Do you think she should be fired by Nintendo for those views? That seems to be what some are arguing. Others just want to talk about Reggie, and localizing games.
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Do you think she should be fired by Nintendo for those views? That seems to be what some are arguing. Others just want to talk about Reggie, and localizing games.
The Orz
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Not to belittle the harmful impact of GG activity, but that is an absurdly naive and insulting statement. How could you even think this? What kind of bubble do you live in that makes a thought like this seem perfectly reasonable? A couple of years of misogynistic slander, cyber stalking, and empty hate doesn't quite equal the exploitation of children for millennia.
Again, both are terrible. I feel that one just happens to be far worse than the other.
CheDominik
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That's how academic discourse works. It's cotroversial by nature or it should be at least.
We shouldn't censor it becausr someone might feel uncomfortable.
Ooh I agree fully, well not for fatal frame, but the essence of it all....and then I wonder if this isn't just them being safe.
Knowing that they can make a certain sum from the crowd that gorges on this particular stuff.
And so on.
fake edit: anyway, the GG crowd has really done their work. I forgot for a second who Alison Rapp was and just remember something about paedophilia before I even stepped in here and got a refresher.
sigh, I wonder how many will just take that as their stance and stick with it instead of wondering what the hell it was all about.
We know damn well they decided to delay Yoshi's release to fill up the pre-holiday month.
the_batman
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that's what i was saying, but people said they hate her anyway because she's a woman.
Blood Diamonds
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*shrug* he's the one baiting for it with the silly cryptic posts and complete lack of understanding of how localization works.
I'm trying to understand your comments. How will she come out ahead? Keep in mind Anita was already big when she started getting attacked. As far as I'm aware no one has had their quality of life, or their career, improved from bring a GG victim.
so you take the bait
Scientist Supreme!
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Ok.
The DOA male thread I never posted in?
What's bad about my opinion exactly?
A good example is Anita on the Colbert report or other television. If GG never targeted her she wouldn't be anywhere near as famous. I'm not saying she's a "user" or a professional victim or it's all calculated. I'm not saying the harassment is fun or not hurtful. I'm not saying any of that. You've got me backwards. I was saying "She'll come out ahead" as a positive. That's what I hope for. That's my desired outcome -- That GG's idiocy backfires on them.
- I like Anita very much, I'm a fan of her videos
- I like Alison very much
- There are no curses in the tongues of ents or elves bad enough for Gamergate
Since you're such a master in this subject, please explain to us how localization works.
The argument isn't whether or not you find the content of her thesis objectionable. The argument is whether a person can be reasonably fired for writing an academic paper prior to their employment that has no relation to their current function within the company and the answer is no, of course not.
Messofanego
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So she was just asking for this? Yikes, dude. Speaking politics on a twitter account is just asking for harassment campaigns. Don't talk about gamergate at all or you'll be harassed to lose your job. In an indirect way, you're making gamergate out to be like mafia, which makes sense.
NormalFish
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They're controversial for sure, though judging by that thesis, she would likely argue that what she's advocating for, and what you seem to be so appalled with, aren't actually the same thing.
the_batman
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what's your opinion on my opinion?
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I see what you're saying but "big win", "leveraging" and "coming out of this ahead" is not something I'd judge. I have no idea how she feels or a way to gauge it, do you?
"I hope she comes out ahead" might be a better way to put it?
Blood Diamonds
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You can just Google it. I'm not going to entertain whatever shit you've come up with about NoA and localization, sorry.
Crash Station
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These people are fucking idiots. Rapp is on their side in terms of censorship.
I am not baiting. I am just a very outspoken person especially when it comes to subjects that bother me.
So disagreeing with Nintendo of America views makes me a bad person now?
Is not controversial in the context that GG is painting it.
It may be controversial as a thesis for college because it is supposed to be. You're supposed to engage and even try to reason topics you disagree with. I had to do an essay to explain why some are in favor of racism. Doesn't mean I'm racist.
But like everything even the debacle around the localizations, the key word is: context.
People are turning her thesis in a controversy.
Thanks for proving my point. Go hate on somebody else.
Haunted
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I think Jobbs is trying to communicate that fighters like Zoe and Anita have managed to make the best of a bad situation, which is completely admirable. However, we'd obviously all prefer if it hadn't come to this and they (and other women in the industry) wouldn't have to go through anything similar.
At least that's how I took it.
At least that's how I took it.
Not saying you're baiting, saying that it's stupid to say someone else is baiting after replying to them.
Like if they thought it was bait then why'd they reply in the first place
Crash Station
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Huh, what happened?
The way I was saying it was almost hopeful. I remember seeing Anita on Colbert and thinking "fuck off, guys, she wins" with respect to GG.
I can't believe I have to explain this.
notch said that he was always a part of gg, he was just scared to say so
Yoshi
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Why does her stance on child pornography matter to her work at Nintendo? What is the goal, to make everyone with a more liberal stance on child porn workless, even if their work has no connection to the topic at hand? If she was a politician or involved in lawmaking in another way I could somehow understand this, but as a marketer at Nintendo? For all I care, she can have whatever view she wants on unrelated topics. This kind of thought policing would also bite gamergaters themsleves in the ass considering feminist positions are basically mainstream now, gg activists would probably also not be too happy if they were thrown out just because they have a negative view on current more radical feminist positions.
Of course not, but it's something that could be discussed in its own thread.
You could write an OP and have someone else publish a thread for you if you wish to discuss it yourself. (Though this is usually only done for Juniors under specific circumstances, it would do well to have a lot to discuss on the topic)
This. It's like, did they even read the fucking thing?
Scientist Supreme!
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I think it's misguided in a thread about a woman being harassed by a hate group to worry about a thesis she wrote years ago. It reeks of victim blaming.
PreyingShark
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They don't give a fuck about what it actually says. They're just looking for excuses to attack women they don't like for some reason while being able to pretend they're on the side of justice and ethics in game journalism.
The Technomancer
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The grandest of grand ironies is that, if this is accurate, her work can be read as being at least theoretically defensive of the idea that there are issues with the West being imperialistic about Japanese media, specifically illustrated pornography featuring young looking characters, at least to the tune of "there's hypocrisy here in how Japanese media is specifically treated"
You know
the entire thing these guys supposedly give a shit about
Crash Station
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There were plenty of people in that thread against laws pertaining to depictions in art. No one got banned over it.
Please do it sometime if you feel like it.
i agree, i'm not really into jobbs' wording but that's how i interpreted it.
NormalFish
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Don't even need the "they don't like" qualifier. These people are just hardcore MRA sadists.
I'm a junior for another month or so, but if your still a junior by then as well I could make a thread for your discussion.
mugurumakensei
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https://kiwifar.ms/threads/message-from-the-real-jamie-walton.7726/
Definite ties to gamer gate.
For people who would rather not go to that site. Basically, she rails against Brianna Wu cause if you engage your aggressor you can't be a victim.
A gate that you don't want to play with.
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This makes it more clear, those earlier posts were much more confusing. Although I think it's not likely that everyone will manage as well as Anita.
Being controversial and even discomforting is kind of the point with a paper written in an academic setting. You're supposed to push boundaries.
So in that sense, it's not really controversial at all. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the paper in context.
The thing is that the thesis doesn't even matter one bit. It's totally irrelevant to what's going on entirely.
This is a textbook harassment tactic, and you can see how it works on people like Walton, and even people in this thread.
These people get upset about someone having a voice that disagrees with theirs that they can't argue with, and then find some kind of misplaced "evidence" that "proves" something terrible about them in order to get people to join in on the harassment. Twitter's format is essentially built for this, and harassment groups of all kinds use this kind of tactic to deflect from their overall goal, which is to maliciously ruin someone's job or life.
This isn't a debate about someone's academic thesis. This isn't a question of an NOA employee's morals or ethics. It's just an attack, and it uses the the lazy and uninformed to keep it going. People often even forget how or why the attack started in the first place. That's their goal.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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i hope clicking that link didn't put me on a list -_-
That's the best part of it and related to what I posted earlier. People are turning that thesis into a controversy around a Nintendo employee in favor of child pornography...when not only is far from that; but even agrees with some of her detractors about the ideas of the changes in localizations many condemn publishers about.
Then again they've been blaming her for the changes in FE Fates. So logic doesn't apply.
Exactly.
It is been used as an attack more than anything.
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