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[Scipio]

This market, which is very cautious in switching systems, will not buy more expensive hardware to combine with expensive hardware that they don't have/need (VR and 4K TV).

And those that would, play on their PC.

But if they'd release one, the names has to be PlayStation 4K.

 

[NEO0MJ]

It's very likely not going to be a 4k native resolution for most (if any) games, it will likely be an upscale to 4k.

Yep. Even with a GTX 980 you'd still struggle with playing modern games in 4K.

 

[Man]

I guess this means PlayStation Family will once again start to be used in revenue reports. Not as a band-aid this time but as an indicator of through-output of console-sales.

 

[Silent Hill]

It will be 4K for movies etc at best. Nothing more.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

If only there was another industry that did yearly hardware refreshes in retail that they could model themselves after.

on devices one 8th the size?

Even ignoring that practicallity, Do you not realise the mobile industry had 13-15 years of establishing that model of distribution before Apple even came into the picture?

Thinking a model of distribution can model itself after a industry that has had nearly 22 years of experience at this point is ridiciulous.

 

[The Artisan]

That's like getting upset because a hybrid get better gas mileage than your standard car & not wanting to buy gas anymore because other cars get more out of a gallon of gas.

I really don't think cars work well as an analogy here man.

Does this bother Xbox One only gamers with multiplats?

That seems like a silly reason.

Not sure what you're trying to say here sir, but I'm willing to discuss further...can you elaborate?

The thing is, it is only wrong because you are not upgrading.

I mean, if you can't afford or doesn't want one, I think you should really learn to live with it.

Just like how PS3 owners wouldn't feel good that they can't play the latest PS4 games now. But hey that's how technology works. This is basically like 'if I can't experience it better, nobody should' thing.

Do I really seem like the only one upset about this to you? I want the best version possible and I want it to be the only one, that's what consoles have always been. And it won't change for me; I want the best version possible and if that means incrementally getting new hardware, I might have to say goodbye.

It's not a "if I can't do it no one should" thing, that's a misinterpretation because like I said, as of even right now, there are people out there with better Ps4 gaming experiences than me simply because they may have a bigger TV with a better display. That doesn't change the hardware but that certainly does enhance the experience. However, if this turns out to be true and people buy into it, then so be it if that's what the consumer wants (although it does seem a lot of people are likeminded in this thread) but it's not what I want. To each their own, I might just have to opt out.

There are PC's out there playing games at much better settings than the PS4 (don't get me wrong I prefer playing on the consoles).

Sometimes one console will have the superior version of a port than other console (say, PS3 x 360, Xbox One x PS4), will you never play the slightly inferior version because the other console has it better? I have played ports that are considered 'trainwrecks' such as Bayonetta yet I had a fully enjoyable experience. It's not a big deal.

Of course not. I had a Ps2 two gens ago, and my friends who played on Xbox I was quite amazed by the graphics. But the thing is, there was only one Ps2, and only one Xbox. There wasn't a Ps2.5 or an Xbox 1.5. The Ps2 was its own platform, the Xbox was its own platform, and the PC is its own platform and one that's really a part of its own market too imo. It's still gaming overall but I've perceived it as complementary to console gaming, under the whole gaming umbrella.

 

[Will0827]

Are people feeling this upset about the NX, the WII U was released in 2012 and the NX might release this year or the next which will be either 4 or 5 years, Is it because there are so many ps4's out there ?

 

[Moreche]

I actually like this approach to the future of console gaming but one thing I like about revisions of current HW is the silence, my new PS4 is quieter than my launch one, same with my PS3.

 

[Neuromancer]

Does anyone have metrics on 4k adoption? I literally don't know a single person with a 4k TV.

Are people feeling this upset about the NX, the WII U was released in 2012 and the NX might release this year or the next which will be either 4 or 5 years, Is it because there are so many ps4's out there ?

WiiU was a failure, saleswise, so it makes sense for Nintendo to put out a successor earlier rather than later.

 

[funkystudent]

What if instead of replacing the current PS4 they doa 2 sku model ala Nintendo handhelds like the DSi and New 3DS but the new system actually has better support and reasons to buy without nesseary being a full replacement for the old box.

The biggest problem with the DSi and New 3DS is no one ever really did anything with the extra hardware. Here Sony and western 3rd parties are a little more high end so I am sure they could get some support for a new box.


So lets say they have PS4 and PS4 Plus.

All PS4 games work on both systems and all future games will as well.

PS4 Plus is works better for VR. Native 1080p / 120 hz? where as PS4 standard will be mostly going for 1080 / 60 + interpolation
PS4 Plus is technically capable at running at 4K. 4K movies and upresed games. Maybe a small number of games a native 4K.
Games can have visual enhancements on PS4 Plus but still need to run on PS4 Standard.

And if a new box is out next year maybe... 299 for PS4 Standard and 399 or more for PS4 Plus?

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Are people feeling this upset about the NX, the WII U was released in 2012 and the NX might release this year or the next which will be either 4 or 5 years, Is it because there are so many ps4's out there ?

I wouldnt wven ask that.

Id ask how many people here who are complaining bought multiple 360s and PS3 slims? Why is this so different?

 

[LostDonkey]

What if instead of replacing the current PS4 they doa 2 sku model ala Nintendo handhelds like the DSi and New 3DS but the new system actually has better support and reasons to buy without nesseary being a full replacement for the old box.

So you have PS4 and PS4 Plus.

So all games work on both systems.

PS4 Plus is works better for VR. Native 1080p / 120 hz? where as PS4 standard will be mostly going for 1080 / 60 + interpolation
PS4 Plus is technically capable at running at 4K. 4K movies and upresed games. Maybe a small number of games a native 4K.
Games can have visual enhancements on PS4 Plus but still need to run on PS4 Standard.

And if a new box is out next year maybe... 299 for PS4 Standard and 399 or more for PS4 Plus?

A PS4 can never run at native 120hz unless they change the GPU port from HDMI. HDMI is limited to 60hz. It would need to be Display port or DVI.

It will always need the reprojection from the VR headset unless that is changed.

 

[David Ricardo]

Not if the regualr PS4 is reduced in price. 3ds sales didnt crater because the 3dsxl existed.

I think you are refering to new3DS. I don't believe Nintendo considers that a success. I don't expect a NewNew3DS any time soon.

If OG PS4 drops to sub 299, then plenty of people will still buy it. Most people don't even have 4K capable TV sets. This device will be for 4K mavens and VR nuts.

Even if it drops to 250, if the new one is 400 it's still a better deal. It will run games better than the PS4 and it will last 3 years longer. That for just 150€ Extra.

PS4 can get a price drop.

See above

Are we expecting this to release in 6-8 months? I thought this would be like a late 2017 thing.

I'd be content with buying the PS4 at a lower price even with the PS4.5 already out as long as it plays the same games, despite it being at a lower resolution/frame rate. Price and time of release would be pretty big factors for me.

I'll be waiting until E3 before I make any purchases since it seems this gen is throwing some curve balls our way.

Zoetis said this year. He's been checked by Bish and told us about TLG being in E315. His track record isn't perfect, though. He said PGW would be bigger than E3 and he was way way off in that prediction.

Late 2017 would be somewhat bearable. But I don't understand why Sony would want to cut this gen short when they are winning.

 

[Zoetis]

It will be 4K for movies etc at best. Nothing more.

why ?

 

[De_Legend]

why ?

Here we go

 

[Red Devil]

Late 2017 would be somewhat bearable. But I don't understand why Sony would want to cut this gen short when they are winning.

Probably it doesn't have to with Sony's performance on the video game side. Assuming any of this is true that is.

 

[AniHawk]

regarding price, i don't think sony will keep two skus around where one is a weaker product than the other. they'll probably just have a $400 ps4k version stick around as the main one and let the old version sell out.

 

[Man]

Didn't AMD hint at a new console project or something a couple of months back?
Was this the NX?

 

[D4Danger]

why ?

Unless Sony have been hiding the world's most advanced GPU behind the sofa there's no way it's going to be a 4K gamig machine. It might technically do 4K gaming but you're not getting Uncharted 4K and it won't be anywhere near $399 like some people think.

 

[gamz]

Unless Sony have been hiding the world's most advanced GPU behind the sofa there's no way it's going to be a 4K gamig machine. It might technically do 4K gaming but you're not getting Uncharted 4K

Maybe smaller indie games?

 

[Red Devil]

Didn't AMD hint at a new console project or something a couple of months back?
Was this the NX?

Well, it's assumed it was that, and even then it might not be this.

 

[Synth]

I find it interesting that there have been so many posts regarding even playing fields online. I assume nobody with this view had been championing cross-platform gaming, and complained about MS previously preventing Xbox from playing against players from other ecosystems. Right?

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

Have any other outlets come out and talked about this?

For something that Kotaku assured us was revealed by multiple developers and multiple sources, we sure ain't hearing much more about it, especially not from Kotaku themselves.

This rumor smells.

 

[D4Danger]

Maybe smaller indie games?

I'm sure there are some games that could do it but you only have to look at the current PC market to see it's not an easy thing. The high end GPUs that you'd need are massive and expensive.

People who think this means 4K AAA games. No.

 

[Neuromancer]

So looking at Best Buy's best selling TVs, you have to scroll down to the 18th listing before you get a 4K TV. I am finding it hard to believe that 4K adoption is so high that this is a worthwhile proposition.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/tvs/all-flat-panel-tvs/abcat0101001.c?id=abcat0101001

Same thing at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-LED-LCD-TVs/zgbs/electronics/6459737011

 

[The God]

regarding price, i don't think sony will keep two skus around where one is a weaker product than the other. they'll probably just have a $400 ps4k version stick around as the main one and let the old version sell out.

That would be a price increase though. Doesn't make sense.

 

[Neuromancer]

Have any other outlets come out and talked about this?

For something that Kotaku assured us was revealed by multiple developers and multiple sources, we sure ain't hearing much more about it, especially not from Kotaku themselves.

This rumor smells.

Not a single developer has said anything about it here either. I don't expect anyone to break NDAs but if these meetings were as rampant as Kotaku suggests I think we would have heard from at least one or two of them.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

So looking at Best Buy's best selling TVs, you have to scroll down to the 18th listing before you get a 4K TV. I am finding it hard to believe that 4K adoption is so high that this is a worthwhile proposition.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/tvs/all-flat-panel-tvs/abcat0101001.c?id=abcat0101001

Same thing at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-LED-LCD-TVs/zgbs/electronics/6459737011

Sony themselves aren't really trying to push 4k all that hard.

If this rumor stated that the goal was to release a more powerful VR headset and therefore the PS4 needed more power (still doesn't make sense, considering Sony's stated goals for PSVR) then it miiiiiiight be a bit more realistic.

But the whole "4k gaming" thing sounds like schoolyard rumors. It simply doesn't make sense.

Not a single developer has said anything about it here either. I don't expect anyone to break NDAs but if these meetings were as rampant as Kotaku suggests I think we would have heard from at least one or two of them.

The whole situation seems fishy to me. Some people in this thread are too eager for it to be true. Quoting myself from earlier:

Maybe instead of getting defensive, you could acknowledge that the article adds a significant amount of padding to some bare-bones rumors.

The opening statement is:

Sony is currently planning a new version of the PS4 with increased graphical power and games running at 4K resolution, developer sources tell Kotaku.

But then you go on to say:

It’s unclear if ‘PS4.5’ is an official name or just a nickname that developers have been using.

So, a big part of this is that you make an extremely strong supposition. After all, 'PS4.5' implies that the hardware will be iterative but won't actually be a generational leap. It carries with it all sorts of implications, and since you already admitted you're not sure if it's an official name, a nickname, or maybe just an internal nickname given by Sony, the whole thing kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

And then your story ends with this:

Sony is exploring the possibility of releasing a more powerful console way before the PlayStation 5.

"Exploring the possibility" is a little bit of a backpedal compared to your bold title of "Sony is working on Playstation 4.5" and your bold opening statement, isn't it?

Perhaps this is why some people are leery.

But no. No, the only people calling bullshit are those who didn't click your article...

It feels as though the article (especially the title) was written to get the most clicks and Facebook posts and stir up a reaction while the body of the article itself included a healthy dose of ambiguity, doubt, and CYA to make it look like they were just faithful citizens reporting on a possible rumor.

 

[DieH@rd]

They should get new polaris APU, render every game in 1440p and then do upscale/downscale depending on present TV capabilities [1080p or 4K].

Have any other outlets come out and talked about this?

For something that Kotaku assured us was revealed by multiple developers and multiple sources, we sure ain't hearing much more about it, especially not from Kotaku themselves.

This rumor smells.

If anyone will do it, I think Digital Foundry will post some article about it [even if it pure speculative one, without any sources they can contact].

 

[D4Danger]

They should get new polaris APU, render every game in 1440p and then do upscale/downscale depending on present TV capabilities [1080p or 4K].

Having enough power to downscale to 1080p would be nice. It's great on the PC.

 

[Caffeine]

as long as all the games still work on og ps4 I wouldnt have an issue with this.

 

[RE_Player]

If Quantum Break can't break 720p on Xbox One how on Earth could a rumoured PS4.5 and a revision of the Xbox One play games at 4K when these systems can barely hit 900p/1080p? That's the pill I find hard to swallow after Patrick Klepek's Kotaku article.

 

[onQ123]

A PS4 can never run at native 120hz unless they change the GPU port from HDMI. HDMI is limited to 60hz. It would need to be Display port or DVI.

It will always need the reprojection from the VR headset unless that is changed.

 

[Pif]

So looking at Best Buy's best selling TVs, you have to scroll down to the 18th listing before you get a 4K TV. I am finding it hard to believe that 4K adoption is so high that this is a worthwhile proposition.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/tvs/all-flat-panel-tvs/abcat0101001.c?id=abcat0101001

Same thing at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-LED-LCD-TVs/zgbs/electronics/6459737011

If Sony pushes a 4k machine at sub-400 it will open the doors for spikes in sales for their own line up of 4k TVs.

It's DVD and Blu ray all over again.

 

[mrklaw]

why ?

Honestly - verified or not - this tactic of living single word responses to select lists is just fanning the flames. Either give us some information that'll help us understand what is supposed to be coming, or don't. Your current approach is not helping at all

 

[Bgamer90]

So looking at Best Buy's best selling TVs, you have to scroll down to the 18th listing before you get a 4K TV. I am finding it hard to believe that 4K adoption is so high that this is a worthwhile proposition.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/tvs/all-flat-panel-tvs/abcat0101001.c?id=abcat0101001

Same thing at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-LED-LCD-TVs/zgbs/electronics/6459737011

Similar arguments were made for the Xbox 360's HD gaming push and HDTVs.

I think a system with some 4K versions of current gen games would create more interest in 4K TVs.

 

[Pif]

If Quantum Break can't break 720p on Xbox One how on Earth could a rumoured PS4.5 and a revision of the Xbox One play games at 4K when these systems can barely hit 900p/1080p? That's the pill I find hard to swallow after Patrick Klepek's Kotaku article.

I don't see the problem running Ori and the Blind Forest at 4k. Quantum Break though? Full 1080 and 60fps.

Just because it supports it doesn't mean every game will be 4k.

 

[Silent Hill]

why ?

It wont be for 4K games. Even a 980ti struggles with modern games at 4K. And price.

Maybe indies but no AAA games.

 

[DieH@rd]

Having enough power to downscale to 1080p would be nice. It's great on the PC.

On Radeons downscaling is done by scaling the final framebuffer, just before it is sent to the display. It is very fast.

On Gforce, downscaling is done by a GPU shader task, which impacts the game peformance a bit [not by much, 1-2% at most].

 

[ArtHands]

I really don't think cars work well as an analogy here man.

Not sure what you're trying to say here sir, but I'm willing to discuss further...can you elaborate?

Do I really seem like the only one upset about this to you? I want the best version possible and I want it to be the only one, that's what consoles have always been. And it won't change for me; I want the best version possible and if that means incrementally getting new hardware, I might have to say goodbye.

It's not a "if I can't do it no one should" thing, that's a misinterpretation because like I said, as of even right now, there are people out there with better Ps4 gaming experiences than me simply because they may have a bigger TV with a better display. That doesn't change the hardware but that certainly does enhance the experience. However, if this turns out to be true and people buy into it, then so be it if that's what the consumer wants (although it does seem a lot of people are likeminded in this thread) but it's not what I want. To each their own, I might just have to opt out.
Of course not. I had a Ps2 two gens ago, and my friends who played on Xbox I was quite amazed by the graphics. But the thing is, there was only one Ps2, and only one Xbox. There wasn't a Ps2.5 or an Xbox 1.5. The Ps2 was its own platform, the Xbox was its own platform, and the PC is its own platform and one that's really a part of its own market too imo. It's still gaming overall but I've perceived it as complementary to console gaming, under the whole gaming umbrella.

Just because you are not the only one upset, doesn't justify anything though. No doubt everyone wants to have the best version possible ever, but on the other side of the pendulum, it means discouraging advancement. I have no idea why will you want to deprive yourself from playing and entertaining video games because of this petty reason.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

If anyone will do it, I think Digital Foundry will post some article about it [even if it pure speculative one, without any sources they can contact].

We are approximately 24 hours after the original "story" broke.

I find it extremely hard to believe that these rumors were as prevalent as Kotaku is making it sound while at the same time we are not hearing a peep or any corroborating reports from any developer or news outlet.

The fact that even N4G-tier gaming sites don't feel confident in reposting Kotaku's rumor should tell you enough...

 

[funkystudent]

If Quantum Break can't break 720p on Xbox One how on Earth could a rumoured PS4.5 and a revision of the Xbox One play games at 4K when these systems can barely hit 900p/1080p? That's the pill I find hard to swallow after Patrick Klepek's Kotaku article.

I see native 4k gaming on PS4.5 being like 1080p gaming on PS3 and thats limited to a handful of games.

Still doesn't mean they cant do above 1080p resolutions and then nifty upscaling to get to 4K for other games though.


And Xbox clearly could use a new box just to hit 1080.

 

[Sid]

why ?

Why not?

 

[DeepEnigma]

A PS4 can never run at native 120hz unless they change the GPU port from HDMI. HDMI is limited to 60hz. It would need to be Display port or DVI.

It will always need the reprojection from the VR headset unless that is changed.

Huh?

1.04b can support it through 3D processing, and 2.0 most definitely supports it for 3D and 2D. The TV/monitor and video card has to support it as well, but it can support it and is not 'limited' by the tech, just manufacturers have to have 2.0 support in the ports.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2113-hdmi-interface-questions-addressed-1080p-120hz

 

[DieH@rd]

A PS4 can never run at native 120hz unless they change the GPU port from HDMI. HDMI is limited to 60hz. It would need to be Display port or DVI.

Nope. HDMI 1.4 that PS4 has fully supports 1080p120 [scroll down to the table]. PS4 renders few VR games in native 120fps already.

 

[The Artisan]

Just because you are not the only one upset, doesn't justify anything though. No doubt everyone wants to have the best version possible ever, but on the other side of the pendulum, it means discouraging advancement. I have no idea why will you want to deprive yourself from playing and entertaining video games because of this petty reason.

advance for consoles comes 5-7 years. if you're looking for incremental advancement, that comes with PC gaming. and on the flipside, just because you're not the only one onboard, doesn't mean it's the best idea either.

 

[Deku Tree]

Day 1 for a PS4K!

 

[Wishmaster92]

I just wish zoetis would give us a little more info. My question is, how is it possible for a ps4 game (not counting indies) to output native 4k when $1500 dollar gpu's struggle? Some voodoo magic?

 

[The God]

I just wish zoetis would give us a little more info. My question is, how is it possible for a ps4 game (not counting indies) to output native 4k when $1500 dollar gpu's struggle? Some voodoo magic?

The answer is Zoetis is bullshitting

or Sony is about to release a very expensive system lmao

 

[NoctisVsStar]

The answer is Zoetis is bullshitting

or Sony is about to release a very expensive system lmao

Sony won't commit suicide, I rather believe Zoetis is Bs. I mean Sony is gonna release a 599 console.. Scratch that 799 console LOL