2 Super 2 Tuesday |OT| I'm Really Feeling (The Bern) (3/15, 3/22, 3/26 Contests)

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RustyNails said:
All according to Berniekaku

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gutter_trash said:
Apples and Oranges

Obama was not an independent outsider; he was groomed as a rising star from inside the Democratic Party's Power Plant,
Obama's Presidential campaign for 2008 started in 2004's with his Keynote Address

Sanders does not have the support from the Party
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Between this pic and the one a few pages back, I haven't seen people this delusional since Romney.
 
Sean C said:
Minor point: the Democrats have now appointed majorities of both the federal district and appellate courts, thanks to winning 4 of the last 6 presidential elections. The Supreme Court, with its conservative majority, is now acting as the last brake on an otherwise liberal judiciary.

If Hillary wins, let alone if she serves two terms, the judiciary will be incredibly liberal at all levels.
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You wrote exactly what I forgot to. Obama's election was a spaghett-monsters send to fix lower court appointments, and even that's been filibustered from here to the moon.

The pendulum is swinging back hard. The question is will the Dems be ready and have a strong, unified machine to take advantage of it. Or will minor infighting squander the chance to get anything along the lines of Bernies plan done.

The biggest key to get a more Bernie like party is the next redistricting effort. With the GOP controlling the state level, it's going to be headed to the courts.
 
TyrantII said:
You wrote exactly what I forgot to. Obama's election was a spaghett-monsters send to fix lower court appointments, and even that's been filibustered from here to the moon.

The pendulum is swinging back hard. The question is will the Dems be ready and have a strong, unified machine to take advantage of it. Or will minor infighting squander the chance to get anything along the lines of Bernies plan done.

The biggest key to get a more Bernie like party is the next redistricting effort. With the GOP controlling the state level, it's going to be headed to the courts.
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Which is why I continue to contend that if Sanders was truly genuine in his desire to start a true revolution he would start focusing his campaigning and campaign finances on the establishment of a polar opposite movement to the Tea Party that can challenge them in state and local elections.

You win the states you win the districting process. With that you win the house. If someone with the platform and finances would simply light he spark for that kind of movement we could see real shift in party lines where the democrats are forced to move left, moderate to left leaning Republican candidates could find shelter, moving their party further to the left, and the 10-20% of right wing extremists who fuel the Tea Party in local, off cycle, and mid-term elections would be effectively ostracized from the process.

They might get dangerous as a response, but that's the only real option to squash the regressive (not conservative, that is too kind a term) movement currently running through the GOP.
 
I just have a feeling the Republicans are going to try and do something, anything they can to stop Trump at the convention.

It's going to be historic, and it's going to be one of the biggest political bungles of our generation.

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T'Zariah said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUJiHlYFstc

The delusion is strong ya'll
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I don't understand how these clowns gained a sizeable audience. For the first 4 - 5 years of their existence, they were the bane of youtube. You would search for a video on, say, a cat parachuting off the empire state bulding. One of their videos would be the first to show up, so you'd click it. Then it would be this asshole talking about the cat parachuting off the Empire State Building for 5 minutes followed by a still image of the cat in mid flight. Sometimes they would show the video excerpt you were looking for, but you would have to scroll through the video to find it. Beyond that, they don't speak well and their commentary is purerile.
 
dramatis said:
I thought it was more like some winner-take-all states have different rules, like clearing 50% of the vote.
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It's more like in "true" winner-take-all (Florida, Ohio, etc.) the winner of the statewide vote wins all the delegates while in "winner-take-most" states (this is not the best description, winner-take-most is a more accurate description for the many of the earlier Super Tuesday primaries) the statewide winner takes all the at-large delegates while the winner of each congressional district takes all of the CD delegates, which means that in practice it is fairly close to winner take all unless it's super close (i.e. Missouri).

going forward:

"True" Winner Take All
Arizona
Delaware
Nebraska
Montana
New Jersey
South Dakota

Winner Take All (By CD and Statewide)
Wisconsin
Maryland
Pennyslvania*
Indiana
West Virginia
California

Winner Take All CDs, Proportional w/ WTA Threshold Statewide
Connecticut**

Winner Take Most CDs, Proportional w/ WTA Threshold Statewide
New York
Washington***

Proportional w/ a Winner Take All Threshold
Utah

Proportional w/ no threshold
Rhode Island
Oregon
New Mexico

*like in Illinois, a loophole primary, delegates are directly elected
**if a candidate gets 50% or more they take all the state's delegates, not just the at-large ones
***no WTA threshold for at-large delegates
 
theprodigy said:
It's more like in "true" winner-take-all (Florida, Ohio, etc.) the winner of the statewide vote wins all the delegates while in "winner-take-most" states (this is not the best description, winner-take-most is a more accurate description for the many of the earlier Super Tuesday primaries) the statewide winner takes all the at-large delegates while the winner of each congressional district takes all of the CD delegates, which means that in practice it is fairly close to winner take all unless it's super close (i.e. Missouri).
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No, what Miles X was asking is what is the difference between "winner take all" and "'true' winner take all". My guess is distinctions between states on how the delegates are allocated based on clearing some bar for WTA.

Wiki has separate "winner takes all" and "winner takes most" labels, so it's not that distinction.
 
ivysaur12 said:
Still a lot of unallocated delegates on the Dem side.
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I noticed that, wonder how long it'll be before all are allocated. I wanna see what lead Hillary has.

theprodigy said:
It's more like in "true" winner-take-all (Florida, Ohio, etc.) the winner of the statewide vote wins all the delegates while in "winner-take-most" states (this is not the best description, winner-take-most is a more accurate description for the many of the earlier Super Tuesday primaries) the statewide winner takes all the at-large delegates while the winner of each congressional district takes all of the CD delegates, which means that in practice it is fairly close to winner take all unless it's super close (i.e. Missouri).

going forward:

"True" Winner Take All
Arizona

Winner Take All (By CD and Statewide)
Wisconsin

Winner Take Most CDs, Proportional w/ WTA Threshold Statewide
New York

Proportional w/ a Winner Take All Threshold
Utah
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Thanks!
 
border said:
I've watched this clip several times and this is the first time that I noticed how his name tile in the lower third credits him as "Jimmy Dore, Comedian".

Not "Analyst." Not "Pundit". Not "Political Observer". Not "Person Whose Opinion You Should Consider and Take Seriously". Jimmy Dore, Comedian.
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therefore that excludes him from offering his opinions on an independent youtube channel.

sort it out mate.
 
dramatis said:
No, what Miles X was asking is what is the difference between "winner take all" and "'true' winner take all". My guess is distinctions between states on how the delegates are allocated based on clearing some bar for WTA.

Wiki has separate "winner takes all" and "winner takes most" labels, so it's not that distinction.
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Presumably the question is because wikipedia lists a bunch of states as having winner take all for both at-large and CD delegates-but that doesn't make it a "true winner-take-all" like Ohio, Florida, and a few other states are.

It has nothing to do with thresholds.
 
Heavy's Sandvich said:
therefore that excludes him from offering his opinions on an independent youtube channel.
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If you think that means he can't offer his opinions on a YouTube channel, I think you are being a little harsh.

I just think it's funny that that is how they choose to bill him, when it's clear they want to be taken seriously.
 
Oriel said:
Jesus. TYT have become a parody of the very thing they claim to be fighting against. The Fox News of online liberalism.
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I mean in that same clip John explains that he would have to win 60% of the delegates going forward and Cenk concedes that it is not looking good at all if he loses Illinois.

I don't see it as Fox news at all. Jimmy's bias is transparent and stated. Fox news's slogal is fair and balanced. It's clear Jimmy Dore is giving his personal "opinion" while it is also clear he is partially deluding himself to hype himself up and stay positive.

They have one similarity, in that they both have an agenda. TYT's agenda is keeping the powerful in check and promoting progressive politics. Fox New's agenda is being a propaganda outlet for the GOP.

Now, there is one important difference between TYT and Fox news and it is a very important one.

TYT gives you the facts and their (biased and transparent) opinion. They regularly state how they are biased, but ultimately try to be realistic.

Fox news purposefully alters the facts and present their opinions as "fair and balanced" news.

You can dislike TYT for sure, but I just think the comparison is highly flawed. It gives fox news way too much credit.
 
crazygambit said:
I'm not American, so this might be a very stupid question, but what happens to the delegates Rubio had?

Are they split amongst the other candidates based on the votes they got in each state? That would seem like the normal way to do it, but then you have to consider that the votes of one candidate aren't likely to be split evenly, but are more likely to go to a candidate closer in ideology.

Or are they just lost and no one can get them?
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Answering my own question...

Apparently it isn't all that simple:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/marco-rubio-delegates_us_56e8c47fe4b0b25c9183d48a
 
Kaladin said:
I just have a feeling the Republicans are going to try and do something, anything they can to stop Trump at the convention.

It's going to be historic, and it's going to be one of the biggest political bungles of our generation.
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I want to see a wrestling ring erupt out of the ground and Jeb issuing the final challenge - "Here and now, let's settle this!"

Jeb loses anyway
 
HylianTom said:
This is an emotional argument, based on feelings. There are a multitude of options for letting your voice be known; the Presidency is but one of many avenues through which you can exert your voice. Work on the folks who actually author and negotiate laws, for instance.

Y'know what's asinine? Handing over the judiciary to folks who would see your vision buried for a generation.

Let's play-out a possible scenario, shall we?

Let's say that the temper tantrum throwers get their way here: Hillary loses here in 2016.
Great. The wench was too moderate anyway!
Trump or Cruz is elected instead.
The new President nominates Scalia's replacement, one in the mold of Scalia.
Ginsburg or Breyer are pretty old; odds are that one of them doesn't make it through the first term.
The new President replaces one. The court is now 6-3 conservative.
Anthony Kennedy turns 80 in a few months. He sees his shot at retiring when the new President takes office.
That 6-3 majority gets younger. The chance to flip the court to a liberal lean fades.
It'll be a few decades before the court could ever lean left again.

Then, in 2020, the voters have had enough of President Trump's asshattery - glorious backlash election occurs!
Bernie 2.0 is elected.
He brings with him coattails: a Democratic Congress!
The dream is being realized!

Bernie 2.0 and the new Congress set out immediately to enact their agenda.
The first batch of bills hits Bernie 2.0's desk. He takes out his pen and signs it, to great progressive celebration.
And as soon as the ink dries on Bernie 2.0's signature, the GOP or their corporate buddies file suit in court to stop this legislation from ever taking effect.

Ruling.
Appeal.
Appellate ruling.
Appeal.
SCOTUS, by a vote of 6-3 or 5-4, rules to kill Bernie 2.0's legislative achievement.

Repeat for anything remotely controversial that gets passed Bernie 2.0 and his Congress.

Liberals are horrified to realize: "what good is winning in 2020 and beyond if there's a judiciary in place, ready to kill anything that's challenged before them?"

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I'm guessing that you consider yourself serious about the long-term viability of Bernie's policy agenda. In which case, I'd say it's foolish to condemn that agenda to judicial death for 20-30 years.

Don't give me a response on how you feel. Or how Hillary is too moderate, or too corporate, or too scheming. None of those responses substantively counter what I've plainly laid-out before you. The mechanics of how our system works don't give a damn about your feelings.

If you're at all serious about keeping Bernie's vision alive for the future, so that we can elect Bernie 2.0 knowing that his agenda is viable, there's only one logical choice in November.
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It's like Notorious RBG herself posted. Requoting for visibility.
 
ivysaur12 said:
It's official.
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CNN disagrees
Stephanie Fleming, a spokeswoman for the Missouri secretary of state's office, told CNN that 100% of precincts have reported, but some absentee and provisional ballots remain uncounted. These ballots will be counted in the coming days. Overseas absentee ballots will be accepted until Friday at noon. The secretary of state's office could not say how many uncounted ballots remain.
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