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Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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Fj0823 said:
For the audience, it's their introduction to the new Batman.

It will be for at least 80% of the people I know. They know jackshit about comics, but they all know about the no kill rule
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How do you think he was going to take care of Superman?

He was going to kill him. Can't leave a powerful being like that alive and captured.

StaticJam said:
Also to note the film literally never says a single thing about Batmans kills. There is no rule established, and it doesn't beat you over the head with "oh my god he killed him"
The rest of the movie carries on just as all of you getting hung up on it should.
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They probably won't even address it until his own solo movies, because that's definitely something Affleck would work well with
 
Fj0823 said:
You don't introduce a character by saying his moral code, a trademark of the character mind you, just "Comes and goes"....

If he started killing after shit goes down in his own movie, or even this movie, it would be way more palatable
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I wonder what the main conflict of a Red Hood movie would be if Batman is already broken so much he gave up on his rule.

He just going to take the gun Hood hands him an shoot Joker?
 
Fj0823 said:
For the audience, it's their introduction to the new Batman.

It will be for at least 80% of the people I know. They know jackshit about comics, but they all know about the no kill rule. It will be jarring
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The GA didn't seem to have a problem with Nolan or Burton's Batman killing, why should this be jarring all of a sudden?
 
Fj0823 said:
For the audience, it's their introduction to the new Batman.

It will be for at least 80% of the people I know. They know jackshit about comics, but they all know about the no kill rule. It will be jarring
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Oh come on, 80% of people won't give a shit. Sure they may think the movie is bad but it'll have nothing to do with Batman killing after 2 full series of it already happening.
 
Batman kills one on one and Supes kill inadvertently en masse. By the end they help each other realize their ways of killing aren't so cool and then they don't kill anymore yay.
 
So... how's Wonder Woman? Do those who've seen the film generally agree that Gadot is good? Does her role feel like an organic part of the main Superman/Batman/Lex storyline, or does she feel shoehorned in for the purposes of setting up her own film and Justice League?

On the latter point, how are the Flash/Aquaman/Cyborg cameos and the Knightmare sequence? How well do they fit into the overall flow of the film?
 
Father_Brain said:
So... how's Wonder Woman? Do those who've seen the film generally agree that Gadot is good? Does her role feel like an organic part of the main Superman/Batman/Lex storyline, or does she feel shoehorned in for the purposes of setting up her own film and Justice League?

On the latter point, how are the Flash/Aquaman/Cyborg cameos and the Knightmare sequence? How well do they fit into the overall flow of the film?
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Wonder Woman is good. She has -one- fight and it's the one you've seen in trailers. Gadot is good. Wonder Woman is mostly in the background, checking out all three. She has direct interaction with Bruce, mostly.

The cameos are ok. They're revealed via surveillance footage of their powers.

The Knightmare has a great one shot action set piece in it, but it's bad beyond that. It also has a what the fuck Flash cameo in it in some stupid ass armor
 
BronsonLee said:
This is a Batman that's had 20+ years of crimefighting under his belt. That rule has come and gone.

That's something I want to point out too; I sincerely doubt they're going to be following a linear timeline with this. I think Suicide Squad and the Batman movies are going to be before all of this.
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Well we already know Wonder Woman is well before all of this, so that's a possibility.
 
BronsonLee said:
Wonder Woman is good. She has -one- fight and it's the one you've seen in trailers. Gadot is good. Wonder Woman is mostly in the background, checking out all three. She has direct interaction with Bruce, mostly.

The cameos are ok. They're revealed via surveillance footage of their powers.

The Knightmare has a great one shot action set piece in it, but it's bad beyond that. It also has a what the fuck Flash cameo in it in some stupid ass armor
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How is the Knightmare sequence introduced? Do they transition elegantly into it?
 
The Knightmare thing seem like something from an earlier script that Snyder just hung on to cuz he thought it was a cool visual, to hell if it made any sense in the movie or develop any of the characters/themes further, and probably cut've been cut with little loss.
 
BronsonLee said:
Bruce steals info from Lex and has to decrypt it; it'll take a while. So he takes a Batnap.

I'm not lying.
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ViewtifulJC said:
The Knightmare thing seem like something from an earlier script that Snyder just hung on to cuz he thought it was a cool visual, to hell if it made any sense in the movie or develop any of the characters/themes further, and probably cut've been cut with little loss.
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It would have gone better with me and probably many others if it had occurred when Batman is holding the kryptonite spear to Superman, has his PTSD, sees the future, Flash tells him the stuff, and the movie resumes as normal.
Rand0m TAG said:
does doomsday evolve?
dont want to read through the whole thread and be overly spoiled on the movie.
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Yes
 
ViewtifulJC said:
The Knightmare thing seem like something from an earlier script that Snyder just hung on to cuz he thought it was a cool visual, to hell if it made any sense in the movie or develop any of the characters/themes further, and probably cut've been cut with little loss.
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Actually that seems likely. Devin Faraci had read a couple drafts of the script and had said that the Knightmare was in the original Goyer draft, and was gone from the Terrio draft from a few months before production he read, but got added back in between that draft and production.
 
Fj0823 said:
For the audience, it's their introduction to the new Batman.

It will be for at least 80% of the people I know. They know jackshit about comics, but they all know about the no kill rule. It will be jarring
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Only comic book readers know about that rule. Everybody else knows Batman from movies and there he always was a killer.
 
Sibersk Esto said:
Nolan Bats made a really big deal of a no kill rule.
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Yeah, it was even used in the dispatching of the main antagonists of all three films. In Begins he tells Ra's he won't kill him but that he won't save him either, in The Dark Knight it was used to show the main difference between The Joker and Bats and in Rises it was used as a punchline after Kyle killed Bane.
 
After sleeping on it, I don't think the movie made Luthor's motivations clear enough.

Did he want to kill Superman? Ok, then why not just sneak the kryptonite into the country (which he already did anyway, getting around the whole dealing with the senator, which was for some reason a big plot line in the movie) and make a kryptonite bullet then just trick Superman into coming to save Lois and shoot him with a gun and BAM he's dead.

Did he mainly want to humiliate Superman? That makes more sense given the plot, but then why not just stop after the bombing? Superman was hated by the public and ready to call it quits, but Luthor just egged him on by kidnapping Lois (again) and his mom and forcing him to face Bats.

Basically I think the plot was needlessly convoluted and it would have been better if it were a more direct adaptation of TDKR. But ultimately the real problem is that DC has not taken the time to properly build their world. They have their backs against the wall compared to the MCU and they pulled out their big guns too early in kind of a clunky way.
 
At times it felt like Lex wasn't even sure what he was doing. He honestly came across as schizophrenic, which was an interesting take on the character.
 
KonradLaw said:
Yeah, untill the end of first movie
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End? He blew up at least 30 members of the League of Shadows (ironically probably the farmer as well) which was like the first act. He killed Harvey Dent. The driver in TDKR and Talia. In BB he casually crashes a police car with the Tumblr (they are shown to be alive which is bullshit, and he certainly did not know).

''This isn't who Batman is'' is bullshit, he has been this way in movies AND in the comics. Same goes for Superman, they kill if they have to (and often even if they don't). Get over it.
 
INST said:
End? He blew up at least 30 members of the League of Shadows (ironically probably the farmer as well) which was like the first act. He killed Harvey Dent. The driver in TDKR and Talia. In BB he casually crashes a police car with the Tumblr (they are shown to be alive which is bullshit, and he certainly did not know).

''This isn't who Batman is'' is bullshit, he has been this way in movies AND in the comics. Same goes for Superman, they kill if they have to (and often even if they don't). Get over it.
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Yep, Batman's "one-rule" ends up often being more about avoiding acts of outright murder rather than manslaughter.
 
INST said:
End? He blew up at least 30 members of the League of Shadows (ironically probably the farmer as well) which was like the first act. He killed Harvey Dent. The driver in TDKR and Talia. In BB he casually crashes a police car with the Tumblr (they are shown to be alive which is bullshit, and he certainly did not know).

''This isn't who Batman is'' is bullshit, he has been this way in movies AND in the comics. Same goes for Superman, they kill if they have to (and often even if they don't). Get over it.
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*sometimes

The number of different comics and Batmen, any blanket statement when talking about comic book characters is pointless.
 
Confused by why anyone would be confused regarding movie batman and the depiction of the no kill rule. Baleman kills at least one person in every movie, keatonman kills many many people.

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Keatonman blew a guy up with dynamite and lit another guy on fire. Pretty brutal.
 
NealMcCauley said:
At times it felt like Lex wasn't even sure what he was doing. He honestly came across as schizophrenic, which was an interesting take on the character.
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Yeah, it seems like he sort of devolved to actual insanity over the course of the movie. I really didn't like where it left him at the end, I was getting Joker vibes, and that's kind of antithetical to Luthor's traditional character.
 
thecouncil said:
i have no worries about that flash armor suit being something i ever see again. i cant imagine they'd finalize a costume for his single bizarre scene in this movie. he's also, i assume, time traveling. and its hard to even see what's going on with his costume in that scene anyway.



well, she really doesn't do much, ill warn you. in costume, she poses a couple times. gives a couple smirks when doomsday smacks her down. holds his arms down with her lasso. (im not even so sure it shows her getting the lasso around him. its just there. maybe i blinked though. not sure.)
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AAAAAAAnd back to not being interested in the movie =_=
 
Fj0823 said:
I could live with that, but I was reading stuff about Batman re-directing a grenade to a bunch of guys a la Spiderman 3...

That ain't Batman

You don't introduce a character by saying his moral code, a trademark of the character mind you, just "Comes and goes"....

If he started killing after shit goes down in his own movie, or even this movie, it would be way more palatable
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Other best Batman says otherwise. :

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He even kills with a smile on his face!
 
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