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[THE:MILKMAN]

How does this end lol.

He just throws the barbell down and does a lot woo's and grunts if I remember the Virtually Famous episode..

 

[Obliterator]

Where's the 3TF number coming from?

Jeff Rigby just saying what would be possible on an APU at this point with the same power draw. Doesn't mean thats what is in it but if they are shooting for the same level of power draw 3TF is what is in that range

 

[Cow Goes Moo]

If they're going the apple/phone route at least give me an upgrade plan.

download gpu update
$49.99 off for existing ps4 users

 

[wonderful103]

Yea and that's why so many PC versions of games run great on all configs?

PC actually takes more work, which is why a lot of games that get ported, are done by third party sometimes.

If blizzard has a hard time getting Diablo 3 reaper of souls getting 1080p 60fps on xbox because of the weeker GPU, and needed extra engineers to get it done. I would say my comments have merit.

ANd blizzard are kings of optimization. How do you think someone like treyarch, evolution, or how about CD Project red who had a hell of a time performance wise, try and get Witcher 3 to work on all 4 configs, meaning xbox vanilla, PS4 vanilla, xbox enhanced, ps4 enhanced.

How much more work, time do you think is needs? How will maybe the different configs react with their game, if the gpu does something different memory wise, will that add more work to utilize it?

No one knows, but what I do know is there's a reason outside of just sales third party's did not want to develop on wii u. Different config.

Even though this enhanced PS4/XBOX will be same architecture might be same cpu but different gpu or vice versa or both, it's will add to work flow.

Good god man, it's all coding to industry-standard APIs with a side of additional QA. How your game runs is dictated by time and money spent the majority of the time.

 

[phanphare]

Where's the 3TF number coming from?

here

Considering the Efficiency increases in Carrizo, if applied to a new Console APU, they could get more than 40% decrease in power or a similar increase in performance. In the past Sony chose to reduce the power used which helped decrease costs. This time they might choose to increase performance to support VR better...that being the only difference between older and newer PS4 or about 3 TF instead of 1.8 TF at the same power.

4K gaming, as many have stated is just not possible @ 28nm and will wait for 14NM FinFET Zen + Polaris + HBM in 2018+.

 

[Dragon Puncher]

Whelp, I guess I was wrong in my initial impression then. In that case, I think a lot of this has been misinterpreted about it being an actual substantial hardware upgrade for 4k gaming and it's more likely just a hardware revision for HDMI 2.0+ and 4k output if it's coming out in 2016.

Yeah, if this releases in 2016 there's no way it's an actual true hardware revision that would split the user base. Timing makes no sense and there's no way they would be able to make an affordable console with true 4K capacity with modern games.

 

[farisr]

Ok so let's say that you can insert any current PS4 game into the PS4.5, and it automatically display it at 60fps (if the game was 30), and with better AA or something like that.

I think I would be ok.

That scenario would be okay, if the ps4.5 reads the ps4 game code/disc and basically runs it at a higher performance then it'd be fine. But if it needs to be specifically ported to or something, that'd just work against one of the main draws of owning a console if you have a ps4 which is console specific optimization, as the more consoles there are to port too, the less specific optimizations there are made.

 

[mauaus]

i upgraded my 3DS, i would be willing to sell my current PS4 for a better one.

 

[ROUGE_BLOCK]

Well if this path of consoles this generation it is time to invest in PC gaming

 

[GnawtyDog]

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Noooooooooo............

It's time ND jumps ship ala Bundie.

 

[Synth]

Ok so let's say that you can insert any current PS4 game into the PS4.5, and it automatically display it at 60fps (if the game was 30), and with better AA or something like that.

I think I would be ok.

I'd imagine that many games would need to be patched to remove any framerate caps or whatever in order for that to happen. By default most game would probably run exactly the same as they do today (just with less performance dips). A new hi-spec mode would need to be patched in for stuff like increased AA or 60fps (unless the framerate was uncapped already).

 

[Optimusdouche]

Not at all. I've already said people are latching onto the 4k part of the article too much imo. You will likely see pretty much 0 AAA games at 4k on it



Eh it would be enough to help with VR, get a little better effects, and lock in 60fps on 1080p games for the most part. Thats a pretty nice upgrade

Yea, I agree. It's probably for branding and marketing purposes. PS4k, makes sense to people. " Oh it's just a PS4 for a higher resolution."

PS4.5 is kinda ungainly, and less obvious what the point of it is.

 

[Loris146]

Once they have a few exclusive PS4.5 games, it would be a problem. They're copying Sega if they go this route. The current PS4 can't do 4K, so their would be games that are *exclusive* to the PS4.5.

Sony would screw over PSVR too. Its either PSVR or a console with better visuals. The consumer will be even more confused on which to get. If Sony wants VR to succeed, its wiser to stick to their PS4 than simply introducing more upgraded hardware.

There won't be 4k games.

 

[Giriath_89]

My mind went to the worst possible place you just know one of these overly ambitious devs will make a game for this thing and its going to run bad on the og ps4...ugh i see it happening now

Sony would not allow this. Games will be made for the original PS4, with resolution, frame-rate and/or some graphics settings turned up on the new model.

 

[DavidDesu]

Guys this IS a new console, essentially. Or this is how all new consoles are going to be from now on.

When a new phone comes out do all the new apps only work for the new phone and not the old one? Of course not.

Even NX. It's all moving this way. Your older platform or model, will still work, like an older phone, but it just might not run everything in the best possible manner.

Since the real cash cow is in the subscription services, and for other reasons, it always seemed like they would do this. Would Sony really let all those tens of millions of PS+ subscribers a chance to move to MS? Nah, if you keep their library viable on the next platform, no one is going to switch over and throw all those games away.

I think, graphically we are reaching a point of diminishing returns that allows this to be possible, also.

This. I think it's going this way and as long as PS4 titles all work on the newer machine and newer titles stil work on original PS4 models, it's fine. Curious about price and release details. No way it will release this year when PSVR is, end of next year maybe. At which point Sony have a problem as anyone who knows about this being a reality is going to just wait and PS4 sales could slow down dramatically..

 

[Gurish]

So nearly pointless for anybody without a 4KTV? I can handle that.

I think people take this 4K label too seriously, most games would probably run at 60 fps and on high/ultra settings, only few will be 4K, maybe some indies or first gen PS4 games (cross gen) through patches.

4K will be more like a marketing thing than anything substantial, just like with how Sony said the PS3 supports 1080P, they tried to present it as a 1080P machine back than.

 

[Link_enfant]

Doesn't surprise me that much if true.

 

[Muzicfreq]

I call this BS. Sony would do like sega and shoot themselves in the foot like the genesis CD

It's already been like what? 3 years? and people were calling for 5 years. Also to begin working =/= made and ready for launch

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

download gpu update
$49.99 off for existing ps4 users

Pfft make it $99.99 ill take it. No seriously tho how much we talking here...

O god...im getting sucked in

 

[phanphare]

Noooooooooo............

why is that bad? seems ideal to me..

 

[Mushroom021]

There it is. Current ps4 userbase, we currently own the gimped version of ps4

 

[Jigorath]

If they're going the apple/phone route at least give me an upgrade plan.

They weren't even willing to do an upgrade plan for $15 PS2 Classics.

It's not going to happen.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

PS4.5 will launch with Street Fighter 5: Complete Turbo and Knack Remastered

Knack 1.5: This One is a Gem

 

[perfectsil]

I want one

 

[The Lone Courier]

So this upgrade promises what exactly? Higher frame rate, better resolution, and optimization for VR?

 

[M.D]

Sure thing. I'm just giving some examples of what all could be done with it. If Sony put out a 3TF PS4 with a bit better CPU it would be worth the upgrade

I'm just pointing to the fact that there's no evidence developers will opt for 60fps over making their games look even better if given the option

 

[Kindekuma]

Knack 1.5: This One is a Gem

Finally running at a rock solid 30 FPS!

 

[Cow Goes Moo]

They weren't even willing to do an upgrade plan for $15 PS2 Classics.

It's not going to happen.

Shu- we added new off the shelf chips, so uh we can't accomodate existing users, sorry

 

[mrklaw]

I survived this fucking PS4 launch stampede just to see people who buy later get the same games running better? Seriously?

This is going on to be PC territory. Know where it started. This is the new horse armor. It only gets worse from here on. Screw those idiots.

Three years ago. It'll be three years ago by this fall. You'll have had three years value from your purchase and can continue to enjoy it for probably another three years. Or you can choose to get a more powerful one.

Choose. Not forced to. Why would you want to forcibly restrict choice from people just because you bought something a few years ago? Do you think people shouldn't be allowed IPhone 6s because you brought an iPhone 5?

 

[Asd202]

So this upgrade promises what exactly? Higher frame rate, better resolution, and optimization for VR?

Seems like it.

 

[RiccochetJ]

I knew they mentioned it, I meant that would be this make them force their hand and try to release it this year or early next year?

Ah. That's a good question. I think we might see something at E3 but not because of this news. I think they might have a hardware revision in response to Playstation VR by having Oculus support. Note that I'm saying I think which means I'm pulling all of this out of my butt.

 

[Inviusx]

So basically if I don't have a 4K TV then I have no reason to upgrade?

I am ok with this.

 

[Exodust]

Can't wait till I play a director's cut of another shitty David Cage game.

In glorious 4K with VR showers.

 

[DasPenguin]

Not buying another playstation, games are barely being released as is.

Easily my favourite logic here at GAF. Remasters (MCC), driving games (Forza) and average to terrible games (Ryse, Sunset) only count when they are on Xbox. Am I playing this right? Infamous, Driveclub, The Order... these just don't exist at all. And yes, as long as people keep bringing up Ryse you can add Order to the list.

I have no problem if someone doesn't like the games a certain console manufacturer is putting out there, but the "PS has no gamez" song and dance has been going on for like two generations in a row. Give it a rest.

Personally if console manufacturers start shortening console cycles and update the machines every few years, I'm out. Then I'll just get a beefier PC. I might miss some Playstation games or new franchises that won't come out on PC, but that's about it. I'll manage. Outside of GTA which only comes out every 5 years or so these days, I don't care one bit about franchises that have been beaten to death. Looking at you COD, Gears, Halo, God of War and all the other usual suspects. That even applies to Nintendo in my case.

 

[prwxv3]

I survived this fucking PS4 launch stampede just to see people who buy later get the same games running better? Seriously?

This is going on to be PC territory. Know where it started. This is the new horse armor. It only gets worse from here on. Screw those idiots.

It's not sony's fault you can't handle other people having a superior version. There is nothing negative for you otherwise.

 

[Papacheeks]

But this wouldn't be like Sega adding a CD drive or 32X because this will be a PS4 that play PS4 games in 4K.


People without 4K can just get the PS4 while people who have 4K or plan to get 4K can get the PS4 that has 4K scan out.

Do you understand how sega's hardware worked? The had similar chips which is why 32X, sega CD could all be add on's to the genesis. On the sega saturn they did what Nintendo did and had a 8mb upgrade expansion that made some games run better, faster. It was only available in Japan. But people who had it could play games in much better conditions. And those games without on the same console played worse.

Not saying it's the same situation but it's similar and one that can depending on the config, developer and engine can cause discrepancy issues.

 

[Bl@de]

Pfft make it $99.99 ill take it. No seriously tho how much we talking here...

O god...im getting sucked in

We will all buy it and they know it

 

[StoneFox]

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with consoles coming out with newer hardware every few years as long as the older models don't get left behind in the process. Such as both the GBA and the GBASP co-existing.

This allows for people to opt in for a cheaper model if they cannot afford the newest one and still be able to play the same games on either system, with the possibility of the newest one having slightly better performance or resolution, or at the very least more memory space.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

They weren't even willing to do an upgrade plan for $15 PS2 Classics.

It's not going to happen.

*cries...o god dont do this too me sony. Its a sad day on neogaf when blackleg gets pessimistic. How much will it be? When? Why? Who? I need answers lol

 

[Plinko]

Higher framerate, not just res.

So for 95% of consumers, PS4.5 will be pointless. Again, I'll take it.

 

[Son Of Sparda]

No bro. All games will be played on both consoles. The newer one runs it better.

You mean like cross-gen games? Great I can now be on the other side of the deal with my 8th generation console.

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

What the hell are you babbling about? I'm saying if Sony had a desktop OS that had 100's of millions of users with a gaming store baked in they would of course use it. The idea of business is to expand and make more money. What does this have to do with whatever you are talking about?

Your post that I responded to was nothing more than "Sony too!" with nothing to back it up.

 

[Dahaka]

Could this be based on ZEN?

Imagine letting go that lowly CPU of the PS4 and going ZEN.

Spoiler

WHAT DO I KNOW OTHER THAN NOTHING

 

[Mediking]

There it is. Current ps4 userbase, we currently own the gimped version of ps4

The realization is sinking in...

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Isn't this basically like how there was a 360 and PS3 slim? But now the hardware is actually improved. How many folks eventually ended up getting those slim versions?

 

[Pokemaniac]

Um... what? No he specifically was talking about even if you change the gpu to a beefier version of what's already there, you have to program and code for it, which is adding extra work in production for that game/title.

Having a PS4/XBOX AND Wii U version of a game add's work that because of their different configurations in hardware, OS and what not.

So yes he was talking about the same thing. WHich is what this basically is and is why some developers Patrick asked about it sighed, and had confusion.

I suppose this might be nitpicking a bit, but the PS4 and Xbone probably aren't particularly more similar to each other from an OS perspective than they are to the Wii U. Each runs a substantially different OS (PS4 is BSD based, Xbone is Windows based, and Wii U's OS appears to have been made entirely in-house by Nintendo), and will require platform specific code.

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

We will all buy it and they know it

Err no, we won't all but it. I JUST bought a PS4 on Black Friday 2015. No way in hell am I putting out for a newish PS4 or a newish XB1.

I'll drop both and focus on PC solely.

 

[Exodust]

Knack 1.5: This One is a Gem

The best selling platformer of this generation is back!

Spoiler

in pog form

 

[texhnolyze]

So here's the scenario. Sony releases the first batch of PSVR games. Unfortunately they don't run greatly and introduce motion sickness. People are in despair and hate Sony for that. Then Sony comes to the rescue by introducing the PS 4,5. With it,PSVR games will run perfectly. In the end, Sony is the hero once again and everyone love them all over again.

 

[The Lone Courier]

So its a console version of the Elite Xbone controller.