Massive ongoing protest in Chicago makes Trump "postpone" his event

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Pepboy said:
For the first question, I am not sure which refernce to violence you are referring to in my original post, as I used the word in mulitple locations.

For the third question, what would this country be if every difference of opinion was settled via violence?
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The fact that you see this as mere "difference of opinion" says it all.
 
TheSpoiler said:
This smacks of a person who's never had to deal with any sort of racism, institutionalized or flagrant. This is some ivory tower, "I know how you feel but please don't remind me it exists" bullshit.

This isn't a riot. This is a protest. A riot is burning cars, mass fights, broken store windows and looting. None of that is happening here save for a few opportunistic shuffles but is largely peaceful.

You can flip this narrative all you like because you feel uncomfortable, but the fact remains that people will no longer sit in their houses and keep it away from your eyes because you feel bad.

Deal with it, as minorities have been doing for ages.
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I have encountered more than my share of racism in my life, thanks.

How do you know this would not have turned into a riot? It was cancelled amidst security concerns due to that very fear, wasn't it? I don't know what delineates peaceful and repectful protest from a riot to you, but an event such as this would in no way be cancelled unless the atmosphere surrounding it wasn't indicative and conducive of prospective violent action had it not been. That you would argue this point smacks to me of a person that either doesn't wish to acknowledge this reality of which you sit in contempt of others in opposition, or simply desires to ignore it completely.

I don't feel uncomfortable by the way, just disappointed. There is nothing that has occurred here that's admirable.
 
Thoraxes said:
Hillary on twitter:
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Nice (no sarcasm here). It will be interesting if Trump and Hillary become the nominees if she will outright say he's promoting racism and bigotry? She hasn't gone that far yet.
 
FlyinJ said:
So what if it happens twice? Three times? Ten times? And the person running the rallies where this violence happens not only condones it, but encourages it?

People should just shrug and say "well, that's just what Trump people do... no reason to get bent out of shape!"
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Attacking people unprovoked isn't a good method on either side, but I can tell you the black protestor that got hit in the face with a sucker punch did much more good for the movement to stop Trump than seeing protestors beat up Trump supporters for no reason other than the man they support for President.
 
I just got back from a David Cross show in KC in the same theater Trump's going to be in tomorrow. I hope there's no violence downtown.
 
Jesus, now that's the second time I've seen in this thread "sure, it wasn't a riot... but it COULD of been a riot!!!"

That's not how this works.
That's not how any of this works.
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
I have encountered more than my share of racism in my life, thanks.

How do you know this would not have turned into a riot? It was cancelled amidst security concerns due to that very fear, wasn't it? I don't know what delineates peaceful and repectful protest from a riot to you, but an event such as this would in no way be cancelled unless the atmosphere surrounding it wasn't indicative and conducive of prospective violent action had it not been. That you would argue this point smacks to me of a person that either doesn't wish to acknowledge this reality of which you sit in contempt of others in opposition, or simply desires to ignore it completely.

I don't feel uncomfortable by the way, just disappointed. There is nothing that has occurred here that's admirable.
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are you fucking kidding me? standing up to the most famous, wealthy racist man in America isn't admirable? because they don't have permits?

fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck


Pepboy said:
Yes, I believe in disrupting injustice in a peaceful way and letting an injust opponent be the one to make it disorderly, if they choose to. I do not believe in a "positive peace" that exists solely via ongoing violence, because I believe violence has a way of escalating out of control until one is no longer at peace. I believe there are direct actions which are both more effective and also peaceful in nature. I also do not believe in setting the timetable for another man's freedom -- I am not saying they should not protest. Only that it be done in accordance to rules which have been established to prevent the violence which historically otherwise ensues. If there is injustice, it can be demonstrated without protestors attacking -- and often us demonstrated by protestors being attacked. As a side note, I am surprised you are quoting MLK when it feels your guiding philosophy is more motivated by Malcom X.
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by who?

because it's not the victims making these rules

i'm out, night y'all - to all of you in America fighting this, good luck. Honestly. I didn't think it'd ever get this far but you need support and understanding, and not to waste your time on these pointless diatribes.
 
inner-G said:
FOX News is saying the protesters are peaceful and are interviewing them.

Bizarro world
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Fox News has become the "lesser tier villain drawing a line and opposing the higher tier villain" for the past few months and I'm all for it. I just worry that their tune will change once the general election rolls around.
 
girlfriendofagamer said:
You should only protest here

Or You should only protest there...

How about you only protest in this chair

Or why not wait to protest at the 2018 county fair?

You should only protest with a permit

Maybe you should protest with better verbiage

You should protest only in this box

Actually you should try protesting with a fox

Have you tried protesting only on the Internet?

Aren't you tired of all this protesting yet?


Stop telling me how to fucking protest Sam I Am...

How about I protest where I stand.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zas9cnWPYE0
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
I have encountered more than my share of racism in my life, thanks.

How do you know this would not have turned into a riot? It was cancelled amidst security concerns due to that very fear, wasn't it? I don't know what delineates peaceful and repectful protest from a riot to you, but an event such as this would in no way be cancelled unless the atmosphere surrounding it wasn't indicative and conducive of prospective violent action had it not been. That you would argue this point smacks of me of a person that either doesn't wish to acknowledge this reality of which they sit in contempt of others in opposition, or simply desires to ignore it completely.

I don't feel uncomfortable by the way, just disappointed. There is nothing that has occurred here that's admirable.
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Christ, it was a group of people singing and chanting together against a rally for a hateful man seeking power. Are you fucking serious with this "disappointed" and "nothing admirable" shit? This was such a tame protest considering the reason and the amount of people involved.
 
Pepboy said:
I am sorry I did not have time to reply to your previous post. However on rereading it, I am not sure I understood it either -- the onus is on Trump supporters because googling should show he's not a candidate worth supporting? Sorry I am on the phone so I don't have the full post in front of me.

Yes, protestors have been attacked at Trump rallies, which is incorrigible to say the least. And I believe was effective in winning over moderates who do not want to see their country explode in president endorsed violence against minorities.

But to my knowledge, those protestors followed the rules we have developed as a society regarding protest (perhaps not?). Once protestors are attacking the ones they protest, it is no longer peaceful freedom of speech. Part of that is giving physical space to individuals who share an opposing viewpoint -- enough space to minimize the risks of violence.

Just because Trump supporters attacked protestors at previous events does not make it justified to then attack back. It only lowers protestors to their level of engaging in violence for personal beliefs, which I believe is unnecessary to do under our current society. If a bully attacks me one day, it is no longer self defense to come another day and pre-emptively engage in violence. We might feel on an emotional level that the bully got his just desserts, but when there are other recourses of action available, I do not believe the violence is morally justified.
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No. You did not read correctly. My previous post clearly states the onus is not on trump supporters because they will support trump no matter what.

The onus is on all the moderate viewers of tonight's event. A few minutes on Google can get you up to speed with the history of Trump rally behavior and basic reading comprehension will allow someone to understand the context of what's going on to have a more educated opinion on things.

As for the fights that happened tonight, I haven't taken a look in depth regarding them. Those are easy to disparage but to accredit those skirmishes to the entire movement is disingenuous at best. Largely this protest was rather peaceful as what can be seen throughout multiple sources.


That's why I said in my previous post that it takes a person with an ounce of a brain. People often regurgitate headlines and spin that comes from major media and often to not contribute their own critical thinking to stories as if the major news cycles don't carry extreme bias.

It's so ironic that with all the fiction showing the process (Scandal, House of Cards, any political movie), people just can't seem to realize that pundits you see on major segements are their to create the story they want to control in the first place.

They are literally there to push a bias and completely skew reality for millions of viewers.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Christ, it was a group of people singing and chanting together against a rally for a hateful man seeking power. Are you fucking serious with this "disappointed" and "nothing admirable" shit? This was such a tame protest considering the reason and the amount of people involved.
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Even the cops on TV were just separating people. For the most part, it wasn't that big a deal. The person you're responding to see to have been watching a different version of events...in their mind.

Gordon Shumway said:
No riots. Keeps talking riots. Why come?
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You know EXACTLY why.
 
Tesseract said:
nah it's true, that tax thread made it clear
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the reality of tackling anti-establishment and otherwise socialist policies and their ultimate possibility for implementation =/= basic human rights and equality

but hey, if i can get robots taking my order at panera in the next three years, i'm sure The Blacks™ could wait a little bit for that police reform
 
25_Cans_Of_Bacon said:
I have encountered more than my share of racism in my life, thanks.
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Fantastic! With that sort of first hand accountry, you should be equipped with som-

How do you know this would not have turned into a riot? It was cancelled amidst security concerns due to that very fear, wasn't it?
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Oops. Spoke too soon. Trump pretend it was cancelled for that reason, but the CPD never stated that it should be. And playing the whole "how do you know" is such a fun card. How do you know a white person wouldn't get punched at another candidates' meetup? How do you know the world isn't actually round?

Such a fun game to play, but it holds no place in the conversation because it didn't happen.


I don't know what delineates peaceful and repectful protest from a riot to you, but an event such as this would in no way be cancelled unless the atmosphere surrounding it wasn't indicative of prospective violent action had it not been.
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Few things on this.

1. Cancelling an event due to the prospect of violence requires prior knowledge of the event before go on painting with large brushes. If Trump cancels the event, I'm less likely to be believe that it's out of fear than someone like Ben Carson.

2. Cancelling an event means nothing if the proceedings are not violent. People are still protesting and Trump is nowhere to be found.

3. What type of people are "forcing" this cancellation? Are they racists looking to punch people in the face for being black? No? Try again!

4. You mention violence, right? Seems like you are placing a lot of onus on the protesters and not the anti-protesters. One group has been straight up known to attack people due to color. Can you guess which side?

I doubt it, but I'll let you try.

That you would argue this point smacks of me of a person that either doesn't wish to acknowledge the reality of which they sit in contempt of others in opposition, or simply desires to ignore it.
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That you would argue the current reality smacks of a person desperately trying to backpedal into the pit you keep digging yourself into. All of what you said are mere assumptions that are based on the ill intent of the protesters. Barely anything of that violent action has happened.

Man, making up narrative is fun, but once again, holds no place in our big-boy reality.
I don't feel uncomfortable by the way, just disappointed. There is nothing that has occurred here that's admirable.
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Yeah, I too would be super disappointed that minorities are exercising their rights and following suit in something that has proven to be effective historically. Like, things might change, and that's scary.

Tell you what - you can be disappointed there isn't a mass bloodbath to excuse your weird flippant nature, and the rest of us will be over here in reality.
 
Media has done a great job of putting it into the minds of Americans that whenever a large group of black protestors get together it is almost always a riot or that it isn't peaceful.
 
Massive Duck said:
I think some people would prefer a death before they'll allow protests
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And God forbid property gets destroyed! Because property means more than people fed up with being oppressed. (meanwhile property destruction has happened since the forming of this country (Boston tea party))
 
These lasts few pages are why I scoff when people say America is "better than this." If it's not people supporting Trump outright it's people calling racism, xenophobia, and inciting violence "different opinions."
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
You're making it obvious you don't know any actual history.

Can you name any time in history an oppressive party changed just by being talked to nicely?

And why do you keep talking about tonight like it was violent? I saw some cops got in some shit, as they always do when they meet protesters anywhere. What else?
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The violence mentioned in the original article... "He said a total of five arrests were made and two police officers suffered minor injuries including one who was hit in the head with a bottle and required stitches. The Chicago Fire Department said two civilians also suffered minor injuries and were transported to Stroger and Loretto hospitals."

I do consider violence against police to also be violence, but two others were injured enough to be transported to hospitals. I'm not sure why you would downplay this, though I'm glad it was not worse.
 
Pepboy said:
Yes, I believe in disrupting injustice in a peaceful way and letting an injust opponent be the one to make it disorderly, if they choose to. I do not believe in a "positive peace" that exists solely via ongoing violence, because I believe violence has a way of escalating out of control until one is no longer at peace. I believe there are direct actions which are both more effective and also peaceful in nature. I also do not believe in setting the timetable for another man's freedom -- I am not saying they should not protest. Only that it be done in accordance to rules which have been established to prevent the violence which historically otherwise ensues. If there is injustice, it can be demonstrated without protestors attacking -- and often us demonstrated by protestors being attacked. As a side note, I am surprised you are quoting MLK when it feels your guiding philosophy is more motivated by Malcom X.
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Your either very naive or a fool. Like have you study history at all or just spout what ever bs you think sounds nice in your distorted world view. With your kind of protesting black people would still be in chains and all people of color would most likely lack most of the basic rights that a lot of us take for granted. I for one like being counted as a whole person and not just 3/5's of a person.
 
MikeDown said:
He isn't wrong. Though the same can be said for conservatives.
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I don't feel like either side really promotes stuff that goes against the first amendment. Gay marriage wedding cakes being the farthest either side goes if you can even call that a first amendment issue.

Trump being the exception to the rule with his religion ban and libel law expansion. Trump seems to be the exception to most rules.
 
MikeDown said:
He isn't wrong. Though the same can be said for conservatives.
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He's 100% wrong.

The first amendment gives you the right to free speech, not the right to speech that's free from criticism or backlash. Unless I've missed something, there's no liberal movement calling for his arrest.

A protest isn't infringing on his right to free speech, it's practicing free speech.
 
Pepboy said:
The violence mentioned in the original article... "He said a total of five arrests were made and two police officers suffered minor injuries including one who was hit in the head with a bottle and required stitches. The Chicago Fire Department said two civilians also suffered minor injuries and were transported to Stroger and Loretto hospitals."

I do consider violence against police to also be violence, but two others were injured enough to be transported to hospitals. I'm not sure why you would downplay this, though I'm glad it was not worse.
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I'm not downplaying it at all, but you seem to be overstating it considering nearly every post you make is about the protest being violent or having violent motivations in some way.

Did you see how many people were there? Why aren't you talking about the 99.99999999999% of uninjured, nonviolent protestors and their legal speech? Can you do some self-analysis here on your assumptions and framing?
 
People are really non-sarcastically talking about getting a permit to protest? Really? That is grade a moronic shit.
 
MikeDown said:
He isn't wrong. Though the same can be said for conservatives.
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Actually, he is. Explain how liberals are suppressing free speech by protesting? If anything, they are strengthening and expressing their rights. Why would they want it suppressed, that's literally what Drumpf wants. It's complete self denial and projection.
 
Is there an objective, concise summary of everything that happened? I was busy all day and I've only read comments on GAF and Reddit, where the protestors are either heroes or the scum of the earth (and they're all violent Sanders supporters, apparently).
 
girlfriendofagamer said:
No. You did not read correctly. My previous post clearly states the onus is not on trump supporters because they will support trump no matter what.

The onus is on all the moderate viewers of tonight's event. A few minutes on Google can get you up to speed with the history of Trump rally behavior and basic reading comprehension will allow someone to understand the context of what's going on to have a more educated opinion on things.

As for the fights that happened tonight, I haven't taken a look in depth regarding them. Those are easy to disparage but to accredit those skirmishes to the entire movement is disingenuous at best. Largely this protest was rather peaceful as what can be seen throughout multiple sources.


That's why I said in my previous post that it takes a person with an ounce of a brain. People often regurgitate headlines and spin that comes from major media and often to not contribute their own critical thinking to stories as if the major news cycles don't carry extreme bias.

It's so ironic that with all the fiction showing the process (Scandal, House of Cards, any political movie), people just can't seem to realize that pundits you see on major segements are their to create the story they want to control in the first place.

They are literally there to push a bias and completely skew reality for millions of viewers.
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Thank you for your post. Unfortunately, I still don't understand what you mean. The onus of what? The onus of the violence? The onus of being informed on the matter? Are you saying the protestors are to blame because, if they had googled and read a little, they would have realized the trump rally would likely result in violence? Or that the electorate in general have an onus of being informed so someone like Trump does not get elected?

Edit: wait nevermind, I think I understand. Its more of the latter -- you feel the onus of voters to understand tonights events is on them, they are to blame if tonights events make them vote for Trump. I understand and can somewhat agree, but I feel a lot of tonights impact is indirect. Trump supporters get rallied up and campaign or reach out to friends, who may never hear of tonights events directly.
 
DietRob said:
People are really non-sarcastically talking about getting a permit to protest? Really? That is grade a moronic shit.
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Well, that mentality is what gave rise to Voter ID laws specifically designed to ensure...certain groups...are disproportionally affected.

"MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET A PERMIT TO VOTE."
 
Battersea Power Station said:
Is there an objective, concise summary of everything that happened? I was busy all day and I've only read comments on GAF and Reddit, where the protestors are either heroes or the scum of the earth (and they're all violent Sanders supporters, apparently).
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You want unbiased US News?

Aljazeera US, NPR, and BBC.

That's it, that's all you get.
 
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