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[SJRB]

Ma and Pa Kent are especially rancid in this.

I said this in the review thread but I genuinely thought they were either mentally handicapped, had a stroke or suffered some other mental ailment.

When Lois brings Clark to them and pa Kent looks at her and says "...lady, is he going to be alright?" I thought "this guy has lost his fucking marbles".

 

[DirtInUrEye]

I said this in the review thread but I genuinely thought they were either mentally handicapped, had a stroke or suffered some other mental ailment.

When Lois brings Clark to them and pa Kent looks at her and says "...lady, is he going to be alright?" I thought "this guy has lost his fucking marbles".

Jesus Christ yeah that was bad.

 

[EviLore]

I said this in the review thread but I genuinely thought they were either mentally handicapped, had a stroke or suffered some other mental ailment.

When Lois brings Clark to them and pa Kent looks at her and says "...lady, is he going to be alright?" I thought "this guy has lost his fucking marbles".

Like Bradley Cooper playing Chris Kyle in American Sniper as if he's a mentally disabled simpleton, "uhhh jus like tuh shoot dem guns an uh do mah job." Then you see Chris Kyle doing interviews IRL and he's a totally normal guy.

 

[Chiggs]

Watched it Friday night and thought it was kind of a mess. I did enjoy Lex's prison...but that's about it.

Zack Snyder wasn't perfect; he did, however, make better Superman movies.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Tbh I thought Cooper looked a bit special as Superman's dad as well.

 

[Fbh]

Well that pretty much sucked.

With it being James Gun I went into it expecting a more lighthearted tone, but this straight up felt like it was written as a cartoon.
I know it's a weird comparison but it went into the territory of why I think live action anime adaptations usually don't work, because often times the characters, events and writing that work in animated format just feels awkward, unrelatable and cringy if you try to translate them 1:1 into live action.

That's the feeling I got from this. Not only in the way the characters are written and the ridiculous story beats and developments that are too extensive to mention here, but also in a lot of smaller elements that add up like how crowds react to the city being attacked by a giant monster, the way the Kent parents are portrayed as "simpletons" in such an exaggerated manner they come across as mentally challenged, to how the invasion of a country is literally portrayed as a few tanks and soldiers smashing a wired fence and advancing in on a scruffy looking, ethnically diverse but ambiguous group of men, women and children holding sticks and stones.
I'm not opposed to a more lighthearted take on Superman, but I think it should at least be grounded in some sense of reality, while this just felt like cartoon characters doing cartoony things in a cartoony world.

My one positive take is that I thought the cast was pretty good. Everyone seems to be doing the best they can with what they are given, and I could see a better written Superman movie working with many of these actors.

 

[VulcanRaven]

I said this in the review thread but I genuinely thought they were either mentally handicapped, had a stroke or suffered some other mental ailment.

When Lois brings Clark to them and pa Kent looks at her and says "...lady, is he going to be alright?" I thought "this guy has lost his fucking marbles".

Maybe they haven't seen Clark get hurt like that before. I would be very worried seeing him in that condition.

 

[Doom85]

Maybe they haven't seen Clark get hurt like that before. I would be very worried seeing him in that condition.

Oh come on, don't you know. If you see your own son in pain and his skin is looking very fucked up, well, showing concern and emotions over that makes you "mentally handicapped".

 

[fallingdove]

This is a translation of my review which was in French (because I'm way too lazy to rewrite everything) so sorry if some of the wording is imperfect.


James Gunn, known for his Guardians of the Galaxy films and their irreverent tone, attempted to reinvent Superman for the DCU. The result? A film that's Superman in name only. A chaotic mosaic of Gunn's personal delusions, a poorly stitched film that betrays the essence of the character while getting bogged down in lazy writing, mediocre direction, and aberrant narrative choices.

This Superman isn't an ode to the Man of Steel, but a playground for Gunn's eccentricities. The film seems to want to tick all the boxes of his filmography: slapstick humor, garish colors, absurd supporting characters, and an obsession with pop culture references that stifle the mythos. Rather than building a coherent story around Kal-El, Gunn imposes his usual narrative tics, transforming Superman into an avatar of Star-Lord in a blue and red suit. The scenes flow like a jumbled playlist: a battle against a soulless CGI monster, a clumsy joke about Krypto, a botched romantic subplot. It feels like a mash-up of Guardians and The Suicide Squad, without the slightest attempt to capture what makes Superman unique: his transcendent humanity and his role as a symbol of hope. Well, yes! Superman himself makes it all clear at the end with a speech of appalling impoverishment.

The writing, by the way, is a disaster. A patchwork of clichés and simplistic tactics that disregards the viewer's intelligence. The script (written by Gunn alone) is a narrative disaster. The supporting characters (Hawkman, Green Lantern, etc.) are introduced without context, like disposable cameos to pad out a DC universe that already seems overcrowded. The film tries to do everything without ever delving into anything. The dialogue oscillates between banal and downright awkward, sounding like it's straight out of a Saturday morning cartoon. And not the good kind, I might add. When compared to works like All-Star Superman, where every challenge is solved by Clark's intelligence and determination, it becomes aberrantly dull and lazy. Superman himself, supposed to be eloquent and inspiring, is reduced to generic tirades about hope interrupted by awkward jokes.

The Kents, Superman's emotional pillars in the comics, are reduced to pathetic caricatures. Jonathan and Martha are portrayed as simplistic farmers, almost comical in their naiveté. Their roles are limited to platitudes like "Be nice, Clark" or scenes where they seem overwhelmed by the slightest situation. Where is the Kents' down-to-earth wisdom that anchors Clark in his humanity? Gunn transforms them into stereotypical betas incapable of offering Clark a credible moral compass. This choice betrays the essence of the Kents, who in All-Star Superman and Superman: For All Seasons are loving authority figures, guiding Clark with strength and dignity.

Turning Jor-El and Lara into Kryptonian supremacists is a mind-bogglingly stupid idea. In the comics, Clark's biological parents are visionary scientists who sent their son to Earth to preserve Krypton's legacy and provide humanity with a protector. Here, Gunn portrays them as elitists convinced of the superiority of their race, manipulating Clark via moralizing holograms in the Fortress of Solitude. This rewrite is not only insulting to the lore, but it undermines Superman's fundamental duality: a man torn between two worlds but guided by the universal love of his two families. Making them supremacists gives the impression that Clark must reject his Kryptonian heritage, which contradicts everything the character stands for. It's a betrayal of the myth that deprives Superman of his innate nobility.

And yet, in form, the film seems to pay homage to the comics. But this fidelity is purely cosmetic because, deep down, Gunn doesn't understand Superman at all. The character isn't just a powerful hero; he's a symbol of absolute hope, an outsider who chooses humanity despite its imperfections (hello Superman - Peace on Earth). Gunn renders him banal, hesitant, almost parodic. Where All-Star Superman celebrates Kal-El's greatness through selfless acts, this film drowns him in clumsy cynicism, transforming him into just another generic superhero. Gunn's Superman doesn't inspire; he entertains like a filler episode of a Netflix series.

And everything about this film feels rushed, as if Gunn wanted to condense an entire DCU arc into 130 minutes. Action scenes flow without pause, introspective moments are dispatched in a few lines of dialogue, and relationships (especially Clark/Lois) lack development. This frenetic pace prevents the viewer from becoming attached to the characters or feeling any sense of stakes. Compared to Man of Steel, which took the time to build Clark's quest for identity, this Superman movie feels like a TikTok video: flashy, loud, but terribly empty...
The tone of the film itself is a disaster, oscillating between slapstick comedy and poorly executed drama. The stakes are sometimes very serious, but everything is immediately undermined by a crappy joke (hee hee, Justice Gang, working name, we're really laughing our heads off, James). Lex Luthor, supposed to be a Machiavellian genius, alternates between Shakespearean monologues and childish tantrums. This mix creates cognitive dissonance because the film aims to be light and profound, but fails on both counts, leaving us completely perplexed by what the film is trying to convey.

Lex, by the way. His plan, if you can call it that, is the height of absurdity. Nicholas Hoult is stuck in a caricatured role where Luthor orchestrates a convoluted plot involving apes that "rage-tweet" from a parallel dimension (seriously?). This plan, supposed to discredit Superman, rests on gaping inconsistencies: why does a genius like Luthor rely on such unstable technology? And above all, how is he foiled by an ex-girlfriend who, by pure coincidence, has compromising selfies taken in his secret lab? This resolution is insultingly lazy, worthy of a cheap soap opera. Luthor is a calculating manipulator, not a buffoon trapped by a rom-com cliché.

Gunn's direction is disconcertingly flat. The action scenes, while generous, are drowned in a deluge of CGI. The fights recall the worst excesses of Whedon's Justice League, with unnecessary explosions and clumsy slow motion. Gunn's B-movie-inspired art direction veers into unintentional kitsch with saturated colors that assault the eyes, cardboard sets, and a Fortress of Solitude that resembles an IKEA showroom. Even the music, crucial for a Superman movie, is generic, with no memorable theme aside from Mr. Elfman's. But here too, he couldn't resist butchering it on electric guitar. Gunn seems unable to transcend his television style, delivering a film that lacks the cinematic breadth the Man of Steel deserves.
In addition to the points mentioned, the film fails to give Superman a unique aura. In Kingdom Come or Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Superman is a near-godlike figure, a moral beacon in a chaotic world. Here, he's relegated to the status of an unremarkable metahuman, surrounded by useless supporting characters who steal the show. The DCU universe, which this film is supposed to relaunch, already seems overloaded with references to other heroes carelessly thrown in like a crossover draft. The treatment of Krypto (even though, in my opinion, he has no place in a Superman movie, or at least not as an introduction) is over the top. How many times do we have to see Superman saved by his pet?

One of the most aberrant aspects of James Gunn's Superman is the treatment of Clark's temper tantrums, particularly his explosive reaction to the #Supershit hashtag that goes viral in the film. These outbursts of rage are not only narratively clumsy, but they fundamentally betray the moral values and emotional control that define the Man of Steel in the comics and faithful interpretations of the character. Superman, as established as early as Action Comics #1 (from 1938, I remind you) and then further developed in stories like Kingdom Come, embodies unwavering moral values: justice, compassion, and absolute self-control. His physical strength is matched only by his mental fortitude, allowing him to overcome provocations without ever losing his dignity. In Gunn's film, Clark's outbursts in the face of #Supershit make him appear petty and immature, as if he's incapable of handling public criticism. Compared to Superman: Up, Up and Away, where his self-doubt is tied to the temporary loss of his powers, which is a tangible issue, this hashtag is ridiculous.

In Superman: Birthright, for example, Jonathan and Martha Kent teach him from a young age to control his powers and emotions, knowing that his strength could cause catastrophes if he lost control. In other comics (I have this one in mind), Jor-El instills in him an ethic of responsibility and restraint via the recordings of the Fortress of Solitude. But in Gunn's film, Clark seems to have forgotten these fundamental lessons. This version of Superman acts like an angry teenager. These tantrums are all the more aberrant because they do not fit into Clark's narrative arc. The film tries to present Superman as a hero in search of legitimacy, but his outbursts of rage occur without a credible emotional buildup. For example, the hashtag scene comes after a mission where Superman saves hundreds of lives, which makes his frustration disproportionate and unjustified. This inconsistency is compounded by the fact that Clark, as a reporter for the Daily Planet, should be used to media criticism. In Superman: The Man of Steel (not the movie, mind you), Clark uses his role as a reporter to understand human perceptions and respond intelligently, not with childish tantrums. Rather than using #Supershit as an opportunity to showcase Superman's resilience, Gunn takes the easy way out by having him break down like a child whose pacifier has been taken away.

The script, for its part, suffers from a frenetic pace that prevents any emotional depth. Key scenes, such as Clark's doubts or his reconciliation with Lois, are dispatched in a few lines, while endless CGI fights take up a disproportionate amount of time. This haste contrasts with the patient structure of Superman: Peace on Earth, for example, where every moment (from inner reflection to heroic acts) is carefully developed. Gunn's film seems to want to fill an action quota at the expense of substance, making moments that were supposed to be poignant (like a confrontation between Clark and Lex) bland and forgettable, in addition to ruining most of them with cheap humor.
And then there's the infamous question of torture, a heated debate. Well, sorry, but I stick to my guns. Everything is explicitly stated in the film, and Clark himself specifies that he warned the President that he would return if he didn't comply. So we have a Superman who kidnaps a human, makes him suffer to make him bend to his will, and we have to pretend everything is fine and normal. Sorry, but it's not.

I'll skip over a lot of aspects like Lois admitting she doesn't believe in their relationship, the innuendos that Clark is just a bad journalist, and the useless characters who only serve as plot devices because I'm just disgusted. As a DC fan, and particularly a Superman fan, I wanted a good movie, and what I got was a subpar soap opera. This second viewing was even more disappointing than the first.

James Gunn's Superman is a disaster, a film that buries the myth under a pile of failed jokes, sloppy writing, and aberrant narrative choices. By transforming the Kents into idiots, Jor-El and Lara into supremacists, and Lex Luthor into a caricature, Gunn proves he doesn't understand what makes fans of the Man of Steel tick. Despite its apparent fidelity to the comics, the film betrays Superman's soul by reducing him to a generic hero in a blockbuster without heart or ambition.

Viewers deserve better. Superman deserves better. 2.5/10

Thoughtful review.

I had written up a multi-page? response about how you were wrong. How you had selectively sourced modern Superman stories to fit your perspective, and how you had neglected important elements of All Star Superman, Man of Tomorrow, and gold/silver age mythos… However, I realized that I had fallen into the same trap that you had — lining up evidences to fit my idea of Superman.

I am a massive fan. As I write this, I sit in front of a wall of mounted gold/silver age Superman comics. As I moved my cursor over the "post" button, I thought about the character that Shuster and Siegel created. A character originally connected to the American dream — that anyone could overcome the destruction of their home, a life a poverty and endless persecution to become something more, something super.

I think GunnSupes is truer to the character than you give it credit, but the great thing about the fragmented history of Superman is that he can be exactly the version of super that you want him to be.

 

[KyoZz]

I think GunnSupes is truer to the character than you give it credit, but the great thing about the fragmented history of Superman is that he can be exactly the version of super that you want him to be.

I understand you POV but as I said this is just not Superman. Him acting like a teenager losing his cool over tweets isn't something I associate with the character, regardless of the version.

Also, Superman letting Lex get destroyed by Krypto wasn't in my bingo

"oh no Krypto, let me whine at you while I stand here doing... nothing". But everything is taken as a joke so I guess it's ok.

Edit: BTW the movie is already out of the worldwide top 5 of iTunes:

Loosing to Karate Kid, The Accountant² and Nobody (the first one, not the new movie lmao) is not something I was expecting.

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[Klosshufvud]

That Krypto assaulting Lex scene is some stuff huh. I guess they were going for an Avengers Hulk Smash moment but it looks so dumb seeing Superman - the embodiment of responsibility and leadership, completely stand powerless as his super powered family dog completely tears up a human. Especially when Superman was in no particular danger there either. It following a scene of Superman crying about how he's just like any other guy on Earth made it even more bizarre.

 

[VulcanRaven]

That Krypto assaulting Lex scene is some stuff huh. I guess they were going for an Avengers Hulk Smash moment but it looks so dumb seeing Superman - the embodiment of responsibility and leadership, completely stand powerless as his super powered family dog completely tears up a human. Especially when Superman was in no particular danger there either. It following a scene of Superman crying about how he's just like any other guy on Earth made it even more bizarre.

Nah it was funny.

 

[Fake]

Nah it was funny.

That was cringe to be honest. But again, cringe is generation z kinda of humor, so no problem.

 

[Doom85]

Good god, there's so much to say at this point, not to mention the numerous things certain individuals are just objectively lying about when it comes to the film (that since it is available digitally and they even said they watched it that way, they have no excuse to not fact check themselves), like claiming Lois says she doesn't believe in their relationship, when she actually said this: "I told you I'm not great at relationships." She's criticizing herself, not him. DUH.

But before we eventually get to all that, now we're honestly crying about Krypto slightly roughing up LEX LUTHOR? The same Lex who tortured Krypto, made it clear he'd kill Krypto once he was done analyzing him, and also shot an innocent civilian in the head? Oh, and opened a dimensional rift just to draw Superman's attention and didn't close it when it was headed to an area that wasn't evacuated yet? That's who the Snyder fanboys want to shed tears for?

Superman can tell his dog wasn't try to kill Lex. Dude got banged up a bit, BOO HOO. If Krypto was actually aiming to kill, yes, Superman would obviously step in, the movie just doesn't pause the action and hold the viewer's hand to slowly explain that to them as opposed to just understanding general character behavior.

Never mind that in BvS, Superman had to hold himself back from heat vision-ing Mark Zuckerberg* POINT BLANK (*oh, I'm sorry, Jesse Eisenberg walking on set and claiming to be playing Lex Luthor, but oh no, it's Hoult who can't play Lex because…Lex got angry like twice in the movie…in moments where Superman and others outplayed him. Like, bruh, even if one doesn't read the comics, even Hackman's Lex could lose his cool). Yeah, pretty sure THAT would be fatal. But remember, it's okay when THEIR Superman does far worse stuff or lets his emotions cloud his judgment. But a Superman who has an argument with his girlfriend (over the Boravia/Jarhanpur situation which makes sense as to Superman saving lives is the most important thing so he would get frustrated if someone tried to argue otherwise no matter what. Him getting upset about the online backlash later in that same scene was because he was already upset, and no, he didn't really yell at her, good god) that they resolve the very next time they meet? Oh no, [sarcasm]Superman could never[/sarcasm].

Christ, their director even was like, "Batman didn't murder those security guards when he was trying to get the kryptonite. He just committed manslaughter". A) WTF, and B) Snyder defended by citing Dark Knight Returns, except Batman doesn't kill anyone in that book. This is clear because a warrant for his arrest happens due to Joker making it look like his death was caused by Batman. Never mind that those guards probably have little, possible zero clue how evil Lex really is, and are just doing their job. But you know, Batman was in a hurry, so fuck them and their loved ones apparently.

For real, it shows how shit Snyder's Batman was in that movie that he managed to make such poor deductive reasoning to reach the point of intending to kill Superman. Meanwhile, in this movie, GUY GARDENER goes, "is Supes out to take over the world? I don't know, probably not." and says the only reason they won't save him is because of the backlash from the government they might face. It's official, Gunn's Guy Gardener's IQ > Zack Snyder's Batman's IQ (had to specify Zack's first name at least once, wouldn't want to imply Scott Snyder, an actual decent Batman and Superman writer, was to blame).

For all the whining about the jokes in the movie, at least Gunn writes his characters capable of behaving like normal human beings.

But you know, clearly we needed more actual reasonable human behavior from the Snyder films:

-dads telling their son first they should reconsider saving children who were going to die (and no, there's no way one can spin that without it being fucked up, especially as he doesn't open his talk by at least congratulating his son on SAVING CHILDREN'S LIVES. Geezus, that's basic parenting right there)
-an overly blue tint to the whole damn film so we know the film is SUPER SERIOUS, YOU GUYS
-Perry White and his team staring at the World Enging horrifically murdering people and getting closer for 15 minutes before Perry finally goes, "oh, uh, we should leave!" (meanwhile, 2025 Perry, Lois, and Jimmy are focused on getting all the details on Eve's exposure of Lex, and Perry knows Lois flew there in Terrific's ship so they can leave easily in time so they don't need to hurry as much. Meanwhile, everyone else around them are evacuating)
-a fucking crater where half of Metropolis used to be (ah yes, Superman comics, promoting hope and optimism, totally represented with such imagery)
-a Superman who is told to inspire people and yet actually doesn't (the military would fight Zod and his genocidal plans anyway obviously, and Perry and Lombard try to save Jenny with zero awareness of Superman at that point) unlike 2025 Superman actually inspiring Guy, Hawkgirl, and the people of Jarhanpur
-Jimmy Olsen being on screen for like a minute and then being shot in the head, just so we've extra, extra convinced the movie is edgy, err, I mean, "dark" (oh, and Snyder claiming Dick Grayson, one of the most beloved DC characters, was the dead Robin. Warner Bros would later override him on that bullshit, with them saying it was Jason Todd, as it should be)
-Lex sending a congresswoman a jar possibly filled with piss (which is followed by a horrific explosion causing many deaths, now THAT'S some actually baffling mood whiplash)
-Batman being too stupid to realize beforehand that the person he's about to murder could have been raised by a human mother (with the moment being delivered in a far more infamous moment than any moment in this new film had no matter how much certain people will desperately wish it so)
-and Superman being too stupid to hand the damn kryptonite spear to Wonder Woman (also, that spear, would have been totally useless for Batman against Superman if his fight with Superman hadn't conveniently brought them near it, LOL).

All resulting in a film that was the live action debut of Superman and Batman (and Wonder Woman) together, during the height of superhero film box office potential (as now international, especially China which is a huge market, just won't give them a chance regardless of quality), and it couldn't clear a billion dollars. Ouch. Only 890 million despite Snyder having all the tools at his disposal and he still couldn't reach that…..and then one year later, Patty Jenkins had only Wonder Woman to use and yet she made 820 million, only 70 million short of the film that also had Batman and Superman, with her film. Huh, I guess it sometimes helps when you make an actual good film.

Oh, and Batman v Superman's second weekend dropoff? Worst in superhero film history of those that opened to 100 million or more on their first weekend, only finally being dethroned in that category when Ant-man 3 released seven years later.

 

[GateofD]

so early, my theatre still has multiple superman showings a day

 

[Klosshufvud]

Doom85 thank you, you're the perfect example of the double standards of fanboys plaguing this genre. The sheer dishonesty and unwillingness about several key plot and character points in BvS all while downplaying the bigger missteps of Starlordman 2025. I'm guessing Gunn can get away with anything so long as it's covered with snarky millenial Whedon-like humor where the movie constantly whiplashes between melodrama to slapstick humor of Justice Gang fighting some massive interdimensional monster played for laughs as Starlordman and Lois share a romantic scene. And these were the fanboys that tore MoS to shreds for Clark kissing Lois after Zod was defeated. If Snyder was this tone deaf, there would most likely be riots.

The way you incoherently jump from out-of-context director quotes, to completely misunderstanding the intent of scenes (the jar of piss wasn't a quip, it shows what a thin-skinned grudgeful person Lex is) to suddenly resorting to box office numbers doesn't do you much favors. It shows you wanting to dump all your precanned arguments at once with no intent of going seriously by it. Also if I was trying to fanboy this reboot up, I wouldn't do so by claiming that a movie which did double at the BO adjusted for today's money is a failure. Now that sort of arguments just makes you look even more hypocritical. Your post is in general a headache to read because of its obvious agenda.

 

[Doom85]

so early, my theatre still has multiple superman showings a day

It's just generally the norm now, Jurassic World Rebirth had an even bigger box office, and its digital release actually came out even sooner than Superman (as Jurassic debuted in theaters a week before Superman, but its digital release was ten days before Superman's digital release).

I mean, the 2023 Mario movie made 1.3 billion at the box office, and yet its digital release was only 41 days after its theatrical release.

 

[Doom85]

Doom85 thank you, you're the perfect example of the double standards of fanboys plaguing this genre. The sheer dishonesty and unwillingness about several key plot and character points in BvS all while downplaying the bigger missteps of Starlordman 2025. I'm guessing Gunn can get away with anything so long as it's covered with snarky millenial Whedon-like humor where the movie constantly whiplashes between melodrama to slapstick humor of Justice Gang fighting some massive interdimensional monster played for laughs as Starlordman and Lois share a romantic scene. And these were the fanboys that tore MoS to shreds for Clark kissing Lois after Zod was defeated. If Snyder was this tone deaf, there would most likely be riots.

The way you incoherently jump from out-of-context director quotes, to completely misunderstanding the intent of scenes (the jar of piss wasn't a quip, it shows what a thin-skinned grudgeful person Lex is) to suddenly resorting to box office numbers doesn't do you much favors. It shows you wanting to dump all your precanned arguments at once with no intent of going seriously by it. Also if I was trying to fanboy this reboot up, I wouldn't do so by claiming that a movie which did double at the BO adjusted for today's money is a failure. Now that sort of arguments just makes you look even more hypocritical. Your post is in general a headache to read because of its obvious agenda.

Batman v Superman actually had a bigger budget than Superman 2025, estimating at 250-325 million, which itself has to be inflated to today's standards (so 345 million to 445 million) and a bigger marketing budget, estimating at 150-165 million, once again, has to be inflated to today's standards (208 million to 226 million).

So at best Batman v Superman cost 553 million after inflation, at worst it cost 671 million after inflation.

Meanwhile, Superman 2025 has an estimated 225 million production budget and a 100-125 million marketing budget.

But yes, I'm the "fanboy", despite me providing inflation to BOTH box office and budgets while you "conveniently" only remembered to inflate the box office.

And of course, you don't name the movie, because that would mean you have to acknowledge the live action film debut of Superman and Batman TOGETHER couldn't even pass a billion. But wait, you're saying Gunn's film should be held to a similar expectation?

Strange, I don't remember Batman being in the 2025 film. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, I mean, he has to be, otherwise your "counter argument" is nonsensical. Be right back, I'll rewatch the film to spot the apparently obvious Batman role.

(returns)

Strange, no Batman to be found…….


But the fact is, good sir, Gunn is already writing the sequel. THAT'S an indisputable fact, no matter how certain people will try to spin it.

So all I see from the Snyder fanboys making posts like yours that are clearly getting more desperate and actually manipulative in how they present their "information":

edit: and yes, no shit, the jar of piss wasn't a "quip", worse, it was a moment that brought unintended laughter from the audience. Sorry that people didn't take a moment of her slowly turning a jar of URINE as the VERY SERIOUS, VERY DRAMATIC moment Snyder wanted us to.

Probably doesn't help Eisenberg's performance was actual dogshit (most of the cast was good to great, just burdened from uneven writing in MoS to actual shit writing in BvS), so you can't take anything seriously from him when he's doing all his bizarre little sound effects like he's that one guy from Police Academy (I guess this is what inspired Jared Leto to make CAT SOUNDS as the Joker the very same year, LOL).

 

[calico]

Bring up BVS. Complain when the reply mentions BVS.

 

[Doom85]

Bring up BVS. Complain when the reply mentions BVS.

That wasn't what I said, IN FACT, I specifically called them out for going out of their way to not specifically name the movie's title (Batman v Superman) in post #66 because they know it hurts their "counter argument" (which involves doing little to nothing actually countering the points I actually made). And I called them out for not providing MORE information on Batman v Superman (in terms of inflation).

Like, you are making this wild claim when my post is LITERALLY the opposite, I clearly was down for going even further into Batman v Superman as it only strengthens what I was saying, while the other poster was tip-toe-ing around certain details of the movie (once again, in what he specifically applied inflation to, and what he "forgot" to apply inflation to) instead of going all in.

Sorry, calico, you're going to have to try harder than whatever that weak "argument" was just now.

 

[calico]

That wasn't what I said, IN FACT, I specifically called them out for going out of their way to not specifically name the movie's title (Batman v Superman) in post #66...

"The sheer dishonesty and unwillingness about several key plot and character points in BvS..."

This post 66?

 

[Doom85]

"The sheer dishonesty and unwillingness about several key plot and character points in BvS..."

This post 66?

Okay, fair enough, I missed the easily missable acronym. CLEARLY that invalidates my entire argument, is what I'm sure you would love to hear given you have to grasp at straws like this.

"Judges, my opponent mispronounced "termite" at one point, therefore I win the debate!" shenanigans going on here.

 

[peish]

No hurry to watch this, but it sounds like a script written for a modern tiktok audience and trying to rehash the dated MCU humor

I cant see how Gunn DCU can survive the super hero fallout if this is his kickoff point

 

[calico]

Okay, fair enough, I missed the easily missable acronym. CLEARLY that invalidates my entire argument, is what I'm sure you would love to hear given you have to grasp at straws like this.

"Judges, my opponent mispronounced "termite" at one point, therefore I win the debate!" shenanigans going on here.

You chose to make his 'not naming BvS' your argument, not me. Presumably you did not accidentally make / mispronounce the argument. If it doesn't matter -the proverbial 'straw' being grasped at- then why introduce the straw in the first place?

As to your broader point about Batman skewing any performance comparison, I agree. Man of Steel makes for a fairer comparison.

 

[Doom85]

You chose to make his 'not naming BvS' your argument, not me.

Says the guy who tried to make this actually ludicrous claim that I was complaining about post #66 bringing Batman v Superman into the argument when my post actually went further into the film, and my actual complaints was that the poster didn't actually say more about the film in regards to inflation.

Regardless, you haven't exactly even made a real counter argument yet anyway. Because you know you can't justify the other poster bringing up inflation for the box office but not the budget for Man of Steel. He was the one who really fucked up, and you know it.

 

[EviLore]

CLEARLY that invalidates my entire argument

Glad you're able to see reason Doom

 

[KyoZz]

Good god, there's so much to say at this point, not to mention the numerous things certain individuals are just objectively lying about when it comes to the film (that since it is available digitally and they even said they watched it that way, they have no excuse to not fact check themselves), like claiming Lois says she doesn't believe in their relationship, when she actually said this: "I told you I'm not great at relationships." She's criticizing herself, not him. DUH.

But before we eventually get to all that, now we're honestly crying about Krypto slightly roughing up LEX LUTHOR? The same Lex who tortured Krypto, made it clear he'd kill Krypto once he was done analyzing him, and also shot an innocent civilian in the head? Oh, and opened a dimensional rift just to draw Superman's attention and didn't close it when it was headed to an area that wasn't evacuated yet? That's who the Snyder fanboys want to shed tears for?

Superman can tell his dog wasn't try to kill Lex. Dude got banged up a bit, BOO HOO. If Krypto was actually aiming to kill, yes, Superman would obviously step in, the movie just doesn't pause the action and hold the viewer's hand to slowly explain that to them as opposed to just understanding general character behavior.

Never mind that in BvS, Superman had to hold himself back from heat vision-ing Mark Zuckerberg* POINT BLANK (*oh, I'm sorry, Jesse Eisenberg walking on set and claiming to be playing Lex Luthor, but oh no, it's Hoult who can't play Lex because…Lex got angry like twice in the movie…in moments where Superman and others outplayed him. Like, bruh, even if one doesn't read the comics, even Hackman's Lex could lose his cool). Yeah, pretty sure THAT would be fatal. But remember, it's okay when THEIR Superman does far worse stuff or lets his emotions cloud his judgment. But a Superman who has an argument with his girlfriend (over the Boravia/Jarhanpur situation which makes sense as to Superman saving lives is the most important thing so he would get frustrated if someone tried to argue otherwise no matter what. Him getting upset about the online backlash later in that same scene was because he was already upset, and no, he didn't really yell at her, good god) that they resolve the very next time they meet? Oh no, [sarcasm]Superman could never[/sarcasm].

Christ, their director even was like, "Batman didn't murder those security guards when he was trying to get the kryptonite. He just committed manslaughter". A) WTF, and B) Snyder defended by citing Dark Knight Returns, except Batman doesn't kill anyone in that book. This is clear because a warrant for his arrest happens due to Joker making it look like his death was caused by Batman. Never mind that those guards probably have little, possible zero clue how evil Lex really is, and are just doing their job. But you know, Batman was in a hurry, so fuck them and their loved ones apparently.

For real, it shows how shit Snyder's Batman was in that movie that he managed to make such poor deductive reasoning to reach the point of intending to kill Superman. Meanwhile, in this movie, GUY GARDENER goes, "is Supes out to take over the world? I don't know, probably not." and says the only reason they won't save him is because of the backlash from the government they might face. It's official, Gunn's Guy Gardener's IQ > Zack Snyder's Batman's IQ (had to specify Zack's first name at least once, wouldn't want to imply Scott Snyder, an actual decent Batman and Superman writer, was to blame).

For all the whining about the jokes in the movie, at least Gunn writes his characters capable of behaving like normal human beings.

But you know, clearly we needed more actual reasonable human behavior from the Snyder films:

-dads telling their son first they should reconsider saving children who were going to die (and no, there's no way one can spin that without it being fucked up, especially as he doesn't open his talk by at least congratulating his son on SAVING CHILDREN'S LIVES. Geezus, that's basic parenting right there)
-an overly blue tint to the whole damn film so we know the film is SUPER SERIOUS, YOU GUYS
-Perry White and his team staring at the World Enging horrifically murdering people and getting closer for 15 minutes before Perry finally goes, "oh, uh, we should leave!" (meanwhile, 2025 Perry, Lois, and Jimmy are focused on getting all the details on Eve's exposure of Lex, and Perry knows Lois flew there in Terrific's ship so they can leave easily in time so they don't need to hurry as much. Meanwhile, everyone else around them are evacuating)
-a fucking crater where half of Metropolis used to be (ah yes, Superman comics, promoting hope and optimism, totally represented with such imagery)
-a Superman who is told to inspire people and yet actually doesn't (the military would fight Zod and his genocidal plans anyway obviously, and Perry and Lombard try to save Jenny with zero awareness of Superman at that point) unlike 2025 Superman actually inspiring Guy, Hawkgirl, and the people of Jarhanpur
-Jimmy Olsen being on screen for like a minute and then being shot in the head, just so we've extra, extra convinced the movie is edgy, err, I mean, "dark" (oh, and Snyder claiming Dick Grayson, one of the most beloved DC characters, was the dead Robin. Warner Bros would later override him on that bullshit, with them saying it was Jason Todd, as it should be)
-Lex sending a congresswoman a jar possibly filled with piss (which is followed by a horrific explosion causing many deaths, now THAT'S some actually baffling mood whiplash)
-Batman being too stupid to realize beforehand that the person he's about to murder could have been raised by a human mother (with the moment being delivered in a far more infamous moment than any moment in this new film had no matter how much certain people will desperately wish it so)
-and Superman being too stupid to hand the damn kryptonite spear to Wonder Woman (also, that spear, would have been totally useless for Batman against Superman if his fight with Superman hadn't conveniently brought them near it, LOL).

All resulting in a film that was the live action debut of Superman and Batman (and Wonder Woman) together, during the height of superhero film box office potential (as now international, especially China which is a huge market, just won't give them a chance regardless of quality), and it couldn't clear a billion dollars. Ouch. Only 890 million despite Snyder having all the tools at his disposal and he still couldn't reach that…..and then one year later, Patty Jenkins had only Wonder Woman to use and yet she made 820 million, only 70 million short of the film that also had Batman and Superman, with her film. Huh, I guess it sometimes helps when you make an actual good film.

Oh, and Batman v Superman's second weekend dropoff? Worst in superhero film history of those that opened to 100 million or more on their first weekend, only finally being dethroned in that category when Ant-man 3 released seven years later.

Are you posting this for me? Seems like it considering the first few sentences.

Because I ain't reading your bullshit. You don't deserve my attention.

By Felicia.

Edit: oh and by the way next time you want to quote me, have the balls to do it. Remember what you said on another thread about this? I do.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I see we're back to using "snyder fanboys" for dismissing criticism.

 

[VulcanRaven]

I see we're back to using "snyder fanboys" for dismissing criticism.

There are many who decided that they will dislike this long before seeing it though. I admit that was I was like that for Justice League (2017) but I liked Man of Steel.

 

[KyoZz]

There are many who decided that they will dislike this long before seeing it though. I admit that was I was like that for Justice League (2017) but I liked Man of Steel.

Stop trying to defend the behaviors of Doom85 .

It's not because some are acting like moron that he have to do the same. You know, kindness is the new punk rock right? How about trying to apply some of those value?

 

[VulcanRaven]

Stop trying to defend the behaviors of Doom85 .

It's not because some are acting like moron that he have to do the same. You know, kindness is the new punk rock right? How about trying to apply some of those value?

I haven't actually read his long post so maybe I should have remained silent.

 

[KyoZz]

I didn't actually read his long post

so maybe I should have remained silent.

Yeah, most likely. Also Doom is know for this so please don't encourage him. He is just posting in bad faith, always trying to escape with lies and calling out anyone that don't agree with him on any thread related to comics.

 

[calico]

Says the guy who tried to make this actually ludicrous claim that I was complaining about post #66 bringing Batman v Superman into the argument...

You brought up BvS (#64), Kloss responded to you (#66) directly referencing BvS. You responded (#68) by falsely accusing him of not naming the movie and then implying he shouldn't be comparing to BvS anyway because Batman is in it but not in Superman 2025.

You also said "But yes, I'm the "fanboy", despite me providing inflation to BOTH box office and budgets while you "conveniently" only remembered to inflate the box office" right before referencing the BvS box office without adjusting it for inflation: "the live action film debut of Superman and Batman TOGETHER couldn't even pass a billion."

Adjusted for inflation BvS took ~$1.2bn at the box office (about twice as much as Superman 2025 so far). So you did the exact thing you accused him of (selective adjustment for inflation) in the very next sentence after making the accusation. The figure you provided for it in #64 was also unadjusted, so that's at least twice you used the unadjusted box office figure despite your claim to the contrary.

I'm beginning to think that you could be the one who fucked up...

 

[Doom85]

Edit: oh and by the way next time you want to quote me, have the balls to do it. Remember what you said on another thread about this? I do.

Buddy, you posted an ACTUAL NOVEL for your "review". After you yourself criticized my "walls of text" in the other Superman thread.

I'm not wasting hours and hours separating all that shit into individual quotes. You want to throw an entire day of your life away posting that meltdown with ACTUAL INCORRECT DETAILS, you do you, I'm not diving down that shithole with you. Enjoy your work, I'm sure publishers are knocking down your door looking to get your work out there!

Lois did not say she didn't believe in their relationship. She said, "I told you I'm not good at relationships." That's not an opinion, IT'S WHAT SHE LITERALLY SAID IN THE MOVIE. You might as well be trying to claim that Kane's dying word in Citizen Kane was, "pancakes", it would be just as accurate.

And you flat out said you had the film on digital, and with such a massive "review", any honest person would fact check such a detail. But you did not do that, therefore you have been caught in an objective fuck up.

But thank god, after blatantly lying yourself regarding that, you wouldn't be so bold as to-

Also Doom is know for this so please don't encourage him. He is just posting in bad faith, always trying to escape with lies and calling out anyone that don't agree with him on any thread related to comics.

Glad you're able to see reason Doom

Hey, I have to give them something so they can sleep at night

You brought up BvS (#64), Kloss responded to you (#66) directly referencing BvS. You responded (#68) by falsely accusing him of not naming the movie and then implying he shouldn't be comparing to BvS anyway because Batman is in it but not in Superman 2025.

You also said "But yes, I'm the "fanboy", despite me providing inflation to BOTH box office and budgets while you "conveniently" only remembered to inflate the box office" right before referencing the BvS box office without adjusting it for inflation: "the live action film debut of Superman and Batman TOGETHER couldn't even pass a billion."

Adjusted for inflation BvS took ~$1.2bn at the box office (about twice as much as Superman 2025 so far). So you did the exact thing you accused him of (selective adjustment for inflation) in the very next sentence after making the accusation. The figure you provided for it in #64 was also unadjusted, so that's at least twice you used the unadjusted box office figure despite your claim to the contrary.

I'm beginning to think that you could be the one who fucked up...

Buddy, if you stopped and actually thought for one second, I was clearly talking about within 2016, the film couldn't pass a billion. Avengers passed a billion. Iron Man 3 passed a billion. Captain America 3, in the same year as BvS, passed a billion. They didn't need inflation up to 2025 to achieve that.

Because guess want? With enough time passing, EVENTUALLY EVERY FILM PASSES A BILLION DUE TO INFLATION.

So, congratulations, BvS! You, the live action debut of Batman and Superman together, during the comic book movie maximum hype era, a film that should be a cultural event for the world, passed a billion dollars…..EVENTUALLY! What a truly remarkable accomplishment that every film in existence will also accomplish at some point in the near or far future!

This honestly is my new favorite desperate tactic I've seen yet by a Snyder fanboy yet. You can't make comedy gold like this anywhere. Truly, well done, calico, well done.

 

[Doom85]

I see we're back to using "snyder fanboys" for dismissing criticism.

Dude, I have been BEYOND PATIENT with their bullshit. You know how KyoZz operated in the Superman thread, as someone correctly stated in this VERY THREAD-

There are many who decided that they will dislike this long before seeing it though.

But surely that wouldn't apply to KyoZz, right? He went in with an open mind…..right?

Oh wait, he admitted to being a hater!

Post in thread 'Superman (2025) 4 minute scene released'

May 14, 2025

Great video pointing out the nonsense of people acting "confused" about the robot scene:




At this rate, films really are going to just have to go back to full screen and have the black bars filled with text to help literally explain every scene for people who just fail to comprehend what they're seeing or always direct their assumptions, subconsciously or deliberately, in a way to make an element of the film nonsensical as opposed to directing their assumption to understand the filmmakers' intent.

Like, I hadn't watched the scene when it was first posted as I don't...

• KyoZz

• 

Zack Snyder is living rent free in your mind it's crazy. You can't just enjoy what you have and let the haters... hate

So I guess I will quote part of your "review", KyoZz!

As a DC fan, and particularly a Superman fan, I wanted a good movie, and what I got was a subpar soap opera.

You wanted a good movie, eh? Funny, someone calling themselves a "hater" before the movie even came out doesn't sound like someone who wanted Gunn's movie to be good…..

And don't you dare try to be offended by what I just did. YOU started this shit by constantly calling me a liar and such, which makes it very clear you're not good at actually arguing against my points by resorting to such ad hominen tactics. Well, here's ACTUAL EVIDENCE of you saying one thing but clearly acting another way. I hear that's called a "liar" in most parts of the world. Or at least a possible sign of DID.

Holy shit, KyoZz was Two-Face all along!

But hey, THANK YOU. So that's at least one Snyder fanboy who owned up to being "a hater". Confession is good for the soul.

 

[tkscz]

Ma and Pa Kent are especially rancid in this.

I hate that this is true about this movie because I've wanted more stories to realize Clark is the person, Superman is the mask and apart of that is that Ma and Pa Kent ARE his parents. So many stories have him push them away the moment he finds out about Zor-El. Then to see them act like this feels insulting That said I still liked the moment they got to talk, that was a good moment, but I couldn't stand how they made them, especially Ma Kent. Boy I thought she was slow the way they portrayed her.

 

[Doom85]

but I couldn't stand how they made them, especially Ma Kent. Boy I thought she was slow the way they portrayed her.

They're old people. All my grandparents were like this by some point. The yelling into the phone bit, like that's insanely on point.

I mean, seriously, you at least phrased it a little more nicely, so kudos, but some of the other comments about the Kents have been genuinely insulting as they reflect good, honest people who are just affected by their age and such. Old people sometimes speaking louder than they need to, sometimes speaking a bit more slowly. Pa Kent showing concern when his only son shows up speaking deliriously and with his skin looking fucked up in a way that Pa Kent has likely never seen before. None of this feels like it justifies calling them "mentally retarded" the way a few other posters did.

 

[KyoZz]

Buddy, you posted an ACTUAL NOVEL for your "review". After you yourself criticized my "walls of text" in the other Superman thread.

If you can't understand the difference between posting one long post to review a movie ONCE and you posting walls of text every time someone disagree, it's on you.

I'm not wasting hours and hours separating all that shit into individual quotes. You want to throw an entire day of your life away posting that meltdown with ACTUAL INCORRECT DETAILS, you do you, I'm not diving down that shithole with you.

And yet here you are, once again after telling on multiple occasion you would put me on ignore...

Enjoy your work, I'm sure publishers are knocking down your door looking to get your work out there!

Uh? Ok...

Lois did not say she didn't believe in their relationship. She said, "I told you I'm not good at relationships." That's not an opinion, IT'S WHAT SHE LITERALLY SAID IN THE MOVIE. You might as well be trying to claim that Kane's dying word in Citizen Kane was, "pancakes", it would be just as accurate.

And you flat out said you had the film on digital, and with such a massive "review", any honest person would fact check such a detail. But you did not do that, therefore you have been caught in an objective fuck up.

But thank god, after blatantly lying yourself regarding that, you wouldn't be so bold as to-

I've put subtitles just for you:

Buddy, if you stopped and actually thought for one second, I was clearly talking about within 2016, the film couldn't pass a billion. Avengers passed a billion. Iron Man 3 passed a billion. Captain America 3, in the same year as BvS, passed a billion. They didn't need inflation up to 2025 to achieve that.

And Superman couldn't even reach MoS. They rebooted the universe to do worse lmao. That's funny as fuck if you ask me.

Also as I stated I haven't read your post. You don't deserve my time

Because guess want? With enough time passing, EVENTUALLY EVERY FILM PASSES A BILLION DUE TO INFLATION.

So, congratulations, BvS! You, the live action debut of Batman and Superman together, during the comic book movie maximum hype era, a film that should be a cultural event for the world, passed a billion dollars…..EVENTUALLY! What a truly remarkable accomplishment that every film in existence will also accomplish at some point in the near or far future!

Context is important but your not worth explaining.

This honestly is my new favorite desperate tactic I've seen yet by a Snyder fanboy yet. You can't make comedy gold like this anywhere. Truly, well done, calico, well done.

Calico? Sorry I don't get that.

Dude, I have been BEYOND PATIENT with their bullshit. You know how KyoZz operated in the Superman thread, as someone correctly stated in this VERY THREAD-

But surely that wouldn't apply to KyoZz, right? He went in with an open mind…..right?

Oh wait, he admitted to being a hater!

Not a hater, I always said there are some choices I didn't like in this Superman even prior to seing the movie (like Krypto or the fact that there is so many other DC heroes). That's it.

But nothing could've prepared me to the atrocity of this movie. It was so bad, what can I say.

Post in thread 'Superman (2025) 4 minute scene released'

May 14, 2025

Great video pointing out the nonsense of people acting "confused" about the robot scene:




At this rate, films really are going to just have to go back to full screen and have the black bars filled with text to help literally explain every scene for people who just fail to comprehend what they're seeing or always direct their assumptions, subconsciously or deliberately, in a way to make an element of the film nonsensical as opposed to directing their assumption to understand the filmmakers' intent.

Like, I hadn't watched the scene when it was first posted as I don't...

• KyoZz

• 

So I guess I will quote part of your "review", KyoZz!



You wanted a good movie, eh? Funny, someone calling themselves a "hater" before the movie even came out doesn't sound like someone who wanted Gunn's movie to be good…..

You totally misunderstood what I was saying.

And don't you dare try to be offended by what I just did. YOU started this shit by constantly calling me a liar and such, which makes it very clear you're not good at actually arguing against my points by resorting to such ad hominen tactics. Well, here's ACTUAL EVIDENCE of you saying one thing but clearly acting another way. I hear that's called a "liar" in most parts of the world. Or at least a possible sign of DID.

But you ARE a liar. Try to be a better person please.

Holy shit, KyoZz was Two-Face all along!

But hey, THANK YOU. So that's at least one Snyder fanboy who owned up to being "a hater". Confession is good for the soul.

I hope you don't loose your cool, you have your movie so just enjoy and know that you don't need to convince every single person here. Put me on ignore and move on buddy.

 

[Fake]

Superman fans are really asking for ban those days...

 

[Klosshufvud]

Batman v Superman actually had a bigger budget than Superman 2025, estimating at 250-325 million, which itself has to be inflated to today's standards (so 345 million to 445 million) and a bigger marketing budget, estimating at 150-165 million, once again, has to be inflated to today's standards (208 million to 226 million).

So at best Batman v Superman cost 553 million after inflation, at worst it cost 671 million after inflation.

Meanwhile, Superman 2025 has an estimated 225 million production budget and a 100-125 million marketing budget.

But yes, I'm the "fanboy", despite me providing inflation to BOTH box office and budgets while you "conveniently" only remembered to inflate the box office.

And of course, you don't name the movie, because that would mean you have to acknowledge the live action film debut of Superman and Batman TOGETHER couldn't even pass a billion. But wait, you're saying Gunn's film should be held to a similar expectation?

Strange, I don't remember Batman being in the 2025 film. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, I mean, he has to be, otherwise your "counter argument" is nonsensical. Be right back, I'll rewatch the film to spot the apparently obvious Batman role.

(returns)

Strange, no Batman to be found…….


But the fact is, good sir, Gunn is already writing the sequel. THAT'S an indisputable fact, no matter how certain people will try to spin it.

So all I see from the Snyder fanboys making posts like yours that are clearly getting more desperate and actually manipulative in how they present their "information":

edit: and yes, no shit, the jar of piss wasn't a "quip", worse, it was a moment that brought unintended laughter from the audience. Sorry that people didn't take a moment of her slowly turning a jar of URINE as the VERY SERIOUS, VERY DRAMATIC moment Snyder wanted us to.

Probably doesn't help Eisenberg's performance was actual dogshit (most of the cast was good to great, just burdened from uneven writing in MoS to actual shit writing in BvS), so you can't take anything seriously from him when he's doing all his bizarre little sound effects like he's that one guy from Police Academy (I guess this is what inspired Jared Leto to make CAT SOUNDS as the Joker the very same year, LOL).

Others have already made proper replies to this post but for future advice; tone down the reaction images after every sentence. It doesn't make you look smarter. It just makes your posts very obnoxious. The whole post also reads incoherently so I applaud other posters ITT for being able to somehow make sense of it in replies. With that said, MoS didn't become enjoyable to me until the third watch. I'll be sure to rewatch S2025 a few more times the coming days to see if it grows on me.

 

[Doom85]

If you can't understand the difference between posting one long post to review a movie ONCE and you posting walls of text every time someone disagree, it's on you.


And yet here you are, once again after telling on multiple occasion you would put me on ignore...


Uh? Ok...


I've put subtitles just for you:

And Superman couldn't even reach MoS. They rebooted the universe to do worse lmao. That's funny as fuck if you ask me.

Also as I stated I haven't read your post. You don't deserve my time


Context is important but your not worth explaining.


Calico? Sorry I don't get that.


Not a hater, I always said there are some choices I didn't like in this Superman even prior to seing the movie (like Krypto or the fact that there is so many other DC heroes). That's it.

But nothing could've prepared me to the atrocity of this movie. It was so bad, what can I say.


You totally misunderstood what I was saying.


But you ARE a liar. Try to be a better person please.

I hope you don't loose your cool, you have your movie so just enjoy and know that you don't need to convince every single person here. Put me on ignore and move on buddy.

I will not put you on ignore if you keep telling every other poster who talks to me that I'm a liar. Unless you honestly just want me to report you for that every single time you do it. Is that you want? Because you have continued to attack me when I'm talking to other people. You go a long time without doing that garbage, I'll do my best to put you on ignore, even though I feel your behavior is manipulative and used to unfairly "analyze" certain films like this through misinformation and/or a failure at understanding characterization and plot threads. It's hard to ignore someone being this dedicated to behaving like that.

Also, did you really just reply to all of that, even the parts where I was clearly replying to someone else, as if I was replying to you in all of that as opposed to some of that?

That's……a choice.

Bruh, do you even remember what you've even typed? Are you sober? How did you look at the words that I quoted, even if you didn't notice the different username, and went, "oh yeah, I typed that, that was me."

As for Lois, it's because of HER. She is blaming herself, not the relationship in general. When Clark asks her what she meant as she is washing dishes, she says, "I told you I'm not good at relationships." It's not the relationship of the two of them (since, you know, a relationship involves TWO PEOPLE) she doesn't believe in, she doesn't believe SHE is capable of a relationship. She's not blaming Clark in any of this. It really was, "it's not you, it's me".

God, this just proves how movies really do have to spell things out for people. The fact that you think Clark getting upset over Supershit was an overreaction. Bruh, he was already upset over how the interview was going so far, as he values saving lives that much, so Supershit was just the tipping point. But he wasn't really yelling at her, just a, "oh, come on!" sort of declaration. Like, they had been dating for three months by that point, heaven forbid they ever have an emotional disagreement.


Moving on from that, just spare me your nonsense of, "nah, it's a review, it's okay for THAT to be long." A wall of text is a wall of text, buddy, you can put a ribbon on it all you want, it's STILL a wall of text.

You identified yourself as a "hater". Fucking own that shit at least. It's right there, for everyone to see, you said it. Trying to spin it at this point is actually pathetic.

Because, see, now how do I know you're calling me a "liar"? I mean, you admit to being a "hater", but no, you claim I "misunderstood", so how am I supposed to interpret your usage of "liar" now? Apparently the entire dictionary is up for grabs when it comes to you randomly changing the definition of words!

I know I have my movie, as do many of my fellow Superman fans, and the sequel that was quickly greenlit with a script already being written. Which makes the, "it didn't make money" noise from some people extra hilarious.

Hell, it's apparently even bringing more people to comic stores.

Pretty impressive for a film a few select people are claiming "doesn't get the character right".

I agree, needed more Mark Zuckerberg, I'm sorry, "Lex Luthor", doing…..

…..I don't know what he's doing, actually.

 

[KyoZz]

I will not put you on ignore if you keep telling every other poster who talks to me that I'm a liar. Unless you honestly just want me to report you for that every single time you do it. Is that you want? Because you have continued to attack me when I'm talking to other people. You go a long time without doing that garbage, I'll do my best to put you on ignore, even though I feel your behavior is manipulative and used to unfairly "analyze" certain films like this through misinformation and/or a failure at understanding characterization and plot threads. It's hard to ignore someone being this dedicated to behaving like that.

Dude you are the one coming at me ONCE again. But please report me if you think you are being abused.

Please EviLore can we settle this once and for all?

Also, did you really just reply to all of that, even the parts where I was clearly replying to someone else, as if I was replying to you in all of that as opposed to some of that?

That's……a choice.

Your post is confusing so... yeah maybe? Idk and Idc.

Bruh, do you even remember what you've even typed? Are you sober? How did you look at the words that I quoted, even if you didn't notice the different username, and went, "oh yeah, I typed that, that was me."

Here we go, now it's getting personal

As for Lois, it's because of HER. She is blaming herself, not the relationship in general. When Clark asks her what she meant as she is washing dishes, she says, "I told you I'm not good at relationships." It's not the relationship of the two of them (since, you know, a relationship involves TWO PEOPLE) she doesn't believe in, she doesn't believe SHE is capable of a relationship. She's not blaming Clark in any of this. It really was, "it's not you, it's me".

God, this just proves how movies really do have to spell things out for people. The fact that you think Clark getting upset over Supershit was an overreaction. Bruh, he was already upset over how the interview was going so far, as he values saving lives that much, so Supershit was just the tipping point. But he wasn't really yelling at her, just a, "oh, come on!" sort of declaration. Like, they had been dating for three months by that point, heaven forbid they ever have an emotional disagreement.

Moving on from that, just spare me your nonsense of, "nah, it's a review, it's okay for THAT to be long." A wall of text is a wall of text, buddy, you can put a ribbon on it all you want, it's STILL a wall of text.

You identified yourself as a "hater". Fucking own that shit at least. It's right there, for everyone to see, you said it. Trying to spin it at this point is actually pathetic.

Because, see, now how do I know you're calling me a "liar"? I mean, you admit to being a "hater", but no, you claim I "misunderstood", so how am I supposed to interpret your usage of "liar" now? Apparently the entire dictionary is up for grabs when it comes to you randomly changing the definition of words!

I know I have my movie, as do many of my fellow Superman fans, and the sequel that was quickly greenlit with a script already being written. Which makes the, "it didn't make money" noise from some people extra hilarious.

Hell, it's apparently even bringing more people to comic stores.

Pretty impressive for a film a few select people are claiming "doesn't get the character right".

I agree, needed more Mark Zuckerberg, I'm sorry, "Lex Luthor", doing…..

…..I don't know what he's doing, actually.

More nonsense, ain't got time for this as I already said. Have a nice day.

 

[Doom85]

With that said, MoS didn't become enjoyable to me until the third watch. I'll be sure to rewatch S2025 a few more times the coming days to see if it grows on me.

Oh wait, FUCK!

Anyway, I enjoyed Man of Steel from the get go, I just heavily criticized what I felt it got wrong. I even defended the casting of Jesse Eisenberg when it was announced for BvS, but was definitely let down by whatever THAT performance and writing of the character was. But even if I think BvS is a bad movie (the director's cut bumps it up to below average but still very flawed), there are a still few positives.

-The casting and their acting (ignoring the actual lines and sometimes actions they have to act out, just the acting itself) is still (minus Eisenberg) on point.
-Probably because she's not in the movie long, Wonder Woman is handled well.
-The score is not on par with Han Zimmer's work on the TDK trilogy or Man of Steel but still pretty good especially the Wonder Woman theme.
-The fight choreography is mostly solid even if I would say Man of Steel was Snyder's better work in that category (again, for the fights alone, I have issues with some of the writing connected to said fights, though BvS is much worse in terms of that).

It's just almost everything else that completely let me down.

That's why I'm not being disingenuous or overly biased about my feelings about the 2025 film, despite KyoZz claiming otherwise. If Gunn had fucked up Superman for me, I would definitely be complaining. Probably even more than KyoZz.

 

[Doom85]

Dude you are the one coming at me ONCE again. But please report me if you think you are being abused.

Please EviLore can we settle this once and for all?


Your post is confusing so... yeah maybe? Idk and Idc.


Here we go, now it's getting personal


More nonsense, ain't got time for this as I already said. Have a nice day.

Well, I certainly look forward to you rushing out to post about every single little preview clip and photo you can find of all upcoming DCU films as soon as you can find them, and then nitpicking any possible frame you can find, while all the while insisting, "hey, guys, I'm giving this film a fair chance!"

If that's your idea of "unbiased" and "I totally am not a hater!", good lord, you can't help someone that oblivious. Though I doubt you are, and that you know exactly what you're doing, but you seem committed to this little act you've got going on.

Goodbye forever. I don't want to see my fucking name in one of your posts ever again, as you don't deserve the trust putting you on ignore would entail, I will just simply not talk to you or even reference you from now on (but I can still mock Snyder fanboys/cultists in general, which hey, YOU CLAIM TO NOT BE ONE SO THAT SHOULDN'T BOTHER YOU, RIGHT?). Mana lives rent free in your head clearly, and you always use his name as a cheap, "cry for me, he was mean to me!" card, you're not doing the same for me.

 

[EviLore]

I'm not being disingenuous or overly biased about my feelings about the 2025 film

No one cares, stop the nonsense and spam.

 

[KyoZz]

Well, I certainly look forward to you rushing out to post about every single little preview clip and photo you can find of all upcoming DCU films as soon as you can find them, and then nitpicking any possible frame you can find, while all the while insisting, "hey, guys, I'm giving this film a fair chance!"

If that's your idea of "unbiased" and "I totally am not a hater!", good lord, you can't help someone that oblivious. Though I doubt you are, and that you know exactly what you're doing, but you seem committed to this little act you've got going on.

Goodbye forever. I don't want to see my fucking name in one of your posts ever again, as you don't deserve the trust putting you on ignore would entail, I will just simply not talk to you or even reference you from now on (but I can still mock Snyder fanboys/cultists in general, which hey, YOU CLAIM TO NOT BE ONE SO THAT SHOULDN'T BOTHER YOU, RIGHT?). Mana lives rent free in your head clearly, and you always use his name as a cheap, "cry for me, he was mean to me!" card, you're not doing the same for me.

Funny how as soon as I'm asking for some moderation you hide behind "I'm done here".

If there's one person living for free in someone's mind, it's me in yours and you keep proving it. Once again you started all this. I haven't mentioned you ONCE before you started your usual bullshit. So yes, see you (until next time because we both know you can't help yourself)

Ps: next time please less gif, it's super weird how you keep using them and it doesn't help your case nor the visibility of your post.

Edit: here you go, you've been warned now.

 

[EviLore]

Let's move on.

 

[calico]

Buddy, if you stopped and actually thought for one second, I was clearly talking about within 2016, the film couldn't pass a billion.

Well no, it's not clear when it immediately follows a sentence in which you are patting yourself on the back for including inflation in the box office numbers you are providing. You also adjusted BvS' budget for inflation earlier in that post.

If you 'clearly' were not referring to BvS' box office when you said 'despite me providing inflation to BOTH box office and budgets', which box office were you referring to?

You attempted to claim the high ground based on 'providing inflation to BOTH box office and budgets', I have pointed out that you didn't do that either time you referred to BvS' box office, and now you are saying you don't need to adjust for inflation anyway. Which is it?

 

[Ulysses 31]

That Krypto assaulting Lex scene is some stuff huh. I guess they were going for an Avengers Hulk Smash moment but it looks so dumb seeing Superman - the embodiment of responsibility and leadership, completely stand powerless as his super powered family dog completely tears up a human. Especially when Superman was in no particular danger there either. It following a scene of Superman crying about how he's just like any other guy on Earth made it even more bizarre.

 

[Klosshufvud]

Yeah this whole scene is awful. Gunn deciding to just end the whole clusterfuck with Krypto assaulting Lex instead of resolving the scene in a meaningful manner is telling he just gave up on it. I think exactly like that guy. I really do believe Gunn went through some therapy during the whole pedo jokes debacle and is projecting those feelings onto Superman. It feels extremely out of place in the movie because in no point before that was this sort of exposition dump built up. Superman saying I HAVE FEELINGS in the tone befitting a 14 year old girl is not his character. Even if his feelings are hurt, Superman contains those feelings, he doesn't indulge in them. And why of all people does he tell this to Lex, a geniune psychopath dipshit? Corenswet was completely right to object to these lines because it doesn't fit him at all and the delivery is also all wrong. And that Youtuber saying Superman needs to act like a man. Well this brings me to this movie again



I'll take you in without breaking you. Which is more than you deserve.

This is exactly how Superman should approach an asshole like Lex. Not seek his approval but rather remind him of his imminent judgement. And going to Lex, this scene implies his deep seated hatred and envy against Superman. He doesn't need to say it outright, it's more than apparent in the words and expressions Luthor uses. Lex also asserts his dominance on Superman through word plays and nods, all to assume an intellectual edge on Superman. Because he's just that desperate to be better.
And finally, Gunn chose to have Superman say "I have feelings too!". In BvS, images of his captured mother are thrown at his face and he completely breaks down at that point. There is no need for him to say anything more. That alone is more than any exposition dump. He's prone to all the fallings of man too. So we've truly come full circle. People are criticizing S2025 for things that the Snyder films already resolved. I wonder if some of the critics are self aware enough to see that.