The Democrats can be lazy when it comes to voting. Hillary ain't Obama, as mentioned before in this thread. Trump is unique, too.
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The Democrats can be lazy when it comes to voting. Hillary ain't Obama, as mentioned before in this thread. Trump is unique, too.
A Link to the Past
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I don't think you understand. It's perfectly well-known that the midterms are the Republicans' election to win. Citing them is foolhardy because low turnout that leads to these Republican wins doesn't apply to the GE.
I think Bill is at least smart enough to not fuck around when it's someone else's neck on the line.
Abinash117
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It depends on how many of them actually are personally I don't think it is that many of them considering she is actually beating him among the popular vote. Since those blue collar guys are different then the typical youth vote it would be possible for her to when them with the help of Bill and possibly Obama, it depends on how she plays her cards.
I also doubt many Bernie supporters are going to vote for Trump in any significant numbers worst case is that they don't vote at all. Some of the ones that are single issue like fighting against the establishment will probably vote for him, but it will be a very certain segment of them like GGs and alt right people.
Not during presidential elections. Especially when Trump is the opponent imo.
ElBoxyBrown
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What was the context of this?Trump was ready to bolt out of there.
Macho Madness
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Shes going to do her best to energize a vote, and Trump sure as shit will energize people to vote against him.
FloydtheFathead
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Not to mention.. I don't recall the exact number for white women, it's 6 out of 10 for them I believe.
It won't matter as much with black voters in the south help flip them even if somehow Trump were to flip some of the Midwest.
Yes .. That is my understanding when comparing the numbers.. Even if he has a majority of white voters. It won't necessarily matter to a huge significant degree.
Democrats haven't carried white voter majority since Lyndon Johnson. Wonder why that was? /s
Trump had to do better than Romney in white male voters when
A) they will have a decrease in the general electorate. It's not 1980 anymore where winning white voters will carry you to victory.
B) the fuckery he has stated is impossible to walk back. Romney said not even a tenth of what Trump has said and he was boned by Election Day. Can Trump win? Maybe.. It is extremely unlikely.
The thing that really sucks about all this is the fact that if Trump wins the nomination and still doesn't take Koch money, Koch money is instead being funneled into congressional, state, and local elections so much that even if a "further left than Obama" Democrat is president, the nation as a whole keeps moving more and more right in governance.
I just hope it's enough to win.
Calamari41
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When it happened, they were saying on the news that someone grabbed his leg from the crowd. I'm not sure if that was confirmed or not, but that's what they were saying at the time.
Is this a question?
potatohead
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With the obstructionism going on between both parties, more on the Republican side of course most frequently, to get any legislation passed you need a majority in Congress.
Senate majority isn't as much required, but it does certainly help.
The way the U.S. system is made up puts far, far more power into the Congress majority than it does even to the President.
This is very different from parliamentary systems in which Prime Ministers are indirectly elected through party seats (analogous to Congressional seats) and in the situation a Prime Minister gains a majority, they have much more power than the U.S. president ever can possibly have over their country's policies.
The two years difference between congressional elections and U.S. president elections is kind of annoying in this way, not only because in the U.S. the election period virtually never ends then.
There's maybe 1 year post presidency election that there is no electioneering going on..... which is incredibly stupid.
Citizens United decision (thanks to that buffoon Scalia who is now dead finally) must be struck down to give democracy back to Americans.
Macho Madness
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Follow LBJ's strategy:
https://youtu.be/dDTBnsqxZ3k
https://youtu.be/4hcpedQmOyo
https://youtu.be/LiG0AE8zdTU
"The stakes are too high for you to stay home."
Legend indeed.
astroturfing
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mmm those John Legend tweets are tasty.
Man, I feel like you all have super short memories. We will revisit this after the blowout election. Ill be curious to hear what you think about the above statement after Trump gets annihilated and its not even remotely close.
n0razi
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Last year people said he wouldn't beat Cruz/Carson/Bush/etc no way, no how
FloydtheFathead
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Strike that, reverse it.. Thank you.
Trump's America will ban all John Legend albums.
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Primary is a different beast than the general. The shit he's pulling now works for the GOP base, but won't work in the general.
Glorified G
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In 2020 "There's no way he's going to get re-elected for President, no way, no how."
Saint Gregory
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Is that because people underestimated Trump or overestimated the intellectual viability of the Republican Party?
JeTmAn81
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Different ballgame entirely. Trump has a lot in common with his Republican opponents. But when you get to the general it's much harder to get voters to switch parties entirely. Trump is a polarizing figure who will bring out record numbers against him if he's the nominee. Mark this post for review in November.
Well, when you're winning primaries because you got 35% of the vote because the others are split.. primaries don't implicitly carry over to GE performance
CharminUltra
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HahahaTrump was ready to bolt out of there.
Leona Lewis
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I wish Judge Judy were running. Or Oprah.
nature boy
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He's pulled too much shit for the independent/moderate vote.
And I'm even mentioning the African-American and Hispanic vote.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Yep, it's been said tons of times before, but the GOP's dilemma with Trump is basically years of reckless pandering for quick votes getting thrown back at them hard. Whether or not they learn their lesson from this will be fun to see.
Saint Gregory
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Don't worry, the Kimye ticket in 2020 is going to rock our socks off.
Not if this keeps up.
I'm going to vote for Hilary but when I saw the protestors bullying that nervous kid with glasses on the news with a Trump sign last night, for a split second, I almost wanted him to win.
SolidSnakex
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They underestimated him. No one took him seriously and kept talking about the other candidates they thought would win. And by the time they actually realized that he was a legit threat, it was too late. And in some sense many of the left seem to have the same mentality. That thought that Bernie or Hillary will just walk all over Trump come election time. People not taking him seriously seems to be one of his biggest advantages. Because he quite clearly isn't fucking around.
Can we stop with the "He won't win" shit?
Look, I'd like to believe it too. The numbers make it look highly unlikely he'd get the support.
But look at where we are today. We've seen Donald Trump not only break through every brick wall erected before him in terms of his perceived lack of electability, but shatter those walls and only be made stronger by the force.
I'm going to hang on to my faith in the majority of the American public being able to see through Trump's shit in the end, but I don't think anybody can be patronized for being afraid of Trump at this point.
The "No way will Trump [insert hurdle here]" crowd has only ended up with egg on its face at this point. Time and time again.
Look, I'd like to believe it too. The numbers make it look highly unlikely he'd get the support.
But look at where we are today. We've seen Donald Trump not only break through every brick wall erected before him in terms of his perceived lack of electability, but shatter those walls and only be made stronger by the force.
I'm going to hang on to my faith in the majority of the American public being able to see through Trump's shit in the end, but I don't think anybody can be patronized for being afraid of Trump at this point.
The "No way will Trump [insert hurdle here]" crowd has only ended up with egg on its face at this point. Time and time again.
Captin Quacker
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Saint Gregory
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Well people are taking him seriously now, but more as a threat to public safety than the presidency. It might rile up his racist base but overall it's a bad look.
This can't be repeated enough.
The gop planted these seeds for a while now. They just got out done by trump.
Stop comparing winning the vote of conservatives (which include already a lot of extremists, as the Tea Party has shown) with the general population. He didn't even got over 50% of the conservatives overall, if I'm not mistaken.
And in the end if more than 50% of voters are xenophobes and/or racists, Trump being president will be the least of the problems.
And in the end if more than 50% of voters are xenophobes and/or racists, Trump being president will be the least of the problems.
I disagree simply because this moment to just use all the card they have they would gain nothing. There's no point in throwing all their stuff now, especially if they're still hopelessly doing all they can to have Trump removed still.
We already know from past experience that if they wanted to fling shit they will dig far and deep to find something new or won't care and find something not even real. The Obama birther spawned out of practically nothing. The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth against Kerry back in the day was also a pretty prime example of how can we make a positive into a negative. I may think the GOP is incompetent, but they're certainly not stupid enough to think the token efforts against Hillary they've been doing now is nearly enough if they were serious.
Knuckle Sandwich
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As long as we can swing the Supreme Court left and continue filling the lower courts with liberal judges we'll be ok.
Mengy
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I can't tell what the actual threat was from that video, but I have to admit (even though I do not support Trump in any way as a candidate) that he handled that very expertly. Trump really knows how to play a crowd to his advantage.
Voysa Reezun
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This is specious reasoning, though. What happened in the past doesn't necessarily have predictive power for the future, and as rightly pointed out, the GOP primary voter has a vastly different demographic than the GE voter.
Yes, Trump has a non-zero chance to win that election. But look at the numbers. An average of around 34% of his party supports him when synthesizing the vote totals. He has massive unfavorables. The GE demographic is slanted heavily against him. It will take possibly MULTIPLE black swan events to get him in position to win just looking at the numbers.
He cannot even get four out of ten voters in his own party to support him at this point. He is aligning numerous forces, from Buckleyites to ethnic minorities to women to Wall Street against him. I understand and empathize with your concerns, but the facts say that it will be nearly impossible for him to win at this point.
Saint Gregory
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I think that was my favorite part of the satire SNL played on Romney's speech. Trump can't say these things, he's supposed to just imply them like the other Republican candidates do!
Bedameister
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Trump was ready to bolt out of there.
what happened there?
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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Damn, I never even thought of that. I feel a lot better about the GE after reading this.
sunhilegend can probably make something good with this.Trump was ready to bolt out of there.
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