that might not work.
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Oh, I agree. That's what I'm saying, I don't think he should (or wants) a VP spot. He needs to stay in the Senate to chalk up more experience, but he does need to start positioning himself more into the spotlight come Convention time to start the grooming process for his Presidential run. I think a Corey Booker address at the DNC is a given.

superdeluxe said:
What a cabinet position?
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If I were Corey Booker I'd probably wait until Clinton's second term before taking a Cabinet position.
 
The Albatross said:
I don't think Sanders should drop out, but when Hillary is pushed to the left ("better places") by a candidate who will almost surely lose, that makes her more vulnerable in the general election when her campaign has to push back to the center.

Beyond that, though, it's considered politically ... impolite in a primary to split your campaign donations. If Sanders relented and ended his campaign, then a strong portion of the donations that his campaign would be getting between now and July would go to the CLinton campaign, giving her a more effective national campaign.

Likewise with volunteers. A solid portion of Bernie's volunteers would volunteer for Clinton.

That said I'm not encouraging Bernie to drop out in any way, but that's part of the mentality.
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And for most non-Clinton nominees this would all be true, but I think there are some nuances here.

Going toward the center may not actually really help her. She is most likely better off adopting a less aggressive version of Cruz's strategy to make sure she retains as many of Bernie's supporters as possible. A lot of them are young and will be heavily demoralized by his defeat.
 
boiled goose said:
I think it would just give more free media to the GOP.

Seems like it will be Hillary 7 vs Bernie 4....

Not bad.... GAF was predicting a Hillary sweep and Hillary domination. The race is still alive IMO.

Bernie winning NH, Colorado, MN is a good look for the general. Hillary winning the South is meh. Not gonna help in the general.
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Hillary won Virginia one of the most important swing state.
 
Damaniel said:
What reality? She won by well over 100 delegates tonight, will win by more than that over the next two weeks, and has an over 400 superdelegate lead over Bernie. So what if he overperformed in a couple of states?
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So fucking nothing dude. Cut the defensive shit. I never said this means he's winning. Someone said a state was a guaranteed win. I said it wasn't. Is that really a problem?
 
If Bernie Sanders cannot increase his national support and replicate his wide margins in Minnesota and Colorado, then he's out. I really don't think he has much hope of becoming our nominee, but he's doing much better than I could have expected six months ago.
 
This is really bizarre - apparently the Associated Press called MA for Sanders?

That's according to the NY Times website, but their election results are a bit behind everyone else's... e.g. CNN shows 99% precincts reporting with Hillary winning; N.Y. Times shows 90% reporting but Sanders winning.
 
The delegate math they just laid out on CNN makes a Sanders win seem nearly impossible. I've been hearing that a lot recently, but hadn't really seen it mapped out. Wolf working hard to spin it as a race, though.
 
Just now checking out some results. What's the status so far?

Bernie performing better than expected and Trump performing worse is what it looks like from here.
 
Brainfreeze said:
Honest question.

What would be the benefit of Sanders dropping out right now? Every thread we have people reiterating that he's hopeless, should just give up, drop out, it's impossible to win, etc. But what benefit would it have for him, for voters, for democrats, or anyone, if he just dropped out? Aren't we seeing him push Hilary and is democratic peers to better places?

He's never really been focused on attacks, so I don't really think he's hurting Hilary's image in all of this. And even the few things he may get aggressive about, it's not like the socialist's complaints are going to be fuel for the Republicans.

I don't know, I just don't understand why people always talk down to those with hope or enthusiasm for Sanders in these threads. Seems like a positive effect the longer he stays in to me.
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The benefit depends on your perspective. If your desire is a President Hillary Clinton at all costs, then absolutely Bernie should drop out and endorse Hillary. This would unify the Democrats, Hillary wouldn't fight Bernie for donations, and could start focusing on her GOP opposition. That's the viewpoint of most people who say he should drop out are coming from.

Otherwise, I agree. I think this is healthy for the Democratic Party. It's a debate over substantive issues that are important to the base, unlike what's going on in the Republican Party, where you literally have people debating penis/hand size and sweat glands.
 
Alcander said:
The delegate math they just laid out on CNN makes a Sanders win seem nearly impossible. I've been hearing that a lot recently, but hadn't really seen it mapped out. Wolf working hard to spin it as a race, though.
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Won't anyone thinking of the poor ratings?
 
Bernie wins Massachusetts!

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Wait, what?
 
Alcander said:
The delegate math they just laid out on CNN makes a Sanders win seem nearly impossible. I've been hearing that a lot recently, but hadn't really seen it mapped out. Wolf working hard to spin it as a race, though.
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Need to give people a reason to watch and keep people interested.
 
Alcander said:
The delegate math they just laid out on CNN makes a Sanders win seem nearly impossible. I've been hearing that a lot recently, but hadn't really seen it mapped out. Wolf working hard to spin it as a race, though.
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The race is basically over. However, it looks close when people aren't aware of delegate math. A lot of people aren't. It's also good for CNN if people think it's close.
 
Alcander said:
The delegate math they just laid out on CNN makes a Sanders win seem nearly impossible. I've been hearing that a lot recently, but hadn't really seen it mapped out. Wolf working hard to spin it as a race, though.
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Wolf was working that tip like a mofo. Horserace pls pls can we flip idaho??
 
This Super Tuesday wasn't as fun as 2008. Actually, the anticipation was more fun than anything else. Cruz won two of his five or six "firewall states," Rubio will only win a state or two, neither of them big delegate gets, and Trump stays on target to hit 1,237 straight up. I'm hoping Kasich can win in VT just so he can claim a victory and be emboldened to stay in, but yeah, there wasn't enough craziness tonight.
 
giga said:
Why is this a talking point? Do you guys think you can win general elections with just the white vote?
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It's one of the weirdest talking points around.


"Oh no, all these people from states that unfortunately do not get a direct say on the GE *DO* get a direct say on the primaries and help choose the president! What shall we do!"
 
giga said:
Why is this a talking point? Do you guys think you can win general elections with just the white vote?
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I was just clarifying what Goose was trying to get across.

Honestly, I think the Republican party is about to implode on itself and the Democrats could run a lizard and still win.
 
Ashodin said:
NY Times has it predicted for Sanders as well
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In Massachusetts, we think Hillary Clinton is up by around 2 points.
We last updated our guess at 11:35 PM ET with 90% precincts reporting and 1,087,710 votes counted.

Are we looking at the same page?
 
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