Thunder Monkey
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I question how easy it would be for Bernie to beat Trump. He can't even beat Hillary.
Hillary:"Where was Bernie when I got healthcare in 93?" Right there, she thanked him
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Those are completely different political battles.
Thunder Monkey
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Yeah, one should be much more favorable to a Democratic Socialist than the other.
Guess which.
Dash_Riprock
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I think ever since 08 she is terrified that running on autopilot will cost her the nom, even though Bernie's popularity is nowhere close to that of Obama's.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
You really believe that?
Trump will just hammer it home over and over how much this is going to cost people in taxes. People who aren't die hard leftists will get cold feet when they realize it's gonna dramatically affect their paychecks.
Shit, go have a look at this thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1193903
Dash_Riprock
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Its amazing how when taxes are involved, suddenly everyone is a Republican.
Zoe
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And appealing to her gender in the same swoop.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
At the end of the day, most people will vote in their own self interest.
This isn't true. Perhaps on a nationwide level but on a local level they tend to do the opposite; as they care more about making sure something doesn't get done as opposed to doing something.
Every time I look at my pre and post tax income I start feeling hella 'fiscally conservative'
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I mean specifically in a general election with Bernie as the democrat nominee. His tax increases are a VERY tough sell.
Time and again Hillary Clinton is shown to be calculating, cold-hearted, -- even devious. Just like they always said she was! Ain't that right? Just like they always said when she probably was anything but. When she was expected to act in a way that would only be suggested to a man -- praised if he follows the advice, forgiven if he scorns it -- and expect nothing in return: no recognition, no reconsideration. This is how you wear people out, this is how you pry them loose from their principles and ideals. Society almost never fails to summon exceptional women to countersign its prejudices against them all.
I admit I laughed after Hillary, asked to differentiate her term from a hypothetical third Obama term, simply maintained that she's a woman. I think it was during the first debate. That's her only real argument and I'm beginning to consider it a damn good one. You probably don't get to where she is now being both principled and a woman. If she becomes President, she'll be just like the rest of them. And that's the entire point. The criterion for future female candidates will be to rise above the ordinary, not to be immaculate, and for some of them this will mean being more principled than others.
Ideologically I prefer Bernie Sanders. Not that it matters, I have no say, I'm not American. But there are, have been, and can be other male politicians like him. It's not such a simple matter for women who pretty much have to be rare exceptions like Elizabeth Warren. I believe a Clinton presidency can normalize things.
I'd ask people to consider voting for her if she is to be the nominee.
I admit I laughed after Hillary, asked to differentiate her term from a hypothetical third Obama term, simply maintained that she's a woman. I think it was during the first debate. That's her only real argument and I'm beginning to consider it a damn good one. You probably don't get to where she is now being both principled and a woman. If she becomes President, she'll be just like the rest of them. And that's the entire point. The criterion for future female candidates will be to rise above the ordinary, not to be immaculate, and for some of them this will mean being more principled than others.
Ideologically I prefer Bernie Sanders. Not that it matters, I have no say, I'm not American. But there are, have been, and can be other male politicians like him. It's not such a simple matter for women who pretty much have to be rare exceptions like Elizabeth Warren. I believe a Clinton presidency can normalize things.
I'd ask people to consider voting for her if she is to be the nominee.
DR2K
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They had no problem voting for Obama. So I guess not. As a politician you have to pander to people. When you're doing it you have to be very careful with the words you use.
Hillary should count her blessings that Bernie is a single (major) issue candidate.
CassidyIzABeast
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Hilary taking avoidable Ls.
Mengy
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She's always been an opportunistic liar. When it suits her political career to bend the truth or lie she always does and then deals with the fallout afterwards. She's practiced at it. Her problem is that this behavior is becoming much harder to pull off effectively due to fact checkers and the internet.
It's why I'm so concerned that her shift towards Bernie's stances in the past few months may simply be an act and not an actual shift in any true way. She's not as disingenuous as Trump is to be sure, but both of their political behavior is rather similar with regards to policy shifts and flip flopping.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
where was hillary in 2016 when we needed to defeat Trump but now we're in world war 5?
(we already had world war 3 and are in the middle of #4!)
This is my problem. She's going out of her way to spew bullshit.
And it paints her as dishonest more and more.
Plus...
Benghazi.
No no I kid about ghazi.
Bernie has stronger independent support than Hillary does.
Comedy is not your strong suit.
But it was an okay try at dodging a real question, I suppose.
Not the one where the deck has been stacked by the party's national organization for another candidate, where the constant narrative has been that he's unelectable and nobody would want a Socialist in office long before there was even a single primary match-up to provide any sort of real empirical evidence?
Seeing that he's fared better against that self-fulfilling prophecy than just about anyone gave him credit for, I'd certainly take my chances on the GE instead.
Correct. Bernie and Hillary have very different strengths and weaknesses that have equally interesting implications for a race against Trump.
Red Blaster
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abuela sweatin
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
you were asking a real question? not sure what there is to say when it comes to Hillarycare, it was a thing that happened and didn't pass. in 1993.
A Link to the Past
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So I haven't been following - how well is Bernie doing?
UnforgivenTwin
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I meant that she isn't that good of a liar. Natural politicians are. Sorry,I should have worded that better.
decently well but not well enough to get the nom
GreatestHits
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People are so caught up with political races being wrestling matches, and voters being blind sheep. And I'll give it to you, it's nearly always been like that in our elections, and clearly the Hillary supporters in this thread are into personality, not actuality. But perhaps it's not about who can spin up the best Bullshit image for the naiive American to swallow, perhaps this charade of politics might be nearing it's end and people will vote based on their own critical notions of what they would get out of each candidate being elected. I probably sound like Bernie Sanders but I think that time is now more than eva
If he loses, in my opinion (take it, leave it or shit on it), its because the majority of people are still caught up in the WWE-inspired political deceptivism
Macho Madness
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The clip made me realize this quote was taken out of context. She wasn't saying literally "I don't know where he was" when she was trying to get health care passed, she's saying his attacks on her record about health care are dumb. "I don't know where he was" is about him not recognizing her fight for reform back then.
Dick Justice
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Then why didn't they clarify so?
Macho Madness
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I don't know. Sometimes her campaign staff is stupid. But watching the clip, the message came across crystal clear to me.
Zoe
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That's not how you make that you point. You make a knock on his memory, not her own. "Did he forget he was standing right behind me when..."
Enter the Dragon Punch
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My biggest issue with Hillary supporters happened the other day when a GAF member was literally talking to an LGBT member and tried to silence them by telling them that if they didn't trust Hillary 100% they were playing into the Republican handbook.
I am not fucking kidding.
Macho Madness
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Zoe
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You don't do that by saying "I".
Psychoward
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Or the one who said if you didn't believe she was the best person for the job then you're a misogynist.
Ogrekiller
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Hmm, sounds like Berniebros telling minorities to vote for Sanders.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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"I don't know where he was in 1993" has to spun twelve ways to Sunday to be taken as a knock on the other person's memory
That's not an okay thing either, but doesn't nearly justify what I said.
Also, to make things clear, I'm not a "Berniebro". I'm not even American.
Macho Madness
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Psychoward
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Which would be "crystal clear" if that's what she followed up with in response to criticism.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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It doesn't come off as sarcasm at all. Not even in the slightest.
Even if it was sarcasm, it wouldn't make sense in terms of what she said.
Besides, why wouldn't they have already clarified this? What would be the point of having this out in the open garnering bad word of mouth if the reason was that simple?
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