Bernie Sanders clarifies his statement about ghettos
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Isn't he just referencing the African American/Black communities are more prone to being brought up in areas of lower social-economical public housing as a result of being poor and misrepresented/mistreated in society, and that Whites aren't as susceptible to it as they often are well represented/well treated in society?
Is that wrong?
And since when has "ghetto" been a bad word? Is "the projects" a bad term too?
How am I supposed to be offended?
Returning to your good posts from when you were a mod I see.
Is that wrong?
And since when has "ghetto" been a bad word? Is "the projects" a bad term too?
How am I supposed to be offended?
Returning to your good posts from when you were a mod I see.
Aaronrules380
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But why is that negative unless you imply that this is the truth for all blacks, or that being poor is entirely o. The poor person? The first didn't really happen from how I here it, and the 2nd runs counter to my understanding of Bernice's platform.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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It's not surprising non-black people have no problem with the characterization of black communities as ghettos for expedient political purposes, and it's consistent with his focus on income inequality as the main problem even though there are other factors.
LegendofLex
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I can see how the way he framed his statement leaves out the reality that ghettos are ghettos because of oppression and segregation and makes it sound like they became that way because black people live there.
Yes, I agree that come November it is crucial that everyone remembers to not let perfect be the mortal enemy of good.
Trojita
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More likely the statement was made to say that not all African American communities are ghettos, but when someone talks about a place where a minority group is pressured to live in because of social, legal, or economics reasons in America (the literal definition of a ghetto) that is usually going to be disenfranchised African American people.
Poor white areas and ghettos aren't the same things. Still isn't a good look for him at all.
Aaronrules380
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I don't see it. He equated poor communities with being predominantly African American, not African American communities being predominantly poor. Those are two entirely seperate things
metalslimer
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Honestly the white people don't know what's It's like to be poor comment was even more tone deaf and was what happens when you try to pander too hard to people
Racism and discrimination extend so far much further than income inequality and Bernie can't grasp that
Racism and discrimination extend so far much further than income inequality and Bernie can't grasp that
Racial inequality is often framed in the context of economic disenfranchisement. It is meant to be an indictment of systematic racism, not black people.
UnemployedVillain
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This is a board that acknowledges that white privilege is a thing, yet doesn't seem to really understand what that amounts to...Yes, white people can be poor, and the "same" poor as black people, but income disparity, racial bias in loan acceptances, differences in funding for primarily black areas
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and people are trying to make this into something it isn't
Aaronrules380
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But he didn't from what I can see. If I say all Dolphins are whales, that doesn't mean all whales are Dolphins. The only group I see being marginalized is poor white people in this situation
Even more bizarre because he talked about growing up poor earlier in the debate.
The Technomancer
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Not even touching this one other than to say that its not about technical accuracy, its about optics
It is framed that way by liberals who choose to gloss over a lot of minroty issues.
Folks that like to frame racism as a class issue.
Bernie Sanders:
What I meant to say, is when you talk about ghettos, traditionally what youre talking about is African-American communities.
The structure of the sentence is as follows.
When I say ghetto, I mean african american communities.
He was clarifying his use of the term ghetto.
redmetal86
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When was this?
Bruce Springsteen
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Which was really a media moment, it was nothing but the media would not shut the fuck up about , it was treated as if he was getting a BJ on stage
Aaronrules380
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i mean this is All definitely true, but I don't see how it's relevant to the current issue of Bernie's statement. I'm not a Bernie supporter and I don't know how his ideas have or have not ignored those things either. But that's not really relevant to the current issue
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The Everyman
you feel that bernie sanders was implying that all african americans are poor and only african americans are poor? really?
Read again, and I see what you mean. Seems to be more of a badly worded mistake, than a statement with malicious intent tho. A big blunder, certainly.
Pretty much. Also by very definition white people in The USA can't conform a ghetto. And it's why there are no actual ghettos in countries were there's no systematic racial issues and divides like it's the USA
SpideySenses
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His campaign ads get threads too, for better or worse everything he does good or bad is being equally scrutinized.
metalslimer
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It's pretty clear that he views racism through the lens of income inequality
Massive Duck. C.M.
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That's decidedly much better.
Gordon Shumway
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#Obama'sGhetto
This is a much better clarification, and I don't think Bernie deserves any dogpiling (even if my posts were in on it). But his "original" clarification as reported in the OP was atrocious.
Big Baybee
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I'm sorry, but if you can't find anything wrong with what he said you may just be full of shit. And he doubled down! Lol
The Technomancer
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Its almost like the political process puts every candidate through an often unfair wringer that twists everything in the worst possible light
And perhaps one candidate has been dealing with this for almost 20 years
Thought I did, turns out I didn't. Reading the full thing now and it seems like he was talking about white privilege.
SolarPowered
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Some forms of poverty are different just like with police brutality or immigration. Someone growing up in a more stable low income neighborhood with little gang violence might not be able to fully relate to someone growing up in places stuffed full of organized and violent crime. Some people who spend their entire lives getting along with police until one unfortunate day certainly can't understand the experiences of low incoming minorities that have been scared of the police since before they hit puberty. I came to the US as a baby through legal immigration and I don't think I could ever hope to fully understand what it's like to live as an illegal immigrant that is forced to earn 1/8th of the minimum wage or face deportation.
So you agree. Good. The latter part of your post had nothing to do with what Bernie actually said.
Morrigan Stark
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I thought he equivocated poor African-American communities with ghettos, specifically?
I get that's what he was probably trying to say. Instead he just boiled it down to "whites don't know what it's like to live in a ghetto or be poor."
He couldn't have worded the response worse if he tried.
Silver Arrows
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sure, most be those damn hilldawg supporters
SlackAdjuster
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Not even a Bernie fan. Not a fan of any of these circus sideshows to be honest but is it really surprising these are the candidates we're getting for one of the, if not THEE most esteemed position in the world? When people pick apart every god damn word you say, every move you make, every breath you take, they'll be watching you?
Who the hell would really wanna be the POTUS at this time? I'm sure there are a bunch of people who are qualified but is it really worth all the constant scrutiny in the end? A large portion of it being petty bullshit? The never ending bickering back and forth between people over it? Meh, you can keep that job.
Do we? He had all night to clarify what he wanted to say. We waited. And the best he came up with was to double down on the statement that aligns AA to the stereotype, but not the poor of any creed or color? Last time I checked the definition wasn't explicitly about one minority or another. Who rewrote the definition so that statements like this are not just acceptable, but are absorbed by the masses as if they were fact ?
SoulUnison
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Is it really that hard to separate his point from the literal words he used?
Dude has been a passionate powerhouse this entire campaign, running on energy he's digging down to find who-knows-where.
I think his record and integrity speak well enough that he stands for the disenfranchised, regardless of race, far better than a poorly specific sentence.
And besides, if we're really zeroing in on "gaffes" and "embarrassing sound bites," then I think it speaks that this is being blown so out of proportion, because there's nothing much else to criticize him on.
Dude has been a passionate powerhouse this entire campaign, running on energy he's digging down to find who-knows-where.
I think his record and integrity speak well enough that he stands for the disenfranchised, regardless of race, far better than a poorly specific sentence.
And besides, if we're really zeroing in on "gaffes" and "embarrassing sound bites," then I think it speaks that this is being blown so out of proportion, because there's nothing much else to criticize him on.
Gordon Shumway
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Suikoguy
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That makes less sense.
How on earth would anybody hearing that segment think he was talking about police?
Still a better response then repeating what he had said though.
SolarPowered
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Yeah, he's just not as good at explaining himself like Hillary. She really beats him in the verbal department and foreign policy. It's not even a contest on those two.
EatinOlives
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Who is NeoGAF?
UnemployedVillain
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But it does. A ghetto isn't just a poor neighborhood. It's a poor minority neighborhood, meaning it includes all the social underpinnings that that entails. Yes, there are white people in ghettos too, but they're defined by being mostly minorities
This is akin to if someone said "White people don't know what it's like to be profiled by police" and people got angry saying "Minorities aren't the only ones profiled!" or "I was profiled as a teenager by police before!". They're responses that show, in my opinion, a lack of understanding of the underlying intent of the statement
Silver Arrows
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A hivemind of minorities that haven't been shown the light of Bernie, of course! /s
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