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[Sakura]

Are you intentionally being obtuse? You honestly can't see the difference between parents you live with and any other roommate? Even after reading posts, in this very thread, talking about how different it is to bring someone home to try and have sex or throwing a party / a casual get-together with your friends. Practically every interaction you have with the people you live with is going to be significantly different if you're their offspring.

Are you intentionally avoiding answering my question?
Living with roommates doesn't necessarily guarantee you will be able to have parties or bring partners home, it depends entirely on the situation you live in. My friend lives with a roommate in an apartment. He gets noise complaints just for walking on the floor. You think he can throw a party in that situation? Meanwhile my parents are upstairs and I'm downstairs. They wouldn't give a shit if I had people over. Hell my mother will sometimes have parties herself on the weekend upstairs. In my situation, is there a really big difference in moving out with roommates vs living at home? Because my post where I asked the difference about living with roommates vs living at home, was a post where I was talking about my situation.

 

[DJKhaled]

Was 19 when I moved out, if I had of stayed there until 30 I would have committed suicide I'd say. Even if money is tight just leave man, 30 is waaayyyyy too long to still be with your parents and living in your own place is the greatest.

 

[DJKhaled]

Where do you live? I was able to find places for $350 a month when I lived in my last city. Here I can only find $750+ a month.

Jesus christ rent is cheap in America, I was living in a small country town in Australia and I was paying $290 a week, when I lived in a semi-big city I was paying $450 a week.

 

[CrocMother]

Being able to cohabitate with complete strangers is actually a pretty valuable life skill in my experience.

A lot of people think I'm crazy for doing it but I've been through just about everything. It taught me a lot about getting along with people.

I don't think humans are meant to live with the same two or three people from adolescence deep into their adult life. It's not good for social development. Living in a multi-generational home with more people than just your parents wouldn't fit into that category.

 

[Yaboosh]

Why is that?

Colorado to Florida is a hell of a downgrade.

Where in Florida are you planning on moving?

 

[Wreav]

Basically for everyone in here that's just getting by on their jobs or living situations, wise words:

 

[Red Comet]

23. Me and my step brother are getting an apartment here in a couple of weeks. Can't fucking wait.

 

[TomServo]

CO to FL is just about the biggest life downgrade American can offer. Godspeed.

Waited for my 17-month-old son to wake up, threw on some shorts and flip flops, and biked to the beach. Played there for about an hour.

Ran some errands, including picking up produce from our God-tier grocery store chain (Publix), then put the kiddo back on the bike and rode to one of our beautiful public parks. Played there for about an hour (again), watched the people filing into the clubhouse for one of the many oceanfront weddings we have every year, then hopped back on the bike to go to the local ice cream stand.

Got home, chatted with my neighbor about our landscaping while my son played in the yard. Cooked dinner on the grill outside.

That was my day today. Yeah, Florida sucks.

Sorry to digress. On topic: move the fuck out if you're in your twenties.

Edit: Oh yeah, watching the SpaceX launch on my way into the restaurant for dinner last night totally sucked.

 

[Weevilone]

When my kids turn 18 I'm changing the locks. I'm all for helping them through life, and I'm hopeful they'll be in college then and likely in/out during that time. Will find out in 8 years.

 

[MikeDip]

When my kids turn 18 I'm changing the locks.

Jesus that is evil

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

Jesus christ rent is cheap in America, I was living in a small country town in Australia and I was paying $290 a week, when I lived in a semi-big city I was paying $450 a week.

Well there are parts of America where rent is cheap and very cheap. But we have the other extreme, too: some of the most expensive in the world. Check out San Francisco, New York, DC, etc.; apartments the size of shoe boxes are thousands of dollars a month. Landlords in San Francisco trying to raise rent to tens of thousands of dollars a month. It's honestly obscene.

 

[TomServo]

Landlords in San Francisco trying to raise rent to tens of thousands of dollars a month. It's honestly obscene.

Holy shit.

 

[Weevilone]

I look forward to the inevitable thread in 30-40 years on GAF - "what's a good age to put your parents in the old people's home?" "60".

Before that it'll be "at what age should I kick my kids out?"

 

[Jaffaboy]

Are you intentionally avoiding answering my question?
Living with roommates doesn't necessarily guarantee you will be able to have parties or bring partners home, it depends entirely on the situation you live in. My friend lives with a roommate in an apartment. He gets noise complaints just for walking on the floor. You think he can throw a party in that situation? Meanwhile my parents are upstairs and I'm downstairs. They wouldn't give a shit if I had people over. Hell my mother will sometimes have parties herself on the weekend upstairs. In my situation, is there a really big difference in moving out with roommates vs living at home? Because my post where I asked the difference about living with roommates vs living at home, was a post where I was talking about my situation.

It sounds to me like your situation is very unique compared to the experience of most people living with their parents. I guess one difference between living with your folks and living in your own place is basically what other people think of you when you say you still live with your parents. If you don't care about that, more power to you I guess. I still think people should be encouraged to move out, because in most cases it has a lot of benefits from staying with your folks even if the financial burden is greater.

 

[KHlover]

Technically I still live with my parents, too. My job requires me to spend large amounts of time abroad, usually I'm home for two days once every two weeks. Renting my own flat in this situation would be pretty irresponsible financially, paying 100% of rent for a flat I use like 10-15% of the year at best.

 

[Rocketz]

I lived at home when until I was 20. Went to college for 5 years (came home during the summer for work) but found myself back home at my summer job as I was searching for a new job in a different state. It was almost 2 years before I landed the spot I'm at now. Finances were a super tight back then as my old job basically slowed down to nothing toward the end and student loan bills were sucking up all and then some my cash. Thankfully my fiances parents are extremely nice since at the time I moved up I couldn't afford a apartment and let me live with them. I was there about 7 months and had enough money saved up (and a promotion) to get an apartment. Been in it a few months now and it's been fantastic.

 

[balohna]

I moved out at 21, maybe slightly hasty but now at 27 I sort of feel like I have a handle on this "adult" thing. Like, actually cleaning up a bit and stuff like that.

There are lots of things I've learned and experiences I've had that to me feel worth the expense and the stress. One of those life experience things.

 

[Nokterian]

Let me tell you a story a co worker who is over 40 years old..he still lives at home with his parents. I moved out at when i went 27 years old and happy about it. I can't phantom to stay with my parents i love being on my own having my own agenda and privacy.

 

[travisbickle]

Are you intentionally avoiding answering my question?
Living with roommates doesn't necessarily guarantee you will be able to have parties or bring partners home, it depends entirely on the situation you live in. My friend lives with a roommate in an apartment. He gets noise complaints just for walking on the floor. You think he can throw a party in that situation? Meanwhile my parents are upstairs and I'm downstairs. They wouldn't give a shit if I had people over. Hell my mother will sometimes have parties herself on the weekend upstairs. In my situation, is there a really big difference in moving out with roommates vs living at home? Because my post where I asked the difference about living with roommates vs living at home, was a post where I was talking about my situation.

So you were being obtuse and deliberately not explaining your unique situation.

It's obvious that the majority of living circumstances have you interacting daily with the people you live with, and we're discussing how that would be different in a house with two parents and a little brother compared to three university friends for example.

And I also think that you saying you want privacy when you live on separate floors to your family shows you understand the consequences of living at home and can probably imagine how that would be if you weren't separated by a floor/ceiling.

 

[GamerJM]

How many baby birds stay in their parent's nest forever?

CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS.

But seriously, it's the natural order of things to stretch your own wings and fly. How many of you that still live at home have parents that were still living with THEIR parents at your age? Very few, I reckon. Like I said early in the thread, this is a very millennial thing.

I think my dad lived at home during a good chunk of his 20s or something. I'm not exactly sure though but I think my mom mentioned that he still lived with his mom when they started dating, when he was like 27, and he had his mom wait in line to get them tickets for a concert. But I know he had moved out for several years prior to that since he lived somewhere else when he was in college and after he graduated he got a job in that area too.

 

[Korey]

The biggest problem about living with your parents as an adult is what other people think of you.

If you don't care about that, then have at it.


Another big thing is not having the life experience of taking care of things that you'd have to if you lived alone. Things like taking care of bills, getting your own lease, doing all your groceries, preparing your own food all the time, etc. Adult things.

At some point you're gonna have to leave, right? When will that be?

 

[MWS Natural]

Moved out at 17...never looked back.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

How many baby birds stay in their parent's nest forever?

CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS.

But seriously, it's the natural order of things to stretch your own wings and fly. How many of you that still live at home have parents that were still living with THEIR parents at your age? Very few, I reckon. Like I said early in the thread, this is a very millennial thing.

This argument is so flawed there's no way to take it seriously.

Mah parents left home when they were 18 in 1960, why haven't you?

Get on with this bullshit. It probably sounded smarter in your head...

 

[kevm3]

Having money to pay off your debts and stash something away > impressing people by showing how 'independent' you are while being smothered by school loans and exorbitant rent. A lot of 'independent' folks end up having to get a roommate anyways. The times simply are not the same as when our parents grew up and when a single man could support a family on one income even without a college degree.

If you're living with your parents, just make sure not to be a leech and to give them some money every month. In the meanwhile, pay off whatever loans you have, save your money and move out when you have a job that is steady and you can easily afford rent. We're not living in the same sort of economic climate where it is easy for you to strike out on your own, so as long as you are actively making moves, paying off all loans, saving money and helping your parents out, then don't feel bad.

 

[phisheep]

If you've got a good relationship with your folks and living at home isn't impeding your social life that much, there's no real reason to move out other than personal preference.

Well there is one really good reason, if I can offer a slightly different perspective on this (and I'm not picking on you Ogodei, just wanted a post to hang this comment off).

See, I'm a parent in my late 50s - with two kids in their 20s still living at home. And a lot of the posts in this thread seem to kind of miss the parents' point of view. And it isn't just about paying rent and doing chores, it's about the parents' social life as well.

For example, there's a post somewhere here about waiting until the parents are asleep so you can have sex. But, um, when are the parents supposed to have sex eh? Kids can be kind of an inhibiting presence.

Ditto wild parties, ditto having people round, ditto having your own space. Ditto ditto all the way.

Of course, we loving parents wouldn't ever actually say that to you. But it is there all the same.

 

[brianjones]

Was 19 when I moved out, if I had of stayed there until 30 I would have committed suicide I'd say. Even if money is tight just leave man, 30 is waaayyyyy too long to still be with your parents and living in your own place is the greatest.

I lack the constitution for suicide

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Well there is one really good reason, if I can offer a slightly different perspective on this (and I'm not picking on you Ogodei, just wanted a post to hang this comment off).

See, I'm a parent in my late 50s - with two kids in their 20s still living at home. And a lot of the posts in this thread seem to kind of miss the parents' point of view. And it isn't just about paying rent and doing chores, it's about the parents' social life as well.

For example, there's a post somewhere here about waiting until the parents are asleep so you can have sex. But, um, when are the parents supposed to have sex eh? Kids can be kind of an inhibiting presence.

Ditto wild parties, ditto having people round, ditto having your own space. Ditto ditto all the way.

Of course, we loving parents wouldn't ever actually say that to you. But it is there all the same.

So why'd you have kids?

If you value these things so much, you had to have known they'd be a inhibiting presence on you doing them. Hard to argue this position after the fact when you chose to have kids and should have known they'd change your way of living.

 

[Ampersands]

I'm completely ignorant on this subject, but do housing prices have any chance of going down in the next 20 or so years? It seems like prices keep going up at a constant + ridiculous rate.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I'm completely ignorant on this subject, but do housing prices have any chance of going down in the next 20 or so years? It seems like prices keep going up at a constant + ridiculous rate.

A crash could happen and it does feel like we're overdue one, but who knows when it will happen. Prices right now are being artificially inflated due to lack of social housing, due to lack of affordable housing, etc.

 

[phisheep]

So why'd you have kids?

If you value these things so much, you had to have known they'd be a inhibiting presence on you doing them. Hard to argue this position after the fact when you chose to have kids and should have known they'd change your way of living.

They're great kids, don't get me wrong. Two of the nicest people I know.

But I suspect nearly nobody (and definitely not me!) goes into the having children thing with full foresight of the following 30 years.

 

[Jazzem]

Damn, this thread us full of confidence boosters as someone who's 25, unemployed and still at home...

 

[Miles Quaritch]

They're great kids, don't get me wrong. Two of the nicest people I know.

But I suspect nearly nobody (and definitely not me!) goes into the having children thing with full foresight of the following 30 years.

Given your age (and I don't mean in negative way), this is somewhat understandable. I don't imagine I would have thought in the 90s that the current situation would be as grim as it is.

Home prices were much more reasonable back then and home ownership was a real possibility for many, many people.

 

[SlickShoes]

Move out when you are younger if you fuck it up you can move back and steady the ship. If you stay at home and never move out you'll be on your own when your parents die, no safety net to fall back on.

Make your mistakes while you are young, staying at home until later in life isn't worth it unless you are saving money for something or taking care of someone that's ill.

 

[Scarecrow]

get out of the house. find the shittiest place you can afford.

 

[Ushay]

Save your money while you can. I moved out 2 years after I married when I was 28, it was great but like I said save while you can. Just take your time, you'll know when the right time is.

In my eyes there is nothing wrong with living at home, its where you were born (maybe?) and raised.

 

[Mendrox]

So why'd you have kids?

If you value these things so much, you had to have known they'd be a inhibiting presence on you doing them. Hard to argue this position after the fact when you chose to have kids and should have known they'd change your way of living.

That is not a good question. Some people just had the accident happen and don't like to abort - now what? Also people do not expect their children living with them for 30 years. I moved out because at age 20 I had the thought that it has to be annoying as shit that I am still living at home and taking a woman home? Get out with this shit.

Many people also forget the social status.

If somebody at my age told me that they are living at home I will laugh the shit out of them. Some of these people in this thread are lazy.

It's not okay to use your parents all your life long - give them back a little privacy too.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

That is not a good question. Some people just had the accident happen and don't like to abort - now what? Also people do not expect their children living with them for 30 years. I moved out because at age 20 I had the thought that it has to be annoying as shit that I am still living at home and taking a woman home? Get out with this shit.

Many people also forget the social status.

If somebody at my age told me that they are living at home I will laugh the shit out of them. Some of these people in this thread are lazy.

It's not okay to use your parents all your life long - give them back a little privacy too.

Kids don't happen by accident.

If you're having unprotected sex, you know getting pregnant will eventually happen. As for not wanting to abort, that's fine, but there are plenty of preventative options to stop you ever reaching that point.

Not using them is you and your partner both being irresponsible idiots.

 

[Symphonia]

Kids don't happen by accident.

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not.

 

[Mendrox]

Kids don't happen by accident.

Well that ends the discussion for me.

Guess not the best source http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-40-percent-us-births-unintended/story?id=16840288

 

[Foffy]

Yeah, but you're never going to change if all you seek is to be comfortable. You've gotta do things that scare you a little to live your life and grow. If you don't you just end up staying exactly where you are.

OP, move out and try it. Your parents probably won't have a problem if you need to move back in with them again at some point, but getting that independence is the best thing in the world.

I see a difference between comfortability and complacency. Comfortability might amount to something like contentedness, to feel enough is enough and that's all good. It's when complacency rolls in that things get sticky, for one become apathetic to interests, explorative efforts, and even trying anything new.

I think any problem in life between those two is a tightrope to walk on, because there's no true standard on being comfortably content and coasting along blindly, for one can always pry this from the outsider to infer either. One man's peace is another man's laziness.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not.

Well that ends the discussion for me.

Guess not the best source http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-40-percent-us-births-unintended/story?id=16840288

What I see is irresponsible people. How you can use this as an example of people having kids by accident is just plain weird.

Why are you excusing them of their stupidity?

 

[Jazzem]

If somebody at my age told me that they are living at home I will laugh the shit out of them. Some of these people in this thread are lazy.

...really? :/ Well if that smug superiority makes you feel better, sure...

 

[Symphonia]

What I see is irresponsible people. How you can use this as an example of people having kids by accident is just plain weird.

Why are you excusing them of their stupidity?

You are aware some pregnancies occur through a mishap with precum or through the use of a split condom? Not all pregnancies are planned or intentional. To imply that someone who accidentally gets pregnant is stupid is a fucking joke. Some people get raped, fall pregnant, and can't go through with an abortion. I guess that means they're stupid, too?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

You are aware some pregnancies occur through a mishap with precum or through the use of a split condom? Not all pregnancies are planned or intentional. To imply that someone who accidentally gets pregnant is stupid is a fucking joke. Some people get raped, fall pregnant, and can't go through with an abortion. I guess that means they're stupid, too?

Bringing rape victims into a discussion that has nothing to do with them to try and make a point? Be embarrassed this is where you have to go to try and make a point.

And yes, precum implies unprotected sex = irresponsible. Split condoms do happen, but how many pregnancies happen because of a split condom and who just uses condom as the only contraceptive measure?

 

[Symphonia]

Bringing rape victims into a discussion that has nothing to do with them to try and make a point? Be embarrassed this is where you have to go to try and make a point.

And yes, precum implies unprotected sex = irresponsible. Split condoms do happen, but how many pregnancies happen because of a split condom and who just uses condom as the only contraceptive measure?

No, I'm raising a legitimate point bringing rape into the discussion. You stated several times that women who get pregnant without planning it are stupid and irresponsible. So, I raise the point of women getting pregnant through sexual assault - are they stupid? Are they irresponsible for not getting an abortion? Some people get pregnant through no fault of their own. How you can sit there and judge them and call them stupid is beyond me.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

No, I'm raising a legitimate point bringing rape into the discussion. You stated several times that women who get pregnant without planning it are stupid and irresponsible. So, I raise the point of women getting pregnant through sexual assault - are they stupid? Are they irresponsible for not getting an abortion? Some people get pregnant through no fault of their own. How you can sit there and judge them and call them stupid is beyond me.

You're bringing them into a discussion where they aren't relevant to the topic at hand and you're doing so in a desperate attempt to try and make a point.

And I'm saying both parties are stupid for having kids by 'accident'. It's rather simple. If you're a couple and having unprotected sex you should know the chances of you having a baby are very high. If you're only using one form of contraception like a condom, you should know that the chances of pregnancy are still there.

It's not particularly difficult to understand. If you don't want kids, you take the appropriate measures to not have them. Kids don't happen by accident.

 

[Symphonia]

You're bringing them into a discussion where they aren't relevant to the topic at hand and you're doing so in a desperate attempt to try and make a point.

It's not particularly difficult to understand. If you don't want kids, you take the appropriate measures to not have them. Kids don't happen by accident.

How is it not relevant!? You have stated numerous fucking times that people who have sex without protection and get pregnant are stupid. Rapists do not use condoms. Women who are raped are not always on birth control, nor do they necessarily want children in their lives, but are made pregnant as a result of rape. So, by your logic, rape victims who fall pregnant are stupid? Gotcha.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

How is it not relevant!? You have stated numerous fucking times that people who have sex without protection and get pregnant are stupid. Rapists do not use condoms. Women who are raped are not always on birth control, nor do they necessarily want children in their lives, but are made pregnant as a result of rape. So, by your logic, rape victims who fall pregnant are stupid? Gotcha.

In the context of being in a relationship and not being responsible when it comes to contraception, but of course you knew this and still decided to try and make the comments about more than what they were because making a stupid ass point is more important to you than understanding the context the comments were initially made in.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

Moving out this year, 28 here, though I lived with my wife for 2 years in China before that.

From what I can see it seems quite normal nowadays in Germany, especially if you study.
Usually the ones who studied and moved out either had rich parents or had to have one or two part time jobs besides university.

 

[Symphonia]

In the context of being in a relationship and not being responsible when it comes to contraception, but of course you knew this and still decided to try and make the comments about more than what they were because making a stupid ass point is more important to you than understanding the context the comments were initially made in.

I just take offense to the way you insinuate all people who get pregnant unintentionally are stupid.