Gamergate convinced an anti-sex trafficking org to join crusade against NoA employee
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Crash Station
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Like, early days of GG where people thought it was legit about ethics in journalism? There's still leftovers from that time like American Mcgee who seem oblivious to the whole harassment thing.
Bumbletron
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I don't think that is the case at all. Regardless, I don't think this is the main source of contention or discourse to be had here.
Scientist Supreme!
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You added nothing to this discussion and were overall, boring.
I don't see why you would do that.
Xux
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I honestly feel like I've wasted too much of my life rubbernecking these garbage people doing shitty things.
no. he told SJWs to stop following him.
the_batman
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LOL, i don't think she said that.
Crash Station
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It's about ______ in gaming.
What that blank is, I don't fucking know anymore. Don't think I ever did.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
fucking hell, man.
The paper should probably be added to the OP to (at least partially) prevent this
I'm not sure how you got to that point but
I'm saying that it's my gut reaction.
I'm not thinking about someone sitting at home wanking to some hentai.
I'm not thinking about a research institution.
I'm thinking trafficking and those that actually do these things to other people. So yeah death, being locked up or chemical enforcements for these people. Or do you actually think school when you hear paedophile?
Yoshi
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First, being pedophile and being a rapist are still different things, second there is a difference between the stance on child porn (and I would assume this is talking more about manga stuff, not real rape videos of actual human beings) and being pedophile. One is a horrible sexual orientation and I fel bad for anyone who is pedophile, because it basically comes down to suppressing your sexual desires your whole life or being a criminal. One is a criminal act that should justly be punished and that often but not exclusively gets commited by pedophile persons. But one that also does not get commited by all pedophile persons. Lastly, the stance on child porn, or at least the variant where no person was harmed personally (i.e. animations, writing, comics, paintings) is a personal political opinion that shouldn't have an influence on a job.
Even if you associate negative feelings with a term (in this case pedophilia or child porn) you should always stay rational, because you will almost assuredly act unfairly if you don't. Do you feel someone like Rapp, who allegedly is of the opinion certain types of child pornography in other societies should not be criminalised, cannot do her job properly anymore, independent of what it is, and should be gravely punished? Do you feel that someone who is pedophile but never has acted on it and continues to fight his sex drive should be punished for who he is? Independent of the fact that he is a law-abiding person? And just to make this clear: Obviously, pedophile persons should not work at schools, kindergardens or similar work places. But let's say a pedophile worked in Nintendo marketing (again, not claiming Rapp is one, there is absolutely NO indication she is!), I could not care less. And neither should you.
I only had a vague idea before this moment. I sensed it was something I should ignore, and now I've confirmed that just by skimming this one. Since it took about 4 seconds to discover how knee jerk and moronic this is, I'm assuming also that it would be a complete waste of time to engage any of them. I won't even test that one.
Messofanego
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It's not controversial to shit on gamergate. Blizzard had a speech about it on their BlizzCon. Tim Schafer made jokes about them at the GDC awards. Plenty of other MALE gaming celebs and devs have been publicly against the hate movement. None of them were harassed to the point that any woman gets, because gamergate picks out the weaker targets.
Also, nice bit of victim blaming.
yeah no.
You are very wise. I spoke to Alisons defense on twitter and its not stop harassment from people I have never even heard of before. They have their script they stick to amazingly well too. Talk about the death threats, harassment etc. and they quickly try to turn it around. "Only death threats I ever got were from anti gamergate when I revealed my moderate viewpoint." As if anything in GG is moderate
Crossing Eden
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GG has absolutely no sense of self awareness, in like anyway shape or form, it's almost scientifically fascinating and if you've ever met anyone irl who supports the movement they're the same way, completely lacking in social skills/social awareness yet somehow everyone else, especially the opposite gender, is the issue.
Matrix XII
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Who even wants to be a games journalist at this point? I mean, it seems all that happens is they constantly get shit on.
Feel bad for these people. This whole GG thing is really sad.
Feel bad for these people. This whole GG thing is really sad.
Moon_frogger
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Yeah that's like saying the Republican Party is full of minorities and diversity. It's still clearly catering to the straight, white male agenda. You really don't need to try and paint some picture of diversity in gamergate. That's far more disingenuous than just saying its the straight white gamer boys club, which it largely is.
NormalFish
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Can you at least try to engage people if you're going to come in here clearly not having read any of this thread or the subject matter?
She's not. She does not advocate for CP of real children.
Yoshi
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So, if someone is doing good work at Nintendo marketing, has no contact to children in this capacity and has always been a law abiding person you claim the person should be fired for his sexual orientation and nothing else? How is that just?
MegamanPoweredUP
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I don't know if I was decived by those gamergate people. I stumbled in a bit of her essay about Japanese culture and stuff. The bit about kids and sex was painfull to read.
If somebody has a copy of what she really wrote, please post it.
If somebody has a copy of what she really wrote, please post it.
CheDominik
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Never mind I thought your response was in regards to the topic of ther paper specifically.
It's late...
I really wanna know what you read
Massive Duck. C.M.
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The worst part is most of the people they target aren't even journalists. They don't even try to keep up the charade of concern for journalistic ethics.
I've talked to some of the minorities who threw in with GG and it really is like talking to a brick wall.
Crash Station
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If it's someone attracted to kids that hasn't acted on it, it isn't legally grounds for termination. If it's a child molester, well they should be in jail, much less have a job.
NormalFish
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It was posted very early in to this thread.
I'm really disturbed at you trying to classify it as a sexual orientation. It's a mental illness through and through and should not be framed as anything but.
i am 99% sure that notch said it tongue in cheek.
Did not take long. They made sure to delete that thread to cover their tracks
NormalFish
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Alright, lets say it's a mental illness. They still should be treated as a criminal? You treat someone who's ill, you don't condemn them.
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Not to mention "mental illness" is highly subjective. Being rude could be a mental illness. And there's a whole pandora's box of things that have been classified as mental illness in the past that are now not. I'm not saying a paraphilia like pedophilia is one of those, but if you're going to argue semantics, you should be prepared to substantiate what you say.
I agree, but I was referring to the idea (or how I interpreted that post) that an openly admitted pedophile should have any position in marketing and whatnot.
LincolnTunnel
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If they haven't done anything to act on those feelings, why should they not have a job?
Yoshi
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I still think what she has written on it in academia has as much bearing on her job as that depression game developer's sex life has to her job (i.e. none). I feel this digging in her academic life, unrelated to her current position is not helpful nor constructive. If it's not easily found than it isn't even a publication, but just a seminary work during her academic education. From my perspective, this is private life. If someone were to approach me to hand out the seminary work of one of my students, I would absolutely reject that. As should the professor / scientific associate where she made her work.
Crossing Eden
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Because they're idiots, what they desire is to keep women out. And they do it in the most unintelligent ways possible because their entire goal is absolutely futile when put under any scrutiny or logical thought.
"Hurr durr we must keep women out/keep anime titties/damsels in distress/no positive portrayals of women in games/no censhorship which isn't really censhorship but i'll call that anyway because i don't have a fucking inkling of art at all!1!"
it's a bunch of manchildren with nothing better to do but complain about the opposite gender trying to take away their precious collection of pathetic sexist shit/gaming becoming more inclusive and less receptive to their nonsense.. Which recently seems to be centered around underage and/or underage looking girls. -_-
Joyful
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Bumbletron
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Right, it is a psychiatric disorder, but throwing those who have done nothing wrong in jail/an asylum is not ethical at all. These people definitely need help, and we should be helping them. I don't see how he was framing it as anything but. Yoshi was just saying that there is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to live a normal life if they are non-acting. Keeping someone from a job in marketing because of it wouldn't make much sense at all.
I find it odd that people on the internet still don't know about cached pages. Deleting that thread isn't going to do shit other than make the people involved look even more guilty.
Yabberwocky
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I was going to say that it seemed a bit bizarre, as Anita Sarkeesian went to one of his parties.
Don't think so. In his timeline he's talking about thought policing and censorship and " fuck the sissification of society" and all that.
EDIT: He also seems to agree with Boogie on the "neutral" thing which there is no neutral.
Chaos2Frozen
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God fucking sake, twice in a row I woke up to shitty news in the morning.
I've never wished for anything from Nintendo before but for God sake fight back.
I've never wished for anything from Nintendo before but for God sake fight back.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Allison, if you read this, stay strong. Know that there are saner people out there who will defend your right to...I dunno, be a decent human being? Is this really what we have to do in 2016; protest against those who want to be shitty?
I'm scared of the power rush they might get if Drumpf gets in the Oval Office.
Allison, if you read this, stay strong. Know that there are saner people out there who will defend your right to...I dunno, be a decent human being? Is this really what we have to do in 2016; protest against those who want to be shitty?
I'm scared of the power rush they might get if Drumpf gets in the Oval Office.
Yoshi
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One who is an openly admitted pedophile (who has not done any harm to anyone) should not be ruled out from a position in marketing video games.On what basis? "I don't like what you are"?
Also, I see no reason why pedophilia should not be a sexual orientation. And a mental illness, too.
because if they're comfortable admitting to it and sharing with the world how they'd like to fuck children, I think it's probably a dangerous trajectory they're on.
I have a ton of a sympathy for anyone who is unlucky enough to have the illness and refuses to act upon it - but if they're ever going to think pedophilia as an act is something that should be accepted or embraced, I will not tolerate that under any circumstance.
Bumbletron
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Dude, just because they admit it doesn't mean they're proud of it. If people are open about it and non-acting, it probably means that they are getting help and are not likely at all to commit the act.
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