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[teruterubozu]

Sanders is everything but a Democrat, apparently.

 

[fantomena]

Sanders is everything but a Democrat, apparently.

So what is he?

 

[nib95]

Nah, Reddit just loves anti-establishment. And nothing says "anti-establishment" like an old, white, male politician who promises to fix America.

I don't think being old or white has much, if anything to do with Bernie's popularity, but the anti-establishment part is certainly right, on top of just generally being closer to an actual socialist, or being more left leaning. There's fewer honest brokers such as Bernie left in the game, and I'd argue he's sort of in that similar rare category of politician like Elizabeth Warren for example, and it's refreshing to see him garner the support he even has.

As a Brit, I'm actually sort of surprised he's not outright winning, but then again, with the US being as backwards and financially incentivised as it is politically speaking, I suppose I shouldn't be. I mean, Socialist was (and to many people still is) an evil word in American politics, and for Bernie to basically run on being a Democratic Socialist, was ballsy from the offset, as were and are the majority of his positions, on healthcare, on big business, on foreign policy, social services, privacy, military engagements and so on and so on. He's also one of those rare candidates who has been amazingly consistent (especially as far as politicians go) in many of his positions, since earlier days, which I suppose is even scarier for the establishment. This isn't and wasn't going to be someone they could as easily influence, buy off or easily sway, instead he appears to be a more moralistic and principled politician than we're generally used to, so I suppose he was always going to have more of a target on his back the moment he gained steam, from both sides of the establishment, not just the one.

I'd imagine many Democrats who still believe they're truly left wing, will continue to be fooled in to thinking America isn't ready for it yet, not realising they were ready all along, and that it's sometimes the attempt, chance and opportunity that's more important than the result.

 

[iamBlkpleAsedoNt]

I may be wrong in this but it feels like the some of people saying no one should be offended are not black, while the majority of those who are seem to be offended are black. I'm black, I know exactly what he meant but the statement still invokes feelings of casual racism inside me regardless of his intent.

If Faux News said that black people shouldn't be offended by something we would be all over them telling them they don't have a right or understanding to tell minorities how they "should feel".

 

[derder]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...its_like_to_live_in_a_ghetto_and_be_poor.html

That's the context? Cmon guys

 

[Volimar]

Honestly the white people don't know what's It's like to be poor comment was even more tone deaf and was what happens when you try to pander too hard to people

Racism and discrimination extend so far much further than income inequality and Bernie can't grasp that

So much this. He's put all his eggs in the income inequality basket for so long that his responses outside of that wheelhouse tend to come off pretty bad.

 

[Primethius]

I don't think being old or white has much, if anything to do with Bernie's popularity, but the anti-establishment part is certainly right, on top of just generally being closer to an actual socialist, or being more left leaning. There's fewer honest brokers such as Bernie left in the game, and I'd argue he's sort of in that similar rare category of politician like Elizabeth Warren for example, and it's refreshing to see him garner the support he even has.

As a Brit, I'm actually sort of surprised he's not outright winning, but then again, with the US being as backwards and financially incentivised as it is politically speaking, I suppose I shouldn't be. I mean, Socialist was (and to many people still is) an evil word in American politics, and for Bernie to basically run on being a Democratic Socialist, was ballsy from the offset, as were and are the majority of his positions, on healthcare, on big business, on foreign policy, social services, privacy, military engagements and so on and so on. He's also one of those rare candidates who has been amazingly consistent (especially as far as politicians go) in many of his positions, since earlier days, which I suppose is even scarier for the establishment. This isn't and wasn't going to be someone they could as easily influence, buy off or easily sway, instead he appears to be a more moralistic and principled politician than we're generally used to, so I suppose he was always going to have more of a target on his back the moment he gained steam, from both sides of the establishment, not just the one.

I'd imagine many Democrats who still believe they're truly left wing, will continue to be fooled in to thinking America isn't ready for it yet, not realising they were ready all along, and that it's sometimes the attempt, chance and opportunity that's more important than the result.

I presume many, like me, also perhaps don't care for the attempt at all. I agree with Bernie more then I do Hillary. I'd still vote for Hillary over Bernie because I think she's the better politician and would make the better president.

Why would me being left wing automatically put me in Bernies camp of idealistic yet unrealistic policy goals? Why would the attempt mater more to me then actual policy implementation?

But perhaps I'm not left wing enough seeing as I'd rather settle for compromise then nothing at all.

 

[nib95]

So much this. He's put all his eggs in the income inequality basket for so long that his responses outside of that wheelhouse tend to come off pretty bad.

I don't think that's it at all, I think he just realises how intrinsic income equality is to so many countless social factors, and puts a certain degree of priority on it (with good reason). Whilst this research is out of date (and is actually worse off today since such a large portion of the rich essentially continuously got vastly wealthier post economic crash, and with the income inequality gap presently being the highest it's been in the US since the 1920's), I think it's still highly poignant.

Richard Wilkinson: How economic inequality harms societies

 

[ItWillGetBetter]

I like when people overreact. It makes me feel a lot more like a normal rational person.

 

[richiek]

Sanders leans...libertarian??? On aspects of his social and foreign policy, sure, but other than that, I don't think that's what most libertarians would identify with.

Don't forget that Bernie is pro-gun rights.

 

[Amir0x]

What an awful, awful post. He already has more "dignity" than every other candidate running on either side, whether he wins or not. How about let democracy be democracy, and let him continue to pull the democratic party, and it's support, further towards the left?

You mean just discuss going left, because the second Hillary is nominated she'll be moving back toward the center. As all good election candidates do if they want to actually be elected. So he will have effectively achieved nothing in the end. We'll barely even be having a conversation about his ideals in a few weeks. Letting Democracy be democracy doesn't mean you don't call for a candidate to drop out once he has done all the good he can do, especially if he will harm better candidates who actually have a shot at the GE, and especially if he's going to pollute the good ideas he has with the controversies. He has to make the decision, but there's nothing undemocratic about it. It is in fact a practice as old as our election system.

His problematic issue with race is ruining any so-called "dignity" he (or people like you) believes he has. Once is a accident, but there are repeated and maintained stories about his issues on this subject and these types of comments reinforce it. At the very least, this demonstrates why it's no surprise he has such difficulty getting votes from that bloc, and why he never will.

 

[spwolf]

While worded poorly, his comments about white people not knowing poverty are sorta true. White families that make 20,000 live in better neighborhoods than black families making 50,000.

You have to live in your own world if you think there are no poor white people in the states. When I lived in Alabama, there were huge trailer parks everywhere.

Regardless, this is about Bernie and nobody should say that on the TV. It is not about being right or wrong, it is about associating black communities with "ghetto". He should be smarter than that.

 

[spwolf]

I don't think being old or white has much, if anything to do with Bernie's popularity, but the anti-establishment part is certainly right, on top of just generally being closer to an actual socialist, or being more left leaning.

He is certainly a populist, thats why he is so popular.

His promises include "free" schools, "free" healthcare and punishing "establishment", "rich", "corporations".

Who would not vote for him?

Problem is that there is no way he can achieve his promises and his suggestions on how much it would all cost are either incredibly naive or outright deceptions. Dont know which one is worst.

When you are as old as Bernie and in politics for all of your life, I dont think it is right to call him "idealist", he is populist.

I am not saying Hillary is better (but she does not promise unattainable) and certainly both are way more sane than opposing camp.

As to Europe, not sure if he would be left or right here. Everyone here is for free schools and high taxes .

 

[noshten]

For a candidate with no chances WP seems to be taking him pretty seriously

Washington Post Ran 16 Negative Stories on Bernie Sanders in 16 Hours

In what has to be some kind of record, the Washington Post ran 16 negative stories on Bernie Sanders in 16 hours, between roughly 10:20 PM EST Sunday, March 6, to 3:54 PM EST Monday, March 7—a window that includes the crucial Democratic debate in Flint, Michigan, and the next morning’s spin:

All of these posts paint his candidacy in a negative light, mainly by advancing the narrative that he’s a clueless white man incapable of winning over people of color or speaking to women. Even the one article about Sanders beating Trump implies this is somehow a surprise—despite the fact that Sanders consistently out-polls Hillary Clinton against the New York businessman.

http://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-stories-on-bernie-sanders-in-16-hours/

 

[gutter_trash]

So what is he?

an Independent running as a Democrat

 

[Tesseract]

For a candidate with no chances WP seems to be taking him pretty seriously

Washington Post Ran 16 Negative Stories on Bernie Sanders in 16 Hours

http://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-stories-on-bernie-sanders-in-16-hours/

not surprised

 

[Always-honest]

So this will be the end of his run for president? Holy shit, considering all the stuff Trump says.

 

[Infinite]

For a candidate with no chances WP seems to be taking him pretty seriously

Washington Post Ran 16 Negative Stories on Bernie Sanders in 16 Hours

http://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-stories-on-bernie-sanders-in-16-hours/

Are any of those stories lies?

 

[Par Score]

As a Brit, I'm actually sort of surprised he's not outright winning, but then again, with the US being as backwards and financially incentivised as it is politically speaking, I suppose I shouldn't be. I mean, Socialist was (and to many people still is) an evil word in American politics, and for Bernie to basically run on being a Democratic Socialist, was ballsy from the offset, as were and are the majority of his positions, on healthcare, on big business, on foreign policy, social services, privacy, military engagements and so on and so on. He's also one of those rare candidates who has been amazingly consistent (especially as far as politicians go) in many of his positions, since earlier days, which I suppose is even scarier for the establishment. This isn't and wasn't going to be someone they could as easily influence, buy off or easily sway, instead he appears to be a more moralistic and principled politician than we're generally used to, so I suppose he was always going to have more of a target on his back the moment he gained steam, from both sides of the establishment, not just the one.

Oh yes, because Comrade Corbyn is bloody well storming to victory over here isn't he?

Not like we've got a right-wing government running roughshod over Public Services and the welfare state and being rewarded with re-election is it?

Get off your sanctimonious high horse.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

Not at all. In all likelyhood, Clinton will take the nom, but it's still a race whether people are comfortable with that reality or not. Superdelegates will not go against the people's will or it'll be a shit-show.

True delegate count is what matters.

^ If you look at this and see a race that's "over", I don't know what'll convince you to look beyond GAF rhetoric.

The problem is that no one in a primary has overcome this deficit before. Not even close. And it'll grow on the 15th to nearly double the largest comeback ever. What you're saying is that it's possible to break a record by double what it's been before, and while that's technically true, you can file it in the same category as Hillary getting struck by lightning next week (it's definitely non-zero!).

Because it's a greater gap than Obama ever had and Clinton was done after Super Tuesday in 08? And because the porportional nature of the Dem campaign makes it extremely difficult to make up a gap that large?

It's not GAF rhetoric. It's reality. The Dem side has no winner take all races.

This too. Bernie has to win every contest from here on with over 53% of the vote. That gets worse as he loses more states.

 

[Arkeband]

For a candidate with no chances WP seems to be taking him pretty seriously

Washington Post Ran 16 Negative Stories on Bernie Sanders in 16 Hours

http://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-stories-on-bernie-sanders-in-16-hours/

Sounds like WaPo took all of Hillary's campaign's "tips" for stories and decided to publish every last one of them.

Her campaign was already called out for doing this with the Burlington Free Press.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/...per-pac-offers-off-record-news-tips/79131372/

 

[Kaydan]

The problem is that no one in a primary has overcome this deficit before. Not even close. And it'll grow on the 15th to nearly double the largest comeback ever. What you're saying is that it's possible to break a record by double what it's been before, and while that's technically true, you can file it in the same category as Hillary getting struck by lightning next week (it's definitely non-zero!).

This is because the primaries are usually more than a two horse race. A 200 delegate lead is very big in a 3 or more horse race, not so much in a 2 horse race.

 

[cheezcake]

Are any of those stories lies?

Did you not read the headlines? A chunk are opinion pieces and most are just hilariously skewed fluff pieces.

 

[Arkeband]

Don't forget that Bernie is pro-gun rights.

Q: Let's talk about the gun issue. You've called for moderation in this saying that you think you can bring both sides together.

SANDERS: I wouldn't use the word, "moderation." That's not quite the right word. This is what I do believe. I come from a state that has virtually no gun control. And yet, at political peril, I voted for an instant background check, which I want to see strengthened and expanded. I voted to ban certain types of assault weapons, which are designed only to kill people. I voted to end the so-called gun show loophole. What I think there needs to be is a dialogue. And here's what I do believe: I believe what I call common sense gun reform

So pro-gun! I can't tell the difference between him and a Republican!!!

 

[flkraven]

This is because the primaries are usually more than a two horse race. A 200 delegate lead is very big in a 3 or more horse race, not so much in a 2 horse race.

Is this false hope? Optimistic delusion? No one has ever comeback from a delegate deficit of this magnitude. Not even close. 1 horse 2 horse 3 horse 4. What is the 2 vs 3 horse evidence based on?

 

[Thug Waffle]

Whats wrong with what he said?



Is this not true?

Nothing.

And yeah, it's absolutely true.

This is NeoGAF, though.

 

[Infinite]

Did you not read the headlines? A chunk are opinion pieces and most are just hilariously skewed fluff pieces.

That's not what I asked. Lemme rephrase, are any of those stories lies as in completely made up?

 

[excelsiorlef]

And again we disagree. This isn't 2008. As I've said, Obama was consistently gaining on Clinton in the polls in 2008 when it was suggested she drop out.

While Clinton is leading by more than Obama was in 08, in 2016, Bernie is the one gaining on her. A month ago he was far behind many of the states he has just won.

If this were a foot-race, Clinton has the head-start, but Sanders has the speed. Thing is, she's really close to the finish-line and will probably get there even if Comrade Sanders is gaining on her.

Sanders had a net loss of ground over the weekend

 

[tkscz]

Whats wrong with what he said?



Is this not true?

That part is true from an outsider's perspective. Speaking as someone who calls the ghetto his home, yeah, it's majority black but there are white people here. Hell, I'd even say at least we're not as poor as trailer parks or the Appalachian mountain area. Now THAT is poor.

 

[Jag]

That's not what I asked. Lemme rephrase, are any of those stories lies as in completely made up?

You are missing the point. They may be true. They may be skewed. But the sheer volume of negative posts centered on only one candidate is clearly designed to destroy that candidate. That's what WaPo is doing. They could do the same thing with Hillary. Except her mishaps would far surpass Sanders.

 

[noshten]

Sanders had a net loss of ground over the weekend

Once again you lie, just like you did about SC and just the way you did about Flint. He gained 2 delegates over the weekend so even if its not a substantial gaining of ground you are still choosing to lie about it.

 

[iamBlkpleAsedoNt]

While worded poorly, his comments about white people not knowing poverty are sorta true. White families that make 20,000 live in better neighborhoods than black families making 50,000.

This is true to a certain measure. Blacks in poverty tend to live in urban areas which often means the immediate neighborhood is in poverty, high density, and higher crime rates due to the afore mentioned factors.

Poorer whites by contrast tend to live in more rural areas when the million dollars houses could be a half mile down the road from the trailer park. In this circumstance where you would normally see less infrastructure in the poor white area, you have move affluent neighbors who can finance the school systems and infrastructure of poorer rural white communities.

 

[Infinite]

You are missing the point. They may be true. They may be skewed. But the sheer volume of negative posts centered on only one candidate is clearly designed to destroy that candidate. That's what WaPo is doing. They could do the same thing with Hillary. Except her mishaps would far surpass Sanders.

Would anyone even complain if this was done to Hillary?

 

[flkraven]

This is true to a certain measure. Blacks in poverty tend to live in urban areas which often means the immediate neighborhood is in poverty, high density, and higher crime rates due to the afore mentioned factors.

Poor little whites by contrast tend to leave in more rural areas when the million dollars houses could be a half mile down the road from the trailer park. In this circumstance where you would normally see less infrastructure in the poor white area, you have move affluent neighbors who can finance the school systems and infrastructure of poorer rural white communities.

lol what?

 

[cheezcake]

That's not what I asked. Lemme rephrase, are any of those stories lies as in completely made up?

You're asking whether an opinion is a lie? Of course not. What about the other pieces, I think any attempt at trying to show Bernie is similar to Ted Cruz or Donald Trump because they may have said something similar at some time if you ignore context absolutely an intention to mislead the audience, it may not fit the dictionary definition of a lie but the effect is the same.

 

[Real Hero]

Would anyone even complain if this was done to Hillary?

It wouldn't be done to her, that's the point

 

[hollomat]

It's basically implying unintentionally that being black means you are poor and that white people do not have the "problem" of being poor. For those who know Bernie Sanders they understand he meant no harm. For those who he is trying to appeal to it could be a turn off and seen as patronizing. In the US the well meaning I advert racism seems to be more readily tolerated and accepted. I am in no ways calling Bernie a racist but some of his white base and the African American community will take it to mean what I stated above. Trust me there are a portion as well meaning naive liberal leaning individuals who would interpret it as wide spread poverty is a minority exclusive problem.

Thanks. That was as what I thought but wanted to make sure I wasn't misinterpreting it.

 

[masud]

He was right though? Ghettos are urban ethnic slums. In America poor urban white neighborhoods aren't really a thing anymore, at least not in any significant numbers. Now saying white people don't know what it's like to be poor is wrong but I don't see any problem with the ghetto part.

 

[royalan]

It wouldn't be done to her, that's the point

LOL

Go to Google.

Type in "Hillary Clinton Loses New Hampshire"

Brace yourself for the tidal wave of "THE FRONT RUNNER HAS FALLEN!" articles.

It can and has happened to Hillary. It just hasn't happened lately because her path to the nomination has been rather smooth. Since Nevada her campaign has done what it needed to do. The mistakes are all being made on Bernie's end at this point.

 

[Infinite]

It wouldn't be done to her, that's the point

That's not remotely true.

 

[tkscz]

He was right though? Ghettos are urban ethnic slums. In America poor urban white neighborhoods aren't really a thing anymore, at least not in any significant numbers. Now saying white people don't know what it's like to be poor is wrong but I don't see any problem with the ghetto part.

You should go around the US more often. The majority of white people in the US are poor, whether they make more than black people or not. Things like trailer parks are still abundant and poor rural areas are also majority white. The entirety of the Appalachian areas are full of incredibly poor people, mostly white. While inner city low income areas are majority black, there is still a minority of white people who live in these areas.

 

[flintstryker]

For a candidate with no chances WP seems to be taking him pretty seriously

Washington Post Ran 16 Negative Stories on Bernie Sanders in 16 Hours

http://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-stories-on-bernie-sanders-in-16-hours/

Lol are they trying to outdo Fox News?

 

[Real Hero]

The mistakes are all being made on Bernie's end at this point.

I do agree with that, he's basically wasted all the momentum behind him.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Once again you lie, just like you did about SC and just the way you did about Flint. He gained 2 delegates over the weekend so even if its not a substantial gaining of ground you are still choosing to lie about it.

Shit I forgot about Maine I was out of it on Sunday. My mistake. He gained 3 actually.

I apologize.

 

[Infinite]

You're asking whether an opinion is a lie? Of course not. What about the other pieces, I think any attempt at trying to show Bernie is similar to Ted Cruz or Donald Trump because they may have said something similar at some time if you ignore context absolutely an intention to mislead the audience, it may not fit the dictionary definition of a lie but the effect is the same.

Did you read the article you're referring to?

 

[lednerg]

Bernie's racist against white people.

 

[iamBlkpleAsedoNt]

lol what?

Autocorrect on phone changing it now, thanks

 

[Sheriff_Battlesnake]

I think my mind shoots to the Jewish ghetto, which shows what a bang up job out school system is doing about our current state of affairs. Hell, until this kerfluffle I didn't even realize that was my brain wiring.

Also look at how his "100x better than any Republican candidate" has been reported as "100x better than any Republican" or "100x better than any GOP" which blatantly means something different.

 

[illusionspark]

You mean just discuss going left, because the second Hillary is nominated she'll be moving back toward the center.

So what you're saying is that Bernie pulled her to the left, but when he's out of the race, she will change her mind on a lot of issues and move to the center? You seem perfectly okay with that. How can you be? You seem very satisfied by that fact. I don't think I'll get anything close to a coherent answer, but I thought at least I'd try.

 

[flkraven]

Autocorrect on phone changing it now, thanks

Ah, I see. Happens to me too!