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Captain America: Civil War - Final Trailer
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ScreenSplitter
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They shied away from showing Iron Man killing after the first film, didn't they? In the following movies it wasn't as blatant, he kills superhuman people or they die in an explosion, he never really shoots them does he?
I think Spiderman will kill via the Nolan Batman and just refuse to save the villain.
More_Badass
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Slamtastic
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Sorry if this has come up a lot already, but am I the only one who who else here prefers organic shooters?
I was never into comics and thus saw Raimi's movies and afterwards when I learned about the shooters I thought it was so dumb how he got powers of a spider, but not the most obvious one (the one more common sense to people than super strength or future sense). And I like Peter as super average relateable, a nerd you could meet in your high school, not a PhD genius at an early age who can invent new materials with fancy properties.
I was never into comics and thus saw Raimi's movies and afterwards when I learned about the shooters I thought it was so dumb how he got powers of a spider, but not the most obvious one (the one more common sense to people than super strength or future sense). And I like Peter as super average relateable, a nerd you could meet in your high school, not a PhD genius at an early age who can invent new materials with fancy properties.
There's Daredevil, if we're counting the MCU TV shows.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
The superhumans in iron man 3 were small scale enough to count. He blasts a hole through the one guy on the plane and tries to blow up killian without a second thought.
That whole opening made me a fan of Cap
So many "Oh...damn" moments
The biggest oh damn moment for me was during the Bucky chase scene through the rooftops and offices. Especially when he hits the wall.
Until Daredevil joins in Infinity War
HAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaaaa
I guess I need to re-watch/read season 1/my DD comics cus I honestly couldn't remember he had a no kill policy.
Yeah, but they had the ability to reform themselves so it wasn't as blatant. They were dehumanized somewhat and that made it more acceptable (I guess?) for him to kill them.
Scorpion Soldier
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In 3 he kills the people in the choppers attacking his house and kills someone with a gun in the house in Miami. The rest of his kills are either unmanned drones or super-powered individuals in 2&3.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The ASM2 suit is still the best suit.
More_Badass
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I don't mind either way, but I think the mechanic webshooters 1) allow for more inventive action scenes and more avenues for suspense or tension, since he can run out and have to rely on his other skills or may have to fight with one damaged,, and 2) help establish that tone of the struggling hero who can have things go wrong for him, simply because he can have those moments of "Damn, out of webfluid and I'm falling from 300 feet, how do I get out of this one" and such
There's Daredevil, but he's more of a Defender than an Avenger as far as the MCU goes. In fact, I think Spider-Man & Daredevil are the only heroes with secret identities in the MCU.
Good catch.
CHARGING STAR!!!!
More_Badass
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Didn't he headshot the group of 10 Rings terrorists in the first movie during his first venture in the new suit? And just blast whole groups with flamethrowers during his initial escape?
BKatastrophe
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I do not. Then again, that movie was super just okay.
It's a specific kind of a loser, though. Someone who loses specifically to make someone else look good, whether it makes sense or not. A lot of the times it's someone who comes off as a badass, so when they lose people go "Aaaawwww shit!" However there are also plenty of times where the person exists just to lose in a way to make others look better. Although a more accurate term for the way people like to use it is "The Worf Effect." People have pretty much fused the two. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I've just fused the two.
It's not just a general "loser." Like, someone who knows better can correct me if needed, but I think I got it. Assuming I even made sense.
Follow the chain of posts I was responding toThat reference goes back a little further than that.
I thought the same at first, but then the MCU design grew on me more & more. I wasn't too big on the raised webbing of the previous outfits, but I understood that it was necessary (namely for the Raimi film) since it make the costume easier to film. Now that we're in an era of digitally-enchanted footage, Marvel can get away with stitched webbing that's more like the comics. Plus the stripes of black as well as the black web shooters & cartridges help the spider-emblem & the black borders for the eyes tie in better with the rest of the costume.
Bobby Roberts
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It seems to be growing on a lot of people in here. I immediately liked it, and still like it a hell of a lot (amazing how animated eyes make a difference, even though people still like to pretend as if it's too weird/out there/unrealistic to pull off, when there's more than enough evidence now to prove it isn't, and audiences will roll with it) but it doesn't look as good as the ASM2 suit did.
This reminds me of when that nasty ass Dark Knight suit first got shown and as it started growing on people (He has a neck! Look at all that armor! So realistic!) people started saying it was the best looking suit
But nah. The best looking Batsuit is Batman Returns, and the best looking Spidey suit is still ASM2.
This is a really good looking costume though.
You're not the only one who is wrong.
Yes he did. He even let one of his captors alive to receive "mob justice" after he goes back in the new suit.
Killing people is heroic.
But then there's the fact that raised webbing doesn't really make sense for someone with a freelance photographer's salary. It was necessary for how movies were filmed back when the Raimi films were made, but now it's not that much of an issue. It makes more sense for the character, & it's a nice modern take on Ditko, Romita Sr., & Alex Ross' takes on Spidey.
ViewtifulJC
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Back in the 80s Gruenwald tried to make it seem like Cap never killed a dude
"I never carried a gun! I never killed anyone!" and all that other bullshit. I'm not sure who retconed that retconed, but I know the first issue of Brubaker's Cap has him straight up throwing a dude off a speeding train. He felt bad about it, but he had to stop that bomb.
Also this is when they revealed Bucky wasn't just some kiddie mascot, but a sneaky assassin they used all the time
"I never carried a gun! I never killed anyone!" and all that other bullshit. I'm not sure who retconed that retconed, but I know the first issue of Brubaker's Cap has him straight up throwing a dude off a speeding train. He felt bad about it, but he had to stop that bomb.
Also this is when they revealed Bucky wasn't just some kiddie mascot, but a sneaky assassin they used all the time
Well the whole premise of DD Season 2 is the conflict between DD and Punisher because Punisher believes DD is a ineffective coward because he's only using "half measures" (unwilling to kill).
uncledonnie
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Truth.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Ditki/Romita Sr. eyes & spider emblem along with no raised webbing made the MCU suit an instant win for me. The previous suits (sans ASM1 basketball head) are still good, but I think this is on a higher level.
BKatastrophe
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Man I should read Brubaker's run. Who did the art on that?Back in the 80s Gruenwald tried to make it seem like Cap never killed a dude
"I never carried a gun! I never killed anyone!" and all that other bullshit. I'm not sure who retconed that retconed, but I know the first issue of Brubaker's Cap has him straight up throwing a dude off a speeding train. He felt bad about it, but he had to stop that bomb.
Also this is when they revealed Bucky wasn't just some kiddie mascot, but a sneaky assassin they used all the time
Pai Pai Master
Banned
It's Steve Epting doing some of his best work. Absolutely my favorite Cap book, probably my favorite run on a Marvel character in general.
Edit: Sorry - correction in the post below
Between the two of them the whole series is a damn good look
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Michael Lark did the WW2 interludes, but Steve Epting does most of the first 50 issues, where the book is at its most compelling as a shadowy mix of Jack Kirby pulp and Jack Bauer 24 spy-fi
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Winter Soldier made Cap the best MCU hero.
My man.
Hahahahaha, I'm dying with this one!!!
That said, IM2's suitcase scene is still the best one in terms of "Oh shit that's badass" hype value.
I still value IM2 first 25 min or so as top tier MCU material, but then... then something happened with the movie :/
More_Badass
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Which vols would I check out? Sounds up my alley
That's pretty cool actually, and demonstrates what I was talking about as far as First Avenger/Avengers Cap vs. Winter Soldier Cap. In First Avenger it's so obviously a big serial/adventure tone and style on all fronts, everything from the cinematography and soundtrack and down to the big, meaty, Ben Burtt style punch sound effects. In that movie, he takes someone out by punching them or kicking them really hard once and they go flying through the air, and they are incapacitated. Which is exactly in line with the tone that film so fully embraces.
Winter Soldier Cap punches or kicks a dude super hard, but they don't just go flying through the air, they go whipping through the air and smash into something and their body goes limp. They get wrecked. He downs someone, and then makes sure they stay down by kicking them in the face or punching them straight into the ground, or point blank smashing their chest cavity with his shield, after he already wrecked them once.
Avengers Cap in comparison is so weird and lame on the action front, like he just has kind of standard choreography and doesn't really do anything of note aside from reflecting Iron Man's laser in that big money shot.
It's fun seeing Avengers Cap, then Winter Soldier Cap, then how clearly Age of Ultron Cap took inspiration from Winter Soldier Cap.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Eh. His Ultimate Spider-Man work is OK when you don't see anyone's face. MJ and Peter look the same... that shit is wrong.
I think Ryan Stegman is pretty underrated.
Angelus Errare
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Pai Pai Master
Banned
There are various collected editions out there...5 omnibus volumes or there are three "ultimate collections" so far which I think cover up through the Death of Cap arc
The run started with a fresh #1 so if you are reading digital you can just start there
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I also found this collection of all the action/fight scenes from the Raimi spider-man movies
Raimi directed the FUCK out of these scenes. And I got to give Tobey credit, his grunts and screams really helped sell the effort.
Raimi directed the FUCK out of these scenes. And I got to give Tobey credit, his grunts and screams really helped sell the effort.
BKatastrophe
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Aight we in there
Stegman on Inhuman was good, but I couldn't bear it on Uncanny Avengers. It looked terrible. No idea what happened.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
None of it makes sense. So the question is "does the shit look good or not"
That costume looks better than this one. They both look great! One's just a little better looking than the other is.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Here's volume 1 which collects #1-14, this one is #15-21 and the 70th Anniversary Special. This one collects the entirety of the Death of Captain America arc
There's more stuff from there, but that's like 50 issues and this when the run is at its best, so that should set you up for awhile.
I love the floaty rubbery character animation. SNES Kirby games had more weight to them.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
lol we want more of this.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Didn't read Uncanny Avengers so I had to Google it to see what you mean and... Yeah.
I really like his work on Superior Spider-Man.
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