Mighty Chin
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Thor was clearly stalling Ultron. Plus Ultron is quite strong too. That was his Final Form.
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Thor was clearly stalling Ultron. Plus Ultron is quite strong too. That was his Final Form.
I'm still pissed at how he went down so easy though. Felt like a missed opportunity to have the team work in tandem to bring him down, or at least have an actual toe to toe brawl with Thor or Hulk.
Mighty Chin
Banned
Growing up Ultron was my Favourite Badguy and I really wanted more menace from him. It's not a perfect movie but I'll take it.
I'm optimistic he'll return as a villain eventually. Would "Avengers: Rage of Ultron" be too on the nose for a followup?
A few changes to the timeline:
-SHIELD and the Avengers Initiative existed before Iron Man
-Battle of NY happens, World Council has qualms about Avengers
-After collapse of SHIELD, Avengers are privatized by Stark, and don't seem to be sanctioned by global governments
It is interesting that the accords are sort of like a global version of what the US government wanted to do in IM2.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Yeah, he should have wrecked Thor before Vision knocked him with the hammer, instead of playing it like another unnecessary joke. I really wanted Ultron to get some more 1v1 action against more of the team, he fought Iron Man in Africa, Cap in Seoul, we barely got to see him fighting Thor, and he gets wrecked by Hulk at the end. The "final" Ultron body was pathetic, the whole thing should have been made out of Vibranium.
I actually really liked Ultron's characterization in the movie, but they really should have gone full-on insane and sinister Ultron for the final act. Practically indestructible, cold and calculating. It would have been a nice contrast to his earlier versions and shown that he had fully abandoned humanity at that point. There were very brief glimpses of it in the finale, but he ultimately did not live up to it.
WadiumArcadium
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It was never going to happen but I always wanted Ultron Unlimited Ultron. Now he was a scary bastard.
Wasn't that his plan when he created the body that would become Vision?
But yeah, I'd rather would've had a full blown Ultron that was a legit threat to the team and the world.
And I'm still waiting for that callback to Tony's Iron Man suit being at 400% capacity after being struck by Thor's lightning, Marvel!
which wa stupid as hell
No big Avengers film at the end of Phase 4 but Annihilation Conquest.
Please make it happen Marvel
No mouth beam, no "Ultron, we would have words with thee," no indestructible chassis
what the hell were you thinking, Whedon
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Yeah, and sure he was foiled by the team but they could have written some other way for him to get a serious upgrading. It was just another example of the writers taking something meaningful away from the villain to boost development of the heroes.
It was fine that they needed Vision to defeat Ultron but after Vision knocked him offline he became a complete pushover.
Yeah, that was retarded as hell. Ultron just needed to seed himself to every computer / device in the world ever and he's immortal. And personally, if I were a sentient robot, I would coat my own parts with vibranium before trying to build a new vibraniumbody with all the risks attached.
Yeah, this is weird for me, too, because I remember he wanted to give Thor more on AoU (he said he's harder to write for).
But he misses that.
BronsonLee
Member
Not just the 'we will have words with thee' thing, but Vision picking up the hammer
Like, wot
AND the fakeout for Avengers Assemble
Like, wot
AND the fakeout for Avengers Assemble
ViewtifulJC
Banned
ya failed us, joss
I'm still mad at this.
-- Vision picks up Mjolnir after cock-teasing Cap picking it up.
-- No "We will have words with thee"
-- Avengers Assemble fake out.
After the movie I was all like
"Joss plz, what was that"
I literally yelled "motherfucker" at the cinema at that point.
BronsonLee
Member
All the major bits people were keen on/hoping for got blasted
Which is fine and all; Joss is my dude.
He did it too much. It's a 200 million dollar summer tentpole movie, not Serenity
I wonder why they didn't add 3 mins of Ultron kicking the Avengers around before they use teamwork and friendship to narrowly beat him.
Jack Remington
Banned
I feel like most of the problems with the movie came from the fact that they needed to introduce Vision. Vision in AoU is the equivalent of SHIELD in Iron Man 2.
Even though the train battle in Spider-Man 2 is one of my favorites in the entire series for how flashy and Spider-Man it is, I absolutely love Spidey vs Goblin in SM1. Like holy shit is that a raw ass fight. It's one of the few super hero fights where it actually looks like the villain is trying to kill the hero, and succeeding! If the movie wasn't called Spider-Man, you'd get the impression that Goblin was going to win that fight. The sound team also needs to be commended, because all of the grunts, punches, explosions and other audio was visceral as fuck. Such a great fight, and one of my top ones.
I also think Sandman vs Black Suit Spider-Man in the sewers/subway station was really well done as well. SM3 is a guilty pleasure of mine (I love it for a lot of the reasons people hate it), but it had some really nice action and Spidey moments in it).
Maybe he had a conference call with James Gunn and decided James got to use that McGuffin.
the fuck? Vision picking up the hammer was one of the highlights movie. Huge crowd reaction.
Also, Cap is obviously picking up the hammer in Infinity War. After Vision dies horribly.
Thor doesn't really talk like that in the movies though.
Also, Cap is obviously picking up the hammer in Infinity War. After Vision dies horribly.
Thor doesn't really talk like that in the movies though.
Wasn't that because of some joke about the movie being shorter than first one or something.
-- Vision picks up Mjolnir after cock-teasing Cap picking it up.
-- No "We will have words with thee"
-- Avengers Assemble fake out.
After the movie I was all like
"Joss plz, what was that"
The film has problems but that is all minor stuff. Pacing issues and an underwhelming goofy villain are the real problems. Not to mention the horrible romance and the endless quips.
Mighty Chin
Banned
Endless Quips. I fucking hate this complaint. Must be more dour.
Glass Rebel
Member
It's a legitimate complaint when it comes at the expense of good dialogue and character development.
BronsonLee
Member
The marketing probably didn't help too much either. I kind of expected Ultron to massacre people.
Mighty Chin
Banned
No it isn't. Because it doesn't come at the expense of any of that. It's still all there.
It doesn't though.
Any examples?
You wanted him to make a mound of burning bodies so big it could be seen from space?
With these fucking Joss Whedon films, I'm always forced to go back to Screenwriting 101, and a big four-letter word that comes to mind: FUCK. No, I'm just kidding. The word is CRAP. No, I'm just kidding. The word is SHIT. I'm just kidding. The word is PISS. I'm just kidding. The word is POOP. I'm just kidding. The word is GARBAGE. Naw, I'm just kidding, the word is TONE!
With all these dumb quips, most of them not funny, it constantly breaks any tension.
I don't know about good dialogue and character development but a quip that stood out to me and to this day still bugs me is the "he's adopted" line from Avengers. Really unnecessary for that moment and I thought it ruined the scene. It made it seem like Thor wasn't taking what Loki did seriously.
BronsonLee
Member
You wanted him to make a mound of burning bodies so big it could be seen from space?
Yeah something like that
Stack the bodies on high. I mean, he clearly did, but they're telling, not showing the Sokovia stuff
Can't open that now at work, but I don't recall movie Thor ever saying thee, thine, thy, etc. He just says "you."
Whedon is the one who goes somewhat overboard with these, but the character moments are there and there is some payoff for them.
I think films like IM1 and WS balance it perfectly.
Also, the audience loved that line.
Vault Dweller 111
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I like Ultron more than most. But I still had issues with it.
Probably the biggest one though, in the trailer Cap tries to pull a car off the collapsed bridge and fails, the car goes plummeting with a person inside. I thought the stakes would be higher and more innocents would be dying. Nope, Thor comes out of nowhere and saves her. And even though people DID die, you never see it. In fact Cap says 'we aren't leaving until everyone is safe' or some shit. And based on what we see, it looks like they actually succeed.
Probably the biggest one though, in the trailer Cap tries to pull a car off the collapsed bridge and fails, the car goes plummeting with a person inside. I thought the stakes would be higher and more innocents would be dying. Nope, Thor comes out of nowhere and saves her. And even though people DID die, you never see it. In fact Cap says 'we aren't leaving until everyone is safe' or some shit. And based on what we see, it looks like they actually succeed.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Yeah that scene in particular stood out like a sore thumb, with trying to keep the lighthearted tone when things should really be going to shit. It came off less like they wanted to protect young audiences, and more like they were completely afraid to show heroes failing. That car really should have kept plummeting to the ground, they don't need to show civilians dying but the whole thing ended way too "clean" for what was a potentially catastrophic event.
I think you're just being finicky. Movie Thor could say that line and it wouldn't be weird at all.
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