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Massive ongoing protest in Chicago makes Trump "postpone" his event

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royalan said:
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balladofwindfishes said:
She's only "cleaning it up" if you read her original statement wrong.
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Fine Ham Abounds said:
I agree, she is cleaning up her statements because somehow she's being really misinterpreted. I don't see the Hillary "both sides just as bad" narrative, it makes no sense, this whole episode is free advertising for Democrats right now, why torpedo that? Criticize her for something real, like the fact the twitter post everyone has been quoting for pages was a weak, centrist response because she's trying to maximize her electability right now. It was a clear, albeit disappointingly flaccid condemnation, I just cant see the other interpretation of what she said. She literally condemns divisive rhetoric and states people assembling are part of the solution.
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Why mention the church shooting if the intent wasn't "if only you could have been like the nice people in SC then maybe this could have been avoided"?

Anyway, let's just agree to disagree. This debate should be about the Trump shitshow, not Hilary's recent attempts to pander to centrists.
 
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gamz said:
Portia Boulger is on twitter. Someone said something to the effect you better have a good lawyer and she said my Husband is a lawyer -- Damn good one at that.

Anyway, the woman is identified.

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I can't believe what this country is turning into.

Or rather what's already been there and Trump is just bringing to the forefront.
 
ICKE said:
You shouldn't underestimate Trump's chances against Hillary Clinton. It would be the most vicious campaign we have seen in modern American politics.
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Trump unfavorable numbers are the worst of all candidates

He does the worst among women and Latinos

The African-American vote will turn out to Block him

He has no chance in the general
 
ICKE said:
You shouldn't underestimate Trump's chances against Hillary Clinton. It would be the most vicious campaign we have seen in modern American politics.
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You say that as if Trump getting even more vicious and wild with his attacks/rhetoric wouldn't make him even more unpopular with a general electorate than he already is, or motivate those in opposition.
 
ICKE said:
You shouldn't underestimate Trump's chances against Hillary Clinton. It would be the most vicious campaign we have seen in modern American politics.
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God, I hope not. But yeah Hillary reminds me of John Kerry. Might have become a great president, but they automatically bring out the snooze when you think of them as president because of their lack of personality and feeling of roboticness.
 
Saint Gregory said:
Why mention the church shooting if the intent wasn't "if only you could have been like the nice people in SC then maybe this could have been avoided"?

Anyway, let's just agree to disagree. This debate should be about the Trump shitshow, not Hilary's recent attempts to pander to centrists.
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This is the sense I got shes pandering to centeridts then goes on Twitter to bash trump. ppl following closely will see the bashing. centeridts will see the more "balanced" statement . its politic speak 101 . eeeh whatever still better than trump
 
Forkball said:
Part of me wants to believe a huge segment of rally attendees just want to see the guy who they've watched on The Apprentice for ten years in real life. Like Apprentice Trump would never interact with the general public in Iowa or Ohio, so it's a novelty for these people.

This is all just a novelty right?

Please somebody say yes.
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We're long since past this friend. We all need to stop and wake up. It's time to face reality and see it for what it is. Whatever happens, whether Drumpf makes it to presidency or not, American politics are going to be tumultuously changed after this year.
 
ICKE said:
You shouldn't underestimate Trump's chances against Hillary Clinton. It would be the most vicious campaign we have seen in modern American politics.
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It wouldn't even be close. You can't walk back from the shit Trump has said and done this primary season. Bigger blowout than '08.
 
BigDug13 said:
God, I hope not. But yeah Hillary reminds me of John Kerry. Might have become a great president, but they automatically bring out the snooze when you think of them as president because of their lack of personality and feeling of roboticness.
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Which would be a concern against someone like Kasich. Minorities will turn out in droves against Trump.
 
ICKE said:
You shouldn't underestimate Trump's chances against Hillary Clinton. It would be the most vicious campaign we have seen in modern American politics.
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Hillary should win but both are so unfavorable that it's going to be close, I agree it will undoubtedly be the dirtiest race we've seen. Protesters are unfortunately even less popular than the presidential candidates so I expect Trump and Co. to only gain momentum for now
 
Saint Gregory said:
Why mention the church shooting if the intent wasn't "if only you could have been like the nice people in SC then maybe this could have been avoided"?

Anyway, let's just agree to disagree. This debate should be about the Trump shitshow, not Hilary's recent attempts to pander to centrists.
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she's connotatively associating trump with a murdering racist and her own liberal allies with loving, innocent people who are victims of racially charged violence

or to put it more simply, she wants to portray her allies as "the good guys"
 
Outdoor Miner said:
It wouldn't even be close. You can't walk back from the shit Trump has said and done this primary season. Bigger blowout than '08.
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That would be correct if this was a normal election cycle.

However the dynamics are completely unpredictable at this point, especially in places like the Rust Belt. There is also a possibility that many Sanders supporters will be disenfranchised from the process when Hillary wins the nomination.

Trump is also a showman, you don't know what he will do during the general election. He could reverse his positions (as he has done in the past several times) and the question then is: Will the electorate care about substance or do they want entertainment and madness over establishment politics (Hillary Clinton).
 
gutter_trash said:
Trump unfavorable numbers are the worst of all candidates

He does the worst among women and Latinos

The African-American vote will turn out to Block him

He has no chance in the general
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What scares me is, are those numbers good enough if 100% of middle class white men show up at the polls and vote Trump even if they are Democrats. I have to assume yes, but it worries the shit out of me.
 
ICKE said:
That would be correct if this was a normal election cycle.

However the dynamics are completely unpredictable at this point, especially in places like the Rust Belt.
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Places like the Rust Belt aren't going to do shit if Trump's antics basically mean states like VA, NC or FL end up safely Democratic.

Also for every white person who's like "Yeah Trump!" hes probably scaring off like three more.
 
Aaron Strife said:
Places like the Rust Belt aren't going to do shit if Trump's antics basically mean states like VA, NC or FL end up safely Democratic.
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You think NC and Florida are a lock for the democrats? Have you looked at the kind of politicians these states have elected recently? There is a reason why republicans control both houses of congress and won almost all the governor's races in 2014. Obama was an excellent campaigner but now the progressives don't really have that on their side. If it is Hillary v. Trump, then you are voting against something instead of for something. And that is not exactly the best starting position...
 
ICKE said:
You shouldn't underestimate Trump's chances against Hillary Clinton. It would be the most vicious campaign we have seen in modern American politics.
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Doesn't trump need an insane number of white voters to vote for him like 70% to win? Need to double check that but I'm pretty sure i read that on gaf. Man is done with minority voters and he's going to need every single white voter he can get and there are only so many racists you can get. At some point you need minority voters to win and he's fucked on that front. No amount of pivoting will help him in the general. He has to hope for low voter turn out amongst the Dems and I just don't see that happening if he is the Republican nominee.
 
gamz said:
Portia Boulger is on twitter. Someone said something to the effect you better have a good lawyer and she said my Husband is a lawyer -- Damn good one at that.

Anyway, the woman is identified.

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yeah, trump knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he organized that "loyalty pledge" - and he knew fools would trip over themselves rushing to try and justify it away

problem for him is that he's gone too far and you're not going to win the general election with only prejudiced white men
 
MechaX said:
St. Louis, Chicago, Cleveland.


... These venues... Why Trump.
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He likes living on the edge, also attacks by protesters help him get votes. That crowd in Ohio was the most enthusiastic group I've seen yet this election cycle or last. The decibel level was off the charts. Surpassed even the fervor of the biggest sanders rallies. Only Obama rallies in 2008 had similar vibes, that I can recall.
 
John Kasich, Ohio governor, is attacking Trump:

“Donald Trump has created a toxic environment, and the toxic environment has allowed his supporters, and those who sometimes seek confrontation, to come together in violence,” Mr. Kasich told reporters. “There is no place for this. There is no place for a national leader to prey on the fears of people who live in our great country.”
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/12/john-kasich-donald-trump-created-toxic-politica/
 
everyone is always more extreme in the primaries. you just have to be to scoop up the base

but some of the positions he has taken you just can't go back on. there won't be much wiggle room to pivot back towards the center for the general. he won't be able to attract independent voters or undecided voters or anyone who isn't already repulsed by the things he says and does.

the electoral map has looked bad for the GOP since day 1, and they are really close to nominating someone that can't win undecided voters.

also these other guys waited too fucking long to tell him to just knock it off with his rhetoric of inciting hate and violence. they should have been doing this months ago when he's talking about building a fucking wall or banning Muslims.
 
NSQuote said:
yeah, trump knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he organized that "loyalty pledge" - and he knew fools would trip over themselves rushing to try and justify it away

problem for him is that he's gone too far and you're not going to win the general election with only prejudiced white men
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The pic shows a white woman, though. Is Trump's support really heavily gendered? Any numbers on this?
 
Henkka said:
The pic shows a white woman, though. Is Trump's support really heavily gendered? Any numbers on this?
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he has terrible favorability among women - i'm on mobile at the moment so i don't have them handy, but i saw recently on poligaf just how poor his favorability is with women voters
 
silkysmooth said:
everyone is always more extreme in the primaries. you just have to be to scoop up the base

but some of the positions he has taken you just can't go back on. there won't be much wiggle room to pivot back towards the center for the general. he won't be able to attract independent voters or undecided voters or anyone who isn't already repulsed by the things he says and does.

the electoral map has looked bad for the GOP since day 1, and they are really close to nominating someone that can't win undecided voters.

also these other guys waited too fucking long to tell him to just knock it off with his rhetoric of inciting hate and violence. they should have been doing this months ago when he's talking about building a fucking wall or banning Muslims.
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This is correct. Which is why I worry about that 7 out of 10 demo.

No one seemed to mind and laughed off the wall and islamaphobia for the lulz.

Unfortunate series of events this has been to lead up to this reality.
 
ICKE said:
That would be correct if this was a normal election cycle.

However the dynamics are completely unpredictable at this point, especially in places like the Rust Belt. There is also a possibility that many Sanders supporters will be disenfranchised from the process when Hillary wins the nomination.

Trump is also a showman, you don't know what he will do during the general election. He could reverse his positions (as he has done in the past several times) and the question then is: Will the electorate care about substance or do they want entertainment and madness over establishment politics (Hillary Clinton).
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No amount of pivoting will be able to help with all the shit he's said. He's done with the AA community, and he's done with hispanics. He can't walk back from the shit he's said either without alienating the base he built in the primaries that have been incredibly loyal to him. How's it going to look to those voters when he tries to backtrack on all the bullshit he's said? Him pivoting is not going to work in the general, and we are much more likely to see Trump trippling down on his bullshit. He's done with minorities that ship has sailed. He now has to find a way to get an insane number of white voters. Is it possible sure, but it's incredibly unlikely given the map/demographics. Republicans are already fighting an uphill battle in the general, and being despised by pretty much every minority group in the U.S. is a sure fire way to not become president given the current landscape.

FloydtheFathead said:
that would be correct. 7 out of 10 white males.
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Ahh thank you for this was on mobile so couldn't double check it. No way he wins needing 7-10.
 
Henkka said:
The pic shows a white woman, though. Is Trump's support really heavily gendered? Any numbers on this?
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I wish I had the numbers but he doesn't do that great with them either. He's mostly popular with older uneducated white men, which does extend into some women but really not heavily at all.
 
RPGCrazied said:
Yeah, I can no longer watch CNN when it has those Trump supporters on. I have to flip the channel. They disgust me.
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Yea Jeff Lord is the worst. Trump could go and shoot someone in the face and he would try to spin it as the guy tried to kill trump and was a hired assassin hired by Bernie Sanders himself.
 
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